Are we going with Deku just because Viral told us to? His incredibly forceful attitude (something I haven't seen from him in any mafia games I've played with him, at least to the extent he's currently showing) indicates that he's either an important PR with good information, or a Lyncher that's about to win the game for himself. Is there anyone in the context of Smash Bros that would make sense as a Lyncher/Lynchee?
No, not a PR, or lyncher. But you have no reason to believe that, I guess. Once Poka admitted he was scum yesterday during Twilight (or a little before), at that moment I knew Deku Nut was scum too. There are no night actions involved since I called for his lynch during Twilight of Day 3. I'm more than willing to take a mafia NK if it gives the rest of our PRs a better chance at hitting remaining scum tonight though, so that's no problem.
What seemed off was that it could have double meanings, as well as that face, that could be seen as a "shifty look". Anyway, I think it's okay for town to influence the cop and vig. A decision like that can be hard to make on your own, so if I was either I'd appreciate it. As for "calling out PRs" are you referring to yourself?
The best influence on the vig, or cop, or RB is a player who is the 2nd scummiest person, or someone who adamantly defended a mafioso, or the like. Suggesting that 'Black Kirby is kind of avoiding discussion so lets vig him,' or 'Lets vig/cop the people a town-lynch because it would be awesome if the vig and the cop both targeted the same player' is just plain bad play, especially when it looks like the vig is somewhat inexperienced with the role. As for the cop, I can't say but seeing as no one has come out so far claiming to be cop and found 2 mafia the past two nights, we can assume the cop is just as inexperienced and has been hitting townies.
@JC: You seem of the mind that Mafia would risk their neck for their RB on Day 2. Before they discovered the SK, before they discovered you have some sort of tracker watcher role thing. I can only see a mafia goon doing so. The rest of the mafia, if they all have PRs like strongman, or role cop, would be less inclined, from my own experience to jump in for a RBer, especially at a point in the game where they only know there is a mason, and vig (who has a penchant for townies at the moment).
There is no 99% sure that either me or Leslie is scum because we decided to vote Fig. There is only 'I believe I am 99% sure'.
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First off, the posts that just give me a bad feeling:
I sense a viggy Link, a masony Mario, and a scummy Biwser.
Sucks Koki and ALIT were kille though.
Yeah. Wario's laugh is "Wa-ha-ha", not "Bwa-ha-ha"
Seems to be pushy that 'Bahaha' is a bowser thing. Deku nut comments on very little
character based stuff, but always has something to say about what characters may be mafia.
Well, the night didn't turn out great, but it could be worse I guess. It looks like the SK was roleblocked. GDL, who did you target? That may have been it.
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Now I'm going to look at the character list. While I admit that Pit is the first character to come to mind, he may not be the only one with wings. It's worth checking out.
Ebwoqp: there's also Charizard, Falco, and Meta Knight with wings. It could be any one of those four. I'm thinking Falco myself, but I could be wrong.
The night turned out actually amazing. Only 1 vanilla townie dead... Second time he's said the 'Oh man, last night sucked' thing.
As for the RBer role, he clearly mentions Meta Knight, but goes for Falco instead. This is truly interesting.
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Anyway, onto the juicy bits.
Me and Pendio were the first two to vote for Poka yesterday.
Why? You gave no reasons. You didn't even vote for him yesterday. You voted for Music.
That would make sense. Probably a 1- or 2-shot.
You also didn't vote for Poka. You were on the Fig lynch. Why jump onto voting for him because of Pendio?
Here Dekunut calls me and Pendio out for voting Poka and putting him out in front at the start of the day.
Deku again, defending Poka:
I guess it's time to talk about what I think of Poka, isn't it?
First of all, that was a surprising turn of events yesterday evening, with the Fig lynch and all. I'm still not sure of Draco's input there, but that's something for tomorrow.
Here are the votes for Poka yesterday and their reasons:
Fused: Didn't respond to previous pressure (NOTE: Pressure Vote)
JC: Going with the flow; JC doesn't want to vote for Music (who claimed)
Fig: Vague on reasoning for vote on Fig; Previous vote on Music
He only got three votes yesterday. You guys say that Fused was spearheading his lynch, but only voted him for pressure. That was the last time he posted anything that had to do with the game after; he had one post after that, which was asking about Draco's name change. Therefore, Fused didn't have any real suspicion on Poka. Killing him could've easily been the mafia killing the first person to vote for him in order to frame him. Moving on.
JC's vote actually had some reasoning behind it. He argued that Poka just went with the flow. Gummy brought it up both yesterday and today, and we can see why he did that. I still think that Fig was not "going with the flow", as Poka was the first vote, but that's beside the point. Also, JC thought of it as either Poka or Music. Currently, both are still alive.
Fig only voted for him because Poka's reasons for voting for him were vague. I didn't find that post, so I can't say anything about that. However, his vote for Music remains scummy in my mind.
Mezlo also considered voting him, but once again preferred the idea of Poka because MF, the alternative, softclaimed.
Today's votes on Poka:
Pendio: Watch reactions (Unvoted)
Viral: Because Pendio voted for him
JC: See above reasons; last-minute lynch avoidance; Fused died after Poka vote
Kirby: No other worthy votes
In other words, while yesterday's votes had substance, most of today's were just kind of thrown out there.
Overall? I don't see enough reasoning for me to vote for him, though I can see some slight suspicion. I'm not sure who to vote for right now... I'm keeping it to myself for a little bit longer. Any questions?
Note how he tries to invalidate everyone's vote on Poka... When Heroine calls out Deku's analysis, Deku goes as far as IGMOEYing Poka. That's it...
Here's Poka's scum list, and town list:
Suspicions:
1. Probably Viral at this point the way you've been acting seems so flip floppy and passive.
2. BlackKirby, even more covert then Viral, and has contributed a lot less then Viral, he also had been following bandwagons a lot.
3. JC, this is mostly a gut feeling, the way he says things like "PokaLink always follows others" when as others have pointed out I have been actively thinking for myself. He makes assumptions and doesn't seem to listen to anyone else, again this is mostly a gut-feeling, I don't have much to back this up (Partially because i'm to lazy to go back and read) but you asked me what my suspicions were.
4. Musicfan if only a little has been kinda of weird, in fact yesterday I had full intention to switch my vote to MF so I wouldn't die, but since for some reason the Fig bandwagon took of I had no reason to. We still don't know if the commuter is in this game, but it would make sense if they didn't want to claim, because if they did mafia could rally for his/her lynch, or use some kind of night ability.
5. Kirino, IDK about this one, he acted brash last night, but I've done the same, so who am I to judge, hes also been a little inactive also.
6. To add to 5 all of the players who have been mostly inactive have just as of a good chance of being Mafia as I do, in fact probably more, since we have so many Mafia we should really start drilling the inactives.
Who I think are most likely townies:
HoT, LG, Pendio, and Dekunut so far those four have actively contributed to this game, have analysed the game and every persons actions, and most of all have been extremely active.
He throws a lot of names out there, including LG who was town, but what stands out the most is that his most active defender, Deku Nut, is on his town list. At this point Deku however has actively stopped defending Poka after Heroine poked some holes into his analysis (the previous quote).
Deku Nut was initially very vocal about questioning the legitemacy of MF's commuter claim which I will post below the next quote, but here, however, he takes Poka terrible fake claim at face value, and immediately votes for JC.
Well, it is the last day. While I haven't been talking too much about JC, he seems more suspicious to me than Poka right now. And, with his claim, I think it may be a good idea to keep Poka around a little longer. I'll be doing more research into this role though.
Vote: JC
He seems to be getting more and more desperate with each post, and people keep disproving many of his arguments. If we have to have a lynch, he's my choice.
Below are his reactions to MF's claim:
More likely the Mafia will try to lynch the commuter. It would be more efficient and they wouldn't need to waste the NK to check if it's an odd-night or every-night commuter.
Here he is trying to shed doubt on MF early on, before most of us were convinced MF was/is commuter.
Yknow, Commuter is an easy role to claim at this point, as it's all but confirmed. I'm not saying that he's lying, but don't automatically assume.
And the character soft claim goes for the same. Jamie thought up these pairings, so it's not impossible for someone else to come up with a believable one.
If you were soft claiming commuter, then it wasn't a good one. "Slow" is not a way most people would hint towards that role.
Not once does he pressure MF (as far as I've seen). He just tries to sow doubt, and then when most players say they believe MF, he moves on.
There a bit more there, but I'm getting tired. Note as well how Deku Nut has been trying to grasp at roles too. Asking JC about his role, asking me if I had a PR, as if I'm some sort of day cop that got a guilty result on him before last night.
Once Poka flipped scum, the obvious next choice is Deku nut, not because they played closely, but because how they seemed so distance and yet so close to each other during the last few days, and how quickly they acted to defend each other.
That is why I am voting Deku Nut. This isn't some power role based bull****, with me saying 'trust me guis'. This is me looking back and saying Deku nut is our best bet. I'm like 80-90% sure.
tl;dr: vote Deku Nut because walls of text.