Yes I acknowledged that I initially agreed with you, but the key word is "initially". New information changes the way actions and posts are interpreted previously. What seemed to me like a ok post a agreed with all of a sudden looks like a tactical post in the hypothetical situation that you were scum.
Of course this in in working on hypotheticals in a way, but I think it's rather coincidental as well. Mafia could have just hit pure luck again, or they had a role cop. The latter seems more logical in my eyes. It makes sense that Mafia would, given this new information, would want to prevent the cop from claiming. This is where your post comes into play as it's placed right in the middle of the events: Role Cop potentially investigates Alit -> You tell the Cop not to investigate -> Alit dies the fowling night. It was a clever move if that was the case.
You are throwing in words that I never stated. I never stated that the cop should not investigate, but rather to stay hidden and as I stated earlier, Pendio even acknowledged that and agreed with me in that aspect. I simply stated that the Cop should keep lurking and still investigate while he is still alive.
Fig said:
I'm not even sure how many town PRs we have left and while I'm sure we have a cop here somewhere, I personally advise the cop to simply keep lurking and searching for scum and once you have two to three of them found, then it would be a good time to speak up.
And here's
Pendio's post if you somehow missed it.
You said "Pancake and Mandy respectively confirmed" in relation to mine and Thar's claims. There was no questioning and we could have easily been lying. I'm sorry but I just don't believe that is what you were saying.
Mandy makes a rather decent fit for a Cop in my eyes, such is why Draco made her have a similar role of sorts as a tracker. Tracker and Cop sort of go hand in hand in a way - both are investigation-like roles. Knowing that I already have her role made the claim much safer in relation to the fact that if I did fake claim then I would be in trouble. Mandy, in my opinion, was a good softclaim for a Cop. Alit probably would have been a better option most likely, but apart from that, who else?
Also the pan soft claim sort of acted as bail out card. I didn't want to make it obvious that I was soft claiming as Cop as it would in hindsight it looked rather obvious. Mafia could have easily seen my move as I was just literally talking about the importance of keeping the Cop alive. It was an over complicated move by myself that I think Mafia probably wouldn't haven't looked that much into. Like I said though, there NK target was already set.
Again you are sorta throw words into my mouth. In
my post, I stated that
Axle and Mandy were confirmed as roles in this game on the account of Thar's and yours respective softclaims, yet here you said I stated that
Pancake and Mandy are confirmed roles based on yours and Thar's softclaims. In your own posts
here and
here you softclaimed that you were both Mandy and Pancake in that respective order. Thar only softclaimed as Axle, so do I detect some sort of slip up or are trying to throw in words that I never stated? I say this because I have not once said that Pancake was confirmed. I may be over thinking this, but you should know better if you are trying to get rid of me in the game because I'm sure a townie wouldn't slip up in the wording, but that's just my view in this matter.
Also when it comes to who is a good candidate to become a cop, I don't think Mandy was the only choice. Since this game is community-based, I personally don't see any chemistry in terms of friendship between ALIT and Mandy which are the Cop and supposed Tracker in this game. I'm not saying that roles have to be friends or have a special bond between one another, but rather it makes sense if roles like Cop and Tracker are based on a person's actions than personality. That said, two people come to mind that would potentially and arguably make a better Tracker choice than Mandy. These two people are Lord Vain and Terminus. I feel when it comes to the sense of tracking, they would be a better choice considering that they don't tolerate injustice when it comes to the forums so perhaps they would make a better choice in my opinion.
The prefect disguise argument, right?
I don't fake claim though, never have and most like never will apart from joking. I don't like the risk involved in doing so. I guess you could say me trying to softclaim as Cop was "fake" but in a way it wasn't. My claim is very risky of it were to be fake. Why would I claim a common role in quite a role filled game? Why would I also claim a member who is most likely to appear in the game?
See you are contradicting yourself. If you don't fake claim, what was the purpose for the Pancake fake claim? You can't be both players so even if you did so to save yourself, you fake claimed nonetheless. And to be honest, I think a Watcher is more common than a Tracker, but that's just my own viewpoint. Again while Mandy is for sure more than likely to be part of the game, I think a member who does indeed track across the forum such as Vain or Term would be better suited.
Of course I'm using it be trusted that's why I full on claimed this day. I like to sort of take action sometimes, and to do so I like to be trusted. I did the same in Pirates were I was a Dreaming God, I didn't have to role claim then, but more so earn my trust. I feel trust is a big asset to my playstyle.
Also my playstyle is pretty straight to the point and slightly aggressive. I like to put people under pressure basically. Oh and having multiple suspicions is common, you can't limit your view to one person. Anyway, if this is your reasoning then it's pretty bad for finding me scummy as I play this way all the time and 90% of the time I'm Town. It's not scummy, it's just the way I play.
That's exactly why I think, to some degree, you had a guilty conscious; you were to scared to start the lynch in the case that you couldn't defend yourself. Townies tend to be more confident and therefore are more clinical on their targets. Mafia tip toe around, wait for people to make the first move etc. This is exactly what you did on that day. You stated basically what I said in a post previous yet still you didn't make a decision. You were to busy thinking about what would happen after which is were the guilty conscious comes into play. I was naturally more confident in that position while you weren't willing to make the move. It wasn't a risky move yet you were still hesitant to make it.
Distance myself how exactly? I was the one who recommended that we go for an inactive player in the first place and as a result I take full responsibility for the lynch. It was the best and less riskiest option we had. No one had any better options. I waited for alternatives, I waited for people to question my reasoning yet those people stay quiet until the lynch was confirmed.
Yea I was there when you said that you were open to other suggestions for a lynch, yet Thar said the same thing and stated we should have other options. I believe you stated that he seemed scummy for acknowledging that we should have had more options, he didn't added on who should we also consider other members, yet you seemed fixed to lynch me when we have a person who acknowledged the thought of having other people to consider and still being somewhat silent about his own thoughts right now. As for my "guilty conscious", I already answered that but it appears I'm going to repeat myself. Link to my quote is
here.
Fig said:
As I stated in the previous day. I was for the lynch for Violet yet I personally didn't want to sound like I was solely targeting people. Targeting people for a lynch is already a risk because if that player does flip town all suspicion would be laid on that player and another town would be lost. In this case, I figured that if I started the vote for Violet and she ended up as town, I'm sure I would have have been killed or lynched later on in the game almost immediately. But moving on, you stated that I had a guilty conscious simply because I didn't want to start the lynch on Violet. If I did had a guilty conscious, I would have been hesitant on voting Violet even though I was the one that stated that Violet was a decent chance of being lynched. Yet I didn't as I immediately voted as soon as soon as you voted for Violet. Though after that, the way how you worded your posts, you make it seem like you are trying to distance yourself from the Violet lynch even though we knew that are chances of killing scum was very low to begin with. Perhaps you are trying to do so because we killed a townie and you simply are trying to gain credibility? This is why I really can't trust you. I would try to explain more in detail but I think Mido was able to do that better with his post.
Explain...
As far as I'm aware, I've been very forward with why I did what I did. The only thing I can see as being curious is me softclaiming as Pan as well as Mandy, but I explained that I was over thinking things at that point and made my claim crystal clear to correct any misconceptions and confusions associated with that specifc claim.
Thus you are fakeclaiming as either Pancake or Mandy. You can't be two players at the same time so there goes your statement that you never fake claim. Never say never my friend.
First off, I was busy in real life, and I'll be busy for another week because of finals. Secondly, I pushed off my suspicions of you because it was clear that the Mafia was trying to frame you for Stitch's death. I mean, after your rather aggressive argument with him, he winds up dead, so obviously they'd try to pin the blame on you. It's a classic yet predictive tactic, and I clearly acknowledged that. Was I suspicious? Yes, but I didn't want to fall for any potential schemes the Mafia had, so I dismissed it. Now, a few days later, the man who into an argument with our Doctor is still alive. I find it odd that the Mafia has yet to target you, since (after what had happen) you would've been an easy target. My guess is that you might be the Mafia Role Cop -- Night 1 you decide to investigate Stitch after your heated argument to see what role he has and you find that he's the Doctor. You think that nobody would suspect you because it'd be easy to act like the Mafia was framing you, when in actuality you killed Stitch.
First off, I was busy too as I was in my workshop a few weeks ago, but I still at least made an effort to least post something when I had the chance. Granted I don't know how difficult real life is for you so I can't really argue. Yea it makes sense that mafia was going to kill either me or Stitch on the first night since we were in an argument and thus the one that would be alive the next day would be put on the on spotlight because he was the one with most connection to the fallen player. I'm actually surprised that I was alive as I was the one who initiated the argument. Only two things come to mind for me being alive. 1. The mafia is playing with and keeping me alive until a later day which I would believe would be the case right now or 2. Stitch being the doctor knew one of us was going to die and protected me from a potential night kill only for him to fall instead. As for the highlighted section, your logic is flawed. Here's why:
Let's say I was the Mafia Cop. Obviously there must be a Godfather, a mafia PR, and either another mafia PR or mafia goon. I'm sure that by now everyone knows how the night roles work in the aspect that they all take place at the same. If I was the mafia role cop and if I did found out that Stitch was the Doctor, the mafia would never know until all the night actions have occurred. I highly doubt the mods would allow the mafia to have such a huge advantage to have their role cop have priority and use their cop's role to check who has what what role only to then decided if they should go for the kill or kill another target. That is very unhealthy for the game and would make the game practically in the mafia's hand to begin with. No. All roles occur at the same time. Both Vig and mafia attack on the same time, while at the same time the mafia role cop goes to search on a player, yet the doctor moves at the same time as the previously stated roles and the Cultist/Mentor is gathering members. So the only way the mafia knew that Stitch was the doctor was if 1. Stitch was revealed as doctor from the role cop if he was alive at the first night and they didn't go for him, 2. Was very lucky with their night kill or 3. The mods of this game gave them a unfair advantage and revealed it to them and I really doubt Leslie and PK don't want to look as terrible mods considering they were planning this game for who knows how long.
No, not from the start, but that night you could have (as I've already explained).
I did mention that I was suspicious of JC, but not to the degree that I am suspicious of you. I understand that he was a part of the Violet lynch, and that he could be fake-claiming, but our primary goals include getting rid of the Cultist, and lynching scum -- specifically the Role Cop, which is what I suspect you are.?
Again, the logic that I was the mafia role cop and that the mafia somehow knew he was the doctor before the night scene is completely flawed as the mafia couldn't have possibly have known that Stitch was the doctor unless they decided to have killed me instead while the cop goes out to observes Stitch and only until the night scene was posted would they have known who was what so still stating that I am the mafia role cop because I somehow knew Stitch was the doctor before the 1st night scene mind you, is completely impossible unless Leslie gave the mafia an unfair advantage which means that Leslie wanted the mafia to win to begin with and thus this game was fixed before the game began which would make Leslie a terrible mod in the eyes of the players and I really doubt that Leslie wanted to be known as a terrible mod on a game he was dedicated to mod for a long time.
