Game Thread Breath of the Wild Mafia

[Ronin]

I’m about to go to sleep but, she said or implied that it was her who attracted all the night actions so the list of people you got is the list of people who targeted somebody but were all redirected to her, not me. (At least I think that’s what she said, remember kids, something something drugs sleep)

Hm, yeah I guess if you put it that way then it'd make sense.

Alright. But please get back to me on this before the end of Saturday as I may have important information to share depending on your response.

Yes, there are others. Seven in total, in fact (not counting myself). I'm certain that at least one of them is Mafia.

I'm the Cop.

Seriously, why claim?

Though there is an elephant in the room we need to address, and as much as kokirion hates it, it needs to be done. We agree that the Lightning Rod attracts all night actions to it correct? All Might "watched" funnier last night, and SMS "cop checked" me last night. Two night actions on two different people shouldn't have been possible.

The results didn't specify who was targeted, just that a certain number of people were watched.

 

[Ronin]

Something else catches my interest: All Might also asked ALIT and Koki if they targeted funnier last night, with both saying no. Presumably, both of them actually targeted Flora, the lightning rod, with All Might merely thinking that they targeted funnier. It's interesting that All Might only asked these two, though, while refusing to say if any others targeted the one he watched, because if there weren't any others, it would mean that someone is lying. Despite his previous reticence, I think it's important that @All Might answer this, at least by the end of the day. It would also help determine who among those targeting Flora is scum.

Good observation. So, did you happen to target funnier?

 

[Rubik]

Sigh.



I voted for All Might because someone was forcing a sudden tie between the two of them that looked like an attempt to save All Might from getting killed, which is more likely to be scum motivated than town motivated. I switched my vote after the fact.

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@All Might how many people did your ability register targeting Funnier?

 

[Rubik]

Yes, there are others. Seven in total, in fact (not counting myself). I'm certain that at least one of them is Mafia.

This seems like a pretty easy way to roughly confirm 5-6 players as town.

 

[funnier6]

@funnier6 kokirion included me, you, and Tristan in that scum team theory, not Kirino. Anyhow, it's not that Kirino was on the Tristan wagon, but that he focused almost all of his attention there while barely mentioning anyone else. So it's not the what he did but how he did it. He mentioned he found me suspicious yesterday as well, but his narrow focus yesterday definitely raised an eyebrow. Today he's taking a broader opinion and saying Flora, Sadia, and I are suspicious for defending Tristan and voting people on his wagon, which I think is an improvement, but I'm not sure about his read as I town read Sadia yesterday for her explanation of why she didn't want to vote Tristan and just her general thought process and Flora is trending up for me today.

I see. Did you play with Sadia a long time ago? Could you tell me what you generally expect town/scum Sadia to be like? I’m getting differing opinions and I’m not quite sure which is more accurate.

Hmm, I'll take SMS's claim to be true if there is no counter claim.

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Vote: kokirion

I still do not trust koki after his statement about thinking Tristan, funnier, and I were a scum team. And his scum list is all people who I think are mostly town. Rubik and YIGA are the only two uncertains for me there. I think Rubik is more likely just a tunneling townie in this situation, though.

What makes you change to kokirion after you originally Kirino? I realize you’re scum reading both but I’m curious why you changed your mind. You may have said so already but my mind isn’t very focused today.

Also, if your reads disagree with kokirions why not argue your point of view to him? Or make him elaborate so you can see his? Just because your reads are different doesn’t mean much if you don’t understand why each other is reading someone a certain way.

I still want to know whether or not there is a lightning rod, but I decided to target koki myself last night as I thought there was a pretty good chance he would be the one doing the factional kill as mafia if he were one as he maintained a pretty low profile yesterday but still stood out to me as a possible suspect. If there isn't some kind of redirect in place, I feel pretty confident I tampered with his kill. All Might saying I targeted funnier is bizarre, but perhaps it was kokirion who was redirected, and I followed him because I used my action on him originally. I wanted to hold off with saying this, but it's also another reason why I suspect Kirino as he seems pretty cozy with koki right now.

It’s basically confirmed that there is a lightning rod since clearly you and all might targeted different people and yet he saw you anyway.

Also I see what you’re softing and since it’s not AI in any way it doesn’t help my read of you at all, except that lynching you actually sounds like a better idea now lol. Could you elaborate on the koki Kirino thing? I hadn’t really noticed any buddying between them.

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Vote: Sadia

If Sadia flips town, then it'd be more likely that ALIT is scum, and if ALIT is town, it'd be more likely that Sadia is scum. If koki flips town, then it'd be likely that ALIT is scum, and if ALIT is town, it'd be more likely that koki is scum. Killing any of these players, therefore, would result in important information.

You too, have you played with Sadia before? Do you have an idea what her usual playstyle is? Admittedly I don’t quite follow why lynching her has such an impact on ALITs alignment but if you really think so I might go for it.

Town: All Might, Flora, SMS, funnier, ALIT

I don’t see any reason for ALIT to be there quite yet, especially considering he and kokirion are the two unclaimed that All Might saw and depending on who the others he saw are it’s almost guaranteed at least one of them is scum.

@Rubik I want to hear your thoughts on everything.

All Might Flora and SMS are practically confirmed in my book, leaning town on Minish, I want to town lean Rubik and Kirino but tbh I’m not sure if I know enough to read them accurately.

Yiga, Pancake, and Sadia I need more posts from.

Right now I could go for a ALIT lynch or a kokirion lynch based on how they’ve played so far and maybe Sadia if anyone can convince me this is more scum Sadia.

This is a super blah reads list but if you’d like details ask away.

I'm certain that at least one of them is Mafia.

Yeah that’s a pretty safe bet lol. You probably can’t give the list without claiming, so I guess find a way to be subtle about it?

 

[A Link In Time]

@Kirino I'm not sure if you would associate so openly, so your response gives me pause. But, yes, I do feel pretty certain kokirion is a mafia member in light of what Al Might claimed as well as my own thoughts on kokirion and how he's played which led me to target him last night. By process of elimination, kokirion must have done the night kill last night for mafia.

 

[Rubik]

So, from what I understand, Flora is the lightning rod, All Might is the watcher, and SMS is the cop. All Might claimed to have watched funnier, though, and SMS to have investigated Flora; the former wouldn't make sense considering that all night actions are redirected to Flora, but the most likely explanation of this is that players with night abilities aren't informed of the redirection of their targets, such that All Might actually targeted Flora, but still thought he targeted funnier.

Last Night's actions:
1. Flora - Lightning Rod
2. All Might - Watcher
3. SMS - Cop
4. ??? - Protective role
5. ???
6. ???
7. Mafia Nightkill

It's unlikely that this weird lightning rod thing didn't happen because it would mean both Flora and All Might were lying. SMS's cop claim can't be confirmed, but it does strengthen Flora's claim marginally.

We've already lost a PR in the form of a bodyguard, so it's likely that there's at least 1 anti-town pr going on, if not two.

 

[Rubik]

I guess ALiT is claiming to have some form of a roleblock, which is generally a more scum-sided ability than a town-sided one.

This seems like a pretty town-sided setup to me so far. We could probably break the game pretty easily by using All Might's list of targets. It would put the doctor at risk of NK, though.

 

[Ronin]

TOWN PRs: No more claiming. If this game is going to get broken by claims, then I'll vote for you myself.

@Kirino I'm not sure if you would associate so openly, so your response gives me pause. But, yes, I do feel pretty certain kokirion is a mafia member in light of what Al Might claimed as well as my own thoughts on kokirion and how he's played which led me to target him last night. By process of elimination, kokirion must have done the night kill last night for mafia.

Don't you have some super-duper important information to share with me?

 

[funnier6]

Seven in total, in fact (not counting myself)

This seems like a pretty easy way to roughly confirm 5-6 players as town.

Might be a bit tougher than that, typically in a game like this the mafia would have a role cop, a role blocker, and a godfather, so it’s possible three of those people are mafia and one is probably an SK. Given previous games I think that’s probably what we’re dealing with.

By process of elimination, kokirion must have done the night kill last night for mafia.

If you yourself are town then yeah, but you forget the four to take into account the four other people all might saw.

Last Night's actions:
1. Flora - Lightning Rod
2. All Might - Watcher
3. SMS - Cop
4. ??? - Protective role
5. ???
6. ???
7. Mafia Nightkill

Mkay I’ll agree on 1-4 but you forget all might saw seven other people targeting flora so you’re missing some question marks.

My idea for last nights actions:
1. Flora - Lightning Rod
2. All Might - Watcher
3. SMS - Cop
4. ??? - Protective role
5. ???
6. ??? - SK
7. ??? - possible mafia role block
8. ??? - possible mafia role cop
9 Mafia night kill

Kokirion fits on there somewhere, that’s All Might, flora, plus the seven people All Might saw. ALIT is most likely number 5 or number 7.

Also Rubik, I don’t think you ever answered that question I asked you about ALIT?

 

[Kirino]

Yes, there are others. Seven in total, in fact (not counting myself). I'm certain that at least one of them is Mafia.

Do you mean that seven people in total targeted Flora (besides you), or that seven others besides the ones you already mentioned did, such that the toal is 9? It seems to me that you meant the former, but funnier thinks you meant the latter, so it'd be nice to clarify before discussing it further.

Good observation. So, did you happen to target funnier?

No, although if your watching ability was redirected to Flora anyway, I'm not sure why asking about funnier in particular is relevant.

You too, have you played with Sadia before? Do you have an idea what her usual playstyle is? Admittedly I don’t quite follow why lynching her has such an impact on ALITs alignment but if you really think so I might go for it.

I have, but it's been so long that I don't remember too much about her playstyle. I'll look back at my previous games with her and get back to you, though. As for her connection with ALIT, I gave my reasoning previously: she, Flora, and ALIT all defended Tristan Day 1 and then went on to accuse those who suspected him, something I believe is a Mafia move, such that I'm confident that at least one among them is scum. Since Flora is essentially confirmed, it's between Sadia and ALIT, with the town flip of one making the scum flip of the other more likely, in my opinion.

I don’t see any reason for ALIT to be there quite yet, especially considering he and kokirion are the two unclaimed that All Might saw and depending on who the others he saw are it’s almost guaranteed at least one of them is scum.

I acknowledged this fact, and gave my reasoning in my previous post right below my read list.

I guess ALiT is claiming to have some form of a roleblock, which is generally a more scum-sided ability than a town-sided one.

This seems like a pretty town-sided setup to me so far. We could probably break the game pretty easily by using All Might's list of targets. It would put the doctor at risk of NK, though.

It's possible that ALIT is the Mafia roleblocker, but unless he could rule out the possibility of a town roleblocker, he's liable to be counterclaimed, so I doubt it.

 

[Rubik]

Oh, I misread what he said pretty hard.

9 targets sweet Jesus.

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I remember I asked you for thoughts and I feel like you gave them but I went back and didn’t see any so if you did feel free to quote but, I’d this vote for what alit has said before your last vote or after?

The end of this question doesn't parse in the English language.

 

[Rubik]

I'd guess he means 8 targets when he says "7 in total, in fact (not counting myself)"

 

[funnier6]

Do you mean that seven people in total targeted Flora (besides you), or that seven others besides the ones you already mentioned did, such that the toal is 9? It seems to me that you meant the former, but funnier thinks you meant the latter, so it'd be nice to clarify before discussing it further.

I’m going to quote more of your post, but I wanted to point out that the total on my list is nine because seven people besides all might targeted flora and all might and she herself are included on the list.

Oh, I misread what he said pretty hard.

9 targets sweet Jesus.

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The end of this question doesn't parse in the English language.

Is keeps getting autocorrected to I’d. T_T

Is your vote on alit for something he said yesterday or something he said today?

 

[A Link In Time]

TOWN PRs: No more claiming. If this game is going to get broken by claims, then I'll vote for you myself.

Don't you have some super-duper important information to share with me?

I'm not sure what you mean. I targeted kokirion last night, yet you said I was on funnier so idk. I used my ability on what I believe to be the mafia night kill.