I really really doubt Pendio would go ahead and confirm the existence of a cult when it would be most beneficial to him to hide it. I don't recall him ever hinting that a cult existed the time he was Cult Leader (LotR?). Also, I highly doubt that Repentance would have came out and immediately supported his new leader if he was recruited
Day 1 Final Vote Tally:
Thareous (1) - A Link In Time
goomboo (7) - Thareous, Sadia, fused_shadows, Justac00lguy, Kokirion, Repentance, Fig
Kokirion (1) - PokaLink
fused_shadows (5) - Deku Shroom, musicfan, Heroine of Time, goomboo, DekuNut
Deku Shroom (1) - Blackkirby
Blackkirby (1) - Stitch
Stitch (1) - Peachy
Repentance (1) - 43ForceGems
Heroine of Time (1) - LittleScumball
PokaLink (1) - Pendio
Mezlo and his vote count mistakes (1) - Sadia
She allowed herself to be a huge factor in Goomboo's lynch; a simple unvote would have saved goomboo and myself, keeping two townies alive.
Also, I would also like to hear from everyone that Sadia mentioned, as well as Kokirion and PokaLink. Who do you think we lynch today, and why?
First of all, there is no such thing as a Mega Clefable (why you said this I don't know). I don't see how Ditto is able to transform into a Mega-Evolved Clefable (which again doesn't exist) as Ditto can't Mega Evolve even if you give him a Mega Stone. He could transform into a Mega-Evolved Pokemon in the games when a Pokemon Mega Evolves but by that point Ditto will be low on health be knocked out considering how Ditto is not the most vital Pokemon in battles, but based on the context of the Day 1 lynch scene, Clefable was holding a Moon Stone, an item that associated with Clefable and is needed for a Clefairy to evolve into a Clefable.
I get the feeling that you are trying to declare your innocence by sort of tying yourself to an already conformed (and dead) Townie. The way you worded this just feels suspicious to me. Also, you say that an Unvote by Sadia would have saved both goomboo and yourself, well, looking back at the final vote tally goomboo had two more votes than you did, which means that even if Sadia would have just Unvoted, gomboo woulf still have gotten lynched. So this particular accusation does not really old much water.
I'm sorry that I've been kinda inactive lately, summer's ending and I have a lot to stress about.
A safe target for me would be Fig, and if Fig flips mafia we might want to investigate Fused, considering Fig's vote could have saved Fused. Kinda like in SSBB Mafia were Kirino saved me and sealed someone else's (I think it was Fig's?) Fate.
Fig (1)
Peachy (2)
A Link In Time (1)
Heroine of Time (2)
43ForceGems (1)
Blackkirby (1)
Kokirion (1)
Deku Shroom (1)
Thareous (1)
I'm sorry that I've been kinda inactive lately, summer's ending and I have a lot to stress about.
A safe target for me would be Fig, and if Fig flips mafia we might want to investigate Fused, considering Fig's vote could have saved Fused. Kinda like in SSBB Mafia were Kirino saved me and sealed someone else's (I think it was Fig's?) Fate.
Alrighty let's jump into this a bit. I don't really know how to quote properly, but I'll do my best, and at the least give page numbers where the quotes come from. I found one thing kind of curious about Fused in the first day. If you look at posts, Fused has 4 separate posts within the first day on questions of who would be what from the Pokemon series, and at first this could be seen as a general kind of "I don't know", but it became recurring and I took it as a way to lay a sense of naivety. The role PM should give some insight to some of the Pokemon world, and a quick Google search clears up a lot of the questions asked. A 5th question was also apart of another post of Fused in the current day, day 2, and I should mention that the questions within the first day were the entirety of the post. Again, I see this as a way to do a cloak of innocence, and I feel that if Fused is as good as people claim him to be, then these posts served an extra purpose besides figuring out the Pokemon universe.
On page 16 you can see where Fused brings up the idea of a No Lynch, and to me a No Lynch almost always hurts town instead of helping, ESPECIALLY on day 1 when we have little to no information anyways. A lynch can be wrong, but at the same time you can at least observe voting habits and work off of said lynch. Night kills alone are hard to work with because there's usually little to no visible or reliable evidence. How can I work off of a night kill when I can't see who even tried to vote for what? It seems odd at the least, and as I've said, the way I learned to play: you almost NEED the first day lynch.
On page 19 the following is said by Fused: "As for musicfan, I think the reason the mafia killed him is because of his tendency to roleclaim early in games; the mafia knew the game was role-madness based on their roles (They more than likely have some pretty serious PRs), and thus decided to get rid of musicfan before he caused them problems. I think it’s safe to say that we have a pretty heads-up group of mafia members." and the mention of the "ritual of ALIT being night killed night 1" is also brought up. Why bring these up? They're odd yes, but wouldn't a strategic player play off of said things? Would it be wrong to think that bringing up said things and how they're oddly not following said trend be sort of a gate way of some misguiding evidence? Why wouldn't Fused be the one to make these happen? "ALIT always night killed on night 1? Not this time! Let's use this to point a finger at ALIT!" That seems rather strategic to me, and Fused has quite a rep.
Fused also avoided a lynch day 1, and it was a little bit late on the day to have been saved for me to not at least have my interest peaked. I agree with what Pendio says on the matter: "As we can clearly see, goomboo and fused were the two players with the most votes, and goomboo did only have a few votes more on him than fused did. Now, looking back at basically any past Mafia game, lynching scum on day 1 is virtually an impossibility simply because of how easily the Mafia is able to make "random" votes for Townies and even in some cases manipulate the voting of other players on the first day. My point is that fused could very possibly be a Mafioso who was very close to getting lynched, but since the Mafia could save him, they did (by voting for gomboo or by making other players vote for goomboo)." (page 24 for reference). The underlined portion basically states what I had in mind. Fused was gonna get lynched, and then out of the blue all of these votes go on Goomboo with the justification of "hey, he's inexperienced and we gotta keep Fused", but again, roles change game to game. You could be saving a skilled town, but also a skilled mafia, so I don't think it's really justifiable as an excuse to some people and I feel as if there was some more going on there behind the scenes.
Generally, I'd agree with you in that Day 1 lynches are usually fruitful. However, I disagree in voting for someone using random.org simply because you need to lynch someone Day 1. That's what happened during this Day 1; people just randomly selected me, and then goomboo. Where did that get us? We lost the Town Redirector. Sure, we got some leads from the voting, but nothing huge. Was it worth it? I'm not too sure myself./QUOTE]
The loss sucked due to losing a Townie, but you have to lose players in this game to progress. No one wants to be killed, but I mean the process of some one being killed gives us more information to build off of.
After I read all lynch/night scenes, I make notes on what happened, why it happened, and what didn't happen. Of all the notations I made, I found those two about musicfan and ALIT the most important. I always like to try and figure out why the mafia killed who, because it could help me identify them through their line of thinking, which I can match up with other games. Am I scum for posting a hypothesis on why musicfan was killed?
I never said that we should use the fact that ALIT didn't die as a reason to "point the finger at him". All I said was that it's noteworthy. That's it. I never once said that we should lynch him, or even consider lynching him. I'm not scum for pointing this stuff out.
The way that these were laid out though could serve as a misdirection for other players, and a tool for scum to abuse in order to misdirect other players. You pointed out these sort of rituals in other games, so it puts more of a focus on ALIT, and could be used later down the road. Since you pointed these out, and because they're common place, you can use these to shift focus to others, while keeping focus off of yourself or whichever other player.
I'm not specifically saying you're scum, but as of now you hold the highest suspicion on my list.
Well, you're trying to judge me based on the actions of other players. If what you claim is true, that I'm scum and some of the people who voted for goomboo are my scumbuds, why would I go through the ENTIRE bandwagon, and throughly analyze every vote on the wagon? Aren't I essentially burying my team? Wouldn't it have been smarter for me to let someone else do that, or hope that no one bothers to look at the wagon?
Not necessarily. It'd be uncommon in mafia for all mafia players to change their votes to protect a member. In fact, I'd say it's safe to say that not all members were within this bandwagon, and maybe only one to two members would have had to throw in a vote to save you, while convincing others. Breaking down the band wagon can also keep suspicions off yourself, while throwing in mild fingers at potential scum and other players who you could keep balance on. Basically, if you are scum, and the votes were shifted, I would bet that maybe one other member or so jumped in to save you while the others were dormant in another voting position. It's smarter to do it yourself; because who expects the person to break down things such as that to be scum? It's tactical, which you're known to be here on the forums.
I've not seen how everyone else reacts in other games, so this is mostly speculation, but it's what I'm going off of for now.![]()
Ironically this is coming from the person who 1. Was scum in the Super Smash Bros. game that is still going, 2. Started the bangwagon against me, 3. Used very vague and nonsensical reasons to justify that he was town (I'm sorry but you are in the wrong. You said I was inactive for the entire Mafia Day yet I was only inactive for a few hours at best unlike you who just posts once and then leaves until who knows how long you return), 4. Used the "oh Player X has suspicions on me therefore he's scum because I'm totally not. Trust me guys" logic when bandwagoning against me and later Gumball (which I predicted would happen and thus you led to your own demise) and 5. Kept trying to seem town even your logic was severely vague. Not to mention Kirino was also mafia (and I'm glad he's dead because he dug his grave for doing so) and used the "It was a 50/50 chance but I thought Fig was more scummier than Pokalink" reasoning. Obviously Kirino would not think to kill his scum buddy so lynching me was his "only" option. Not to mention, it was a tie between you and me in that game and Kirino's vote saved you. That's how a vote is saved not because someone had an extra vote and another vote was added to him/her and still resulted in a lynch. It's because of your reasonings why you and Kirino are now dead in the game because of poor logic. Call me blunt or rude, but that's the truth, it was their actions that made them dead not mine, I was simply trying to prove why such logic wouldn't work but no one believed me so I got killed for it. I don't think we should take Poka's thoughts into consideration considering this is now the second time (in a row) that the first person that Poka considered scum was me.
Yeh... Because I was scum that game and I didn't want to die lol (It would have worked to if JC wouldn't of spoiled my fun!)
Don't get too jumpy though, I only said that because Fused asked, and I respect her enough to answer. I'm sure if I dig a little harder I could find a better target but I have a lot of things stressing me out and distracting me from this game, I thought about dropping out,but I really like this games theme and I don't want to quit it.