My vote does have reason, for the same as everyone else voting for Axle and that by my judging Bay is innocent so Axle voting for her makes him seem suspicious. I have been a bit busy with my Secret Santa gift so I have been inactive for a few days but I do have reasons I'm just not very good at this game tbh. But I play and try to improve but I stand by my decision.
You assessment Bay's innocence is not an automatic count towards me being Mafia, since any Townie at any time could make an opposite assessment from you. It would be a good point to use as perspective if you have OTHER reasons to suspect me though. As it stands, it sounds like your reasons are insubstantial.
There's also the fact that it was Jo who accused me initially. I had no quarrel with aside from my personal defenses of my attitude. The rest came when she refused to address any point I made in my defense and manipulated the conversation by effectively acting like my posts don't exist. That's incredibly sneaky and underhanded behavior, and that is the sole reason I began to target her. Anyone who can't back up their vote is suspicious, but someone who tries to hide things surrounding their vote is far worse.
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How many times have I said that any mistake I have made so far have been "newbie" mistakes and not mafia strategies. Even though everyone's bandwagoning and it seems that Axle's about to be lynched, I still feel that I need to defend myself on this. I didn't try to mislead you guys by saying that their were four mafia. And if that is so obviously wrong, why would I have tried to push that idea on you guys, when it was such a bad move that it got me three votes on the same post? (OMG, it seems like all I do on this thread is defend myself xD)
Sasuke, what you're missing here is that any Newbie mistake could be a Newbie mistake as a Townie and as a Mafioso. New players will often make newbie mistakes, which make them look incredibly suspicious by normal game standard. The problem is that they do this the same way usually regardless of which role they bear. So in other words, since there's a 1 out of 4 chance that you're are Mafia, we can't be sure of anything. This is pretty much the basis of my voting for chaotic or incredibly inexperienced players (like Elfen or Cucco Power or Linksbro, not like you exactly), just with this game there was the added issue of them being incredibly distracting.
Besides, the basis of this game is suspicion, and it's foolish to trust anyone. You make yourself look suspicious when you make yourself look suspicious. You can't just wave it away by saying you are new, although you can adjust your behavior to throw off that suspicion. Still, late game, people are going to compare changes in behavior, so you'll just have to learn from this later in the game and next time you play.
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Responding to a few older messages against me:
Then God help us even more. I'm simply going with our best lead, Draco.
Fair, but you shouldn't be deciding the next day's vote until it's the next day, because you might have a very different picture by then.
It bothers me, your sudden flip to vote for me. I fail to see how you could go from agreeing to my arguments of your own accord to having a gut feeling about my suspicion when I've done nothing but further basically the same arguments.
Vote: Axle the Beast
I'll give my reasons later. Hopefully "later" won't mean two weeks later. XD For now, I need to get to bed.
Same issue as Ky here, really. What is the reason for the change?
Furthermore, don't you think it would be a better idea to make a vote at the same time as your explanation for the vote? You're just kind of confusing the discussion and creating a bandwagon feel when you do it this way. Granted bandwagons are somewhat necessary with our voting rules in this game, but they shouldn't be practiced when possible.
That whole paragraph is full with questionable quotes. Sorry Axle,
VOTE: AXLE THE BEAST
Oh, excuse me, but could you explain how they are questionable?
I especially love Jo calling Ky shady despite her similar and far more disruptive behavior...
This was mostly out of frustration that many of my posts have been ignored, especially my points about Jo. The basis of everyone's votes against me and them constantly questioning my motives makes it obvious. NO ONE IS REALLY PAYING ANY FRICKEN' ATTENTION.
Grossly out of context, dude. What the hell? This quote was said as a response to someone who was posting to create an effect. Doing something for an effect is the exact definition of doing something for the lulz, so I said it. It was a count towards them seeing odd.
Probably because of this whole "clash of the titans" thing going on right now.
If you're going to target me for this then you should target Jo as well. I was referring to people being inactive because of me and Jo going at it, and we are both very experienced and powerful players. Sorry my choice of terms sounds more suspicious, but Jo has made similar statements if I do recall.
Good, you shouldn't trust ANY player in this game, ESPECIALLY the good players. Trust is going to get you killed. Cooperation however is crucial.
The fact that you find this suspicious is just proof that you are incredibly unfamiliar with this game. In almost any game, the game mod tells you not to trust anyone. In the rules I linked to in the sign-up thread for THIS game, it says as much. In a game where you cannot discern who is your enemy for sure, why would you trust a soul? The worst townies appear as mafia and the best mafia appear as townies. You have no reason to trust anyone, and it's foolish not to. Good players, like me or Jo, Ky or MK9 (among others), are worse because we are good. It'll be harder for us to make a mistake and reveal ourselves, so trusting one of them is even more foolish. Yet you still need to cooperate with other players, even among this distrust.
This is basic Mafia. Not a suspicious quote.
Once again Axle wants to lynch somebody even though he's acknowledging that she could be townie. He clearly says that he doesn't know if it's in-character for her, and he has people telling him that it is in-character, so why does he continue to insist that she should be lynched? He views her as disruptive, so he is basically saying, "Hey, if she's a townie, I want her gone anyway because she's disruptive." I wonder how this sounds familiar... oh yeah! Same reason for pushing on everybody he's been suspicious of. He keeps trying to get people killed who he says could be townie while not keeping an open eye for Mafia, our goal. He's obviously more concerned with getting rid of disruptive townies than pointing out Mafia at all. OH THE HUMANITY!
You've clearly not really read any of my posts. Here's two things you're not getting. Whether this is Jo's normal behavior or not, it's indistinguishable behavior. She's acting in such a way that I can't tell what she is. She's that chaotic. This makes her dangerous considering her general experience with Mafia. Second is the manipulation in her posts. I am
not going to explain it all over again. Read my first major post in the last couple of days, or better yet, read ALL OF MY POSTS ABOUT IT SINCE DAY 2 STARTED.
And I've been keeping an eye on Mafia. I've clearly spelled out legit suspicions of both Sasuke and Hero of Music. And the reason I've tried to get rid of disruptive townies is because for the entire first day that is all we talked about. That was dangerous. If it hadn't been a hot topic, it wouldn't have been a big deal. My reasons for voting for Jo (which was NOT anywhere close to just being about her disruptive attitude) are because she has dishonestly manipulated the discussion. That is not disruptive; it's destructive. It not only attempts to force people to do what she wants (her reason for voting for me), but it confuses facts and the issue at hand.
You've said this yourself, Ky, if I'm so clearly Mafia, then Jo is too because she's guilty of more severe things than I am.
Why is everyone saying that if Axle's town their gonna vote for Bayside? If Axle happens to be town that means Bayside is automatically Mafia? That's very vauge evidence. One of them doesn't have to be scum. They could both easily be townies. I've seen it happen alot before,when two townies accuse each other both thinking the others Mafia.Voting for Bayside just because Axle ends up town makes no sense to me,and seems pretty risky.
Yes, that's true. I actually do think all these oaths about killing Jo after I'm dead are foolish at base. My death won't prove anything aside from her promoting the death of someone who could be Townie. Something I did, and openly thought they were innocent, just dangerous.
If you're going to find her suspicious, I'd rather you use her actual attitude and strange behavior instead of it being because "Axle was a Townie lol", which proves nothing. This game is riddled with childish reasoning and lack of paying attention to the details of the discussions happening. My points have been ignored, which is exactly what Jo's been setting up. Why don't you guys start paying attention already?
If Jo stops being destructive like this, then she's still suspicious but at least she'll be a valuable Townie, one of the power players, who shouldn't be lynched immediately. My sole reason for the immediate targeting of her was because of how much she was screwing over the town, and consciously, not because of newbie mistakes.
After reading on Ky and Dracomajora's posts, I seriously don't understand why Axle would want to lynch someone he thinks is disruptive to the town instead on focusing on hunting mafia members. That, in my opinion, is disruptive. I can understand that he's busy but I'd expected a defence from him at this point, even if it's just a small one. If we don't do something, then I expect this war between Axle and Bayside to continue...
I have hunted Mafia members. Again you've not read my posts. Furthermore, I only did that on the first day, which was someone we were all talking about the entire day and never spent any real time hunting down other Mafia. And enough of you agreed with me. Jo I was going to leave alone. When she accused me I defended myself. Then she ignored everything and I found that suspicious, so then I voted.
I repeated myself over and over because no one was really reading my posts and realizing the issue that was going on, that my posts raised legit points and hers' dodged the point entirely. Evidently the problem is still here, because you guys
still can't grasp the base logic behind my actions even though I've explained it time and time again in almost every post I've made. Why don't you
read?
EBWODP: For the record, that wasn't an illegal edit. I was trying to make a second post, technically an EBWODP in itself (the "----------------" is what I put in at the beginning of my second one), but they got merged after the point where merging or editing a post will not read as "edited by". Meh.
