With Tristan flipping town, I don't think ALIT is scummy for strongly defending him and for going after the people on his wagon. To me, scum would be less likely to strongly defend Tristan and more likely to slightly defend him to lay low and gain some town cred from it. And it makes sense to me to look into the Tristan band wagon after he flipped town, since there's a decent chance there's at least one scum on it. I actually think your reasoning for Sadia seems more scummy than your reason for ALIT.
then what about ALIT himself? Wouldn't it, according to your way of reasoning, be even less likely that scum would then actively target a townie on day 1? What is the sense of hunting after the people on that bandwagon? The only reason he gave for finding my choice for the lynch suspicious at the time was te timing of my vote. But, if 4 people vote, will there not always be a 3rd and 4th person on the bandwagon, regardless of whether they are town or scum? And to go through that again, because I think this whole debate on that action is ridiculous, why is every vote necessarily "suspicious" if it is not casted quickly and instantly? A vote is a strategic means, that should be used to achieve a goal. I mentioned clearly at the time that I found Tristan's post scummy, but that that alone was weak reasoning for a lynch.After that, because I live in a different time-zone than most people in this game, I went to bed and woke up with 3 r more pages of text. In the meantime, some people had voted for Tristan but more importantly, some people had ALSO voted for All Might. I found Tristan a better target for 2 reasons: 1) Tristan's post was scummy whereas All Might had not yet done anything scummy at the time. 2) there were a bunch of people defending Tristan,finding information about Tristan's alignment could also tell a great deal about others around him. And even though I disagree with the reasons why, the fact that we have been able to talk a lot about players such as myself is because of what we learned from Tristan's death. In that light, he has been a fine day 1 lynch, a good choice. Which was exactly why I prefered to lynch him over lynching All Might at the time.
So you agreed that Tristan should've responded more defensively to the 3 rvs votes on him? Despite town reading All Might now I still think that was really weak reasoning and didn't make much sense. I think scum could easily sheep All Might for his reasoning on Tristan because he was doing most of the pushing and looks townie for it now.
I found Tristan's post easy, refusing to fight back because he considered himself an easy target. It was like SMS when he said that he did not have an opinion about Sadia because has not often played with her before (I mean, naturally an opinion may have been more accurate if you know more about that person, but you still must have an opinion, right?), it was such an easy way out.
What exactly would you say looks townie about Sadia's day 1 posts? I've never played with her before, so I don't know what her usual play looks like.
I played a lot of games with her and we clashed a lot. Because of that, I spent a lot of time analysing her playstyle in the past. Normally, if she is town, she kind of plays like this: she is careful, clueless and a bit chaotic at the beginning. She is incredibly good at picking up small details, though, and when she finds something she instantly ties all the red dots together. Her careful balancing between Tristan and All Might, her always-present suspicion of me (by in the end choosing for voting All Might instead of Tristan despite my lobbying) etc. is just really typical for her town play. Her last threat WAS suspicious, but it was just one post whereas the rest of her posts screamed town to me. I consider her the best scumhunter at ZD, and if she IS town I would not want to waste that. Not without allowing her to show a bit more, instead of lynching her before she has said a single word in her defence.
It's kinda weird to me you're focusing on ALIT over the other people who said they would focus on Tristan's wagon. Mostly because you seem to not be scum reading Sadia from that yet, and said you need more activity from her today to get a better read on her. But you're scum reading ALIT for it, while saying you've liked his activity from today.
yes, I like his activity. And I also acknowledge(d) that my suspicions against him are WIFOM material. they're not conclusive. Hence, I won't vote for him. Not today. I think there are bigger fish to catch.
Possibly I’m losing my mind, but didn’t you find Kirino suspicious before? What changed?
I never did.
Do you really have to be that convinced in order to vote someone? Out of your four suspects who are you going to vote?
that depends on the situation. I will elaborate on my to-be-vote below.
Hmm, I'll take SMS's claim to be true if there is no counter claim.
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Vote: kokirion
I still do not trust koki after his statement about thinking Tristan, funnier, and I were a scum team. And his scum list is all people who I think are mostly town. Rubik and YIGA are the only two uncertains for me there. I think Rubik is more likely just a tunneling townie in this situation, though.
I still want to know whether or not there is a lightning rod, but I decided to target koki myself last night as I thought there was a pretty good chance he would be the one doing the factional kill as mafia if he were one as he maintained a pretty low profile yesterday but still stood out to me as a possible suspect. If there isn't some kind of redirect in place, I feel pretty confident I tampered with his kill. All Might saying I targeted funnier is bizarre, but perhaps it was kokirion who was redirected, and I followed him because I used my action on him originally. I wanted to hold off with saying this, but it's also another reason why I suspect Kirino as he seems pretty cozy with koki right now.
The reason for the reversal between my reads of ALIT and kokirion is based on the information provided by All Might and others: Flora is apparently the lightning rod, and was targeted by ALIT, Kokirion, All Might, and SMS. All Might and SMS are essentially cleared, leaving the Mafia factional kill to have likely been carried out by either ALIT or kokirion: out of these two, ALIT has lightly softclaimed twice and has shown interest in this turn of events, including asking for more information; by contrast, kokirion has largely ignored all of the softclaims and roleclaim in the past few pages, perhaps because he sees it as a threat to him.
What I don't like about the accusations against me is that they all rely on simplistic or even misleading assumptions:
1) would I truly put myself in a position in the bandwagon that I usually use as a sign to hunt scum in other games if I were truly scum and be trying to hide my tracks?
2) would I be so obvious to buddy with my "scummate" Kirino (as he mentioned in the post below)?
3) would I be so naive to make a kill myself if I were part of the mafia (ALIT mentions that. I suppose he assumes that the mafia can choose who to send? Which is not always the case. How do you know about that information?)? I would never make the kill myself unless I had no other choice. I am well aware that there are several old friends of me in this game (like Sadia, All Might, ALIT, and more) of whom I'd bet have a high chance of targeting me for "something" early in the game. It would be quite risky, wouldn't it? Now, if some other mafia member could also perform the kill, wouldn't that be the natural choice?
4) Several people now accuse me due to All Might's soft claim. He found that several people were active through the night, and some of these have now been proven to be more likely town-than-scum (like SMS). But, as I quoted below, All Might mentioned that 7 people were active. Though some people read his post well, People misinterpreted his texts and keep assuming there were only 4.
5) the 7 people were only the ones who were active during the night, not necessarily all the people with power roles. Heck, we don't even know if the mafia was active last night.
6) remember that this is a game of rolemadness. Everyone is assuming the power roles to be the standard ones. Considering that there is a high chance we truly have a lightning rod in the game, there are arguably more strange roles. e.g. what if the mafia has a poisoner? In that case, no one prevented the mafia's target from dying last night, the kill will only follow a bit later.
7) ALIT finds me suspicious partially because he (according to his soft claim) "prevented" me from doing anything meaningful last night. BUT, if there was a lightning rod at play, ALL our actions would have redirected to Flora,
including ALIT's "block". All kills and blocks and heals would have hit Flora and cancelled each other out. Whatever anyone may have supposedly done to my action would have had no effect and is not a solid base for an accusation.
Do you think I would associate with him so openly if I were scum? I can't help but find your reasoning overly simplistic. I understand that my current reads seem like an attempt to distance myself, but knowing how suspicious that would look right after being suspected for my connection to him, why would I do that either?
Yes, there are others. Seven in total, in fact (not counting myself). I'm certain that at least one of them is Mafia.
