(OLD) Contest Unfair Infractions Here

[Seth]

You're extrapolating a lot from that statement.

 

[Emma]

There is nothing else to discuss as far as I'm aware.

• Kitsu did not manipulate the chat, that's how we format every warning or infraction.
• We are not "hyper focusing" on DM, there were just multiple incidents during that week. There has been times were we have discussed members' actions more than DM's, so I guess we're "hyper focusing" on everyone. But no, we're just doing out job.
• Kitsu did not take charge of the decision. I have been in DM's favour a few times now; however this time I was not. Me and Krash both agreed to warn DM and we were not influenced by anyone. If you have a problem, blame us, and stop scapegoating others.
• What DM did was not one incident, but several, he deserved the SB ban for his spam-like comments and creepy tone over the week. Anyone arguing this is clearly biased in favour of DM (or supports such behaviour) and I'm not willing to even discuss the possibility of it being acceptable while I'm still a mod on this forum.

So that pretty much covers everything and I've said everything I've had the say on the matter as I'm sure many others have as well. You can and continue to dispute it, but I'm standing by my decision.

Edit: @Shironagi while I appreciate your feedback, try not to insult Matt. Thanks.

Formatting every one of your points prettily doesn't stop each of them from being completely wrong. And asserting they're not doesn't make them go away. As you keep constantly ignoring, the conversation WAS manipulated as taking it in context completely changes the situation. No amount of justification can make that inconvenient fact go away. Kitsu was the one who issued the warning and he clearly did it without asking anyone else is this specific case warranted. And, I'm sorry, but it's impossible not to be at least partially influenced by someone who has this much of a grudge against someone. Especially with how much he keeps doing it again and again. And how he's obsessed with framing entirely innocent situations as bad as well as provoking them. That's the point of a person in authority pushing a vendetta. Manufacture or provoke a situation you can use to make other people genuinely feel it was justified even though it was always a setup. There were a lot of other people who did worse than he did, I mentioned a few, quoted the ones tonight, and they never got anything. Most of whom are repeat offenders that do it regularly. If your concern is "creepy comments" and not "abusive comments", your priorities as a mod are skewed.

You're extrapolating a lot from that statement.

Seeing how the main point I was making was that you do it, and since you didn't deny it, I'd say that I got the meaning just right. Where precisely it goes on is besides the point because it goes towards the case that you have personally been mocking and ridiculing DM and therefore are biased in this matter.

 

[Justac00lguy]

Like I said, I've finished talking about DM. I've made my stance fairly clear; however those examples you gave are rather off topic and are separate incidents of a different nature.

I do appreciate you giving us some examples, but it's not really relevant and I'd prefer to discuss these topics separately rather than it being used to justify someone else's actions. Also, while on the topic of these posts, I would like these to be reported when they actually happen so we can comment on them straight away rather than them being brought up weeks in advance for use of argument.

 

[Emma]

Like I said, I've finished talking about DM. I've made my stance fairly clear; however those examples you gave are rather off topic and are separate incidents of a different nature..

You refusing to discuss them doesn't make them irrelevant.

I do appreciate you giving us some examples, but it's not really relevant and I'd prefer to discuss these topics separately rather than it being used to justify someone else's actions. Also, while on the topic of these posts, I would like these to be reported when they actually happen so we can comment on them straight away rather than them being brought up weeks in advance for use of argument.

Actual thread posts are getting dealt with rather readily. SB posts are not. And there is no way to report them. there is no direct report feature for SB posts, and the staff is notoriously unwilling to respond to me in PMs or Skype under most circumstances. I usually never get a reply.

 

[Justac00lguy]

You refusing to discuss them doesn't make them irrelevant.

I'm not ignoring them, me actually acknowledging them in the post you just quoted kind of proves that. However they are separate incidents, which I'd rather address independently rather than it clearly being used as a tactic of justifying DM's actions.

Actual thread posts are getting dealt with rather readily. SB posts are not. And there is no way to report them. there is no direct report feature for SB posts, and the staff is notoriously unwilling to respond to me in PMs or Skype under most circumstances. I usually never get a reply.

That's something that would be useful. Though members usually report the member and then quote the specifc SB quote. That's how it's usually done anyway and I'd like members to do this more often so we can keep on top of SB incidents.

 

[DARK MASTER]

This thread seems so active.

DM himself recently noted he only made to prove a point

Not trying to "prove a point" by my recent actions, but simply, like Garo, cannot recognize this staff as legitimate. Very few staff members have done anything to earn my trust.

http://zeldadungeon.net/forum/threads/trouble-loading-forums-when-logged-on.53442/#post-973603

Just from an intellectual standpoint; how does one post pornographic fan fiction of Pancake then expect to be taken seriously for moderating sexual jokes? This is the natural result of moderating with a lack of integrity.

Example: within a community I help moderate, a few months ago I accidentally posted a file. Posting files is not allowed, but rather than just deleting it, I wrote an apology; then stepped down for approximately the time of a ban. Despite what some might believe I think this community used to be run with that same accountability, but in recent times very few are still willing to show it. Thanks for reading.

 

[Dio]

This thread seems so active.

Not trying to "prove a point" by my recent actions, but simply, like Garo, cannot recognize this staff as legitimate. Very few staff members have done anything to earn my trust.

Just from an intellectual standpoint; how does one post pornographic fan fiction of Pancake then expect to be taken seriously for moderating sexual jokes? This is the natural result of moderating with a lack of integrity.

Example: within a community I help moderate, a few months ago I accidentally posted a file. Posting files is not allowed, but rather than just deleting it, I wrote an apology; then stepped down for approximately the time of a ban. Despite what some might believe I think this community used to be run with that same accountability, but in recent times very few are still willing to show it. Thanks for reading.

When was there accountability in the past? The staff used to be so much more corrupt back then. We are lucky such people no longer moderate the forums.

 

[DARK MASTER]

When was there accountability in the past?

Before an impressionable 14 year old became admin.

 

[Spiritual Mask Salesman]

So what would you have us do? Go tell Locke to demote every forum staff member for corruption?

 

[DARK MASTER]

So what would you have us do? Go tell Locke to demote every forum staff member for corruption?

Jeez, this seems like a loaded question. I just want everyone to be held to the same standard, which wasn't always so controversial.

 

[Ronin]

Back it up for two seconds. Having read the past few pages, I'm a little confused by the stipulation below:

Since you're the staff member who did this, I do not think you should be the one defending it. Your objectivity is in question and you should leave it for someone else.

So who exactly should be the one to discuss it, and when will it be under reasonable strictures? I'm not sure if anyone else has noticed, but the course of this conversation literally went from a one on one with Kitsu and skyrocketed into an all-out brawl against anyone in his defense. By that extension, a number of statements have been made encompassing that because Kitsu is corrupt, every single staff member is also. Blaming everyone in a group just because they have a similar goal in mind does not make them equally culpable. Assuming that the infraction logs are authentic and that Kitsu really did add an extra line in, then only he should be the one at fault.

Nonetheless, all that DM received was a zero-point infraction--there is literally nothing to contest. Heck, at this stage it might as well just be coined up as a warning, not an infraction. Therefore, rehashing this issue is only turning into a redundant cycle of appeal to spite mumbo jumbo ("grudge against X") and an entirely pointless blame game which doesn't belong here in the first place.

 

[DARK MASTER]

Nonetheless, all that DM received was a zero-point infraction

And a shoutbox ban.

http://zeldadungeon.net/forum/threads/trouble-loading-forums-when-logged-on.53442/#post-973603
I'm just curious why some of us are held to a different standard? I don't think this situation is very complicated. Kitsu can post porn but I cannot make jokes; seems fair.

 

[Jamie]

And a shoutbox ban.

http://zeldadungeon.net/forum/threads/trouble-loading-forums-when-logged-on.53442/#post-973603
I'm just curious why some of us are held to a different standard? I don't think this situation is very complicated. Kitsu can post porn but I cannot make jokes; seems fair.

This pancake samurai thing was ages ago so stop bringing it up. I can see some arguments about the discouraging and such but kit is probably the least sexual user on the site. I don't even know what his sexuality is ffs

 

[Terminus]

And a shoutbox ban.

http://zeldadungeon.net/forum/threads/trouble-loading-forums-when-logged-on.53442/#post-973603
I'm just curious why some of us are held to a different standard? I don't think this situation is very complicated. Kitsu can post porn but I cannot make jokes; seems fair.

Devil's advocate, but when has Kit posted porn? He's mocked members openly several times but never posted actual porn.

 

[Beauts]

I'm just curious why some of us are held to a different standard? I don't think this situation is very complicated. Kitsu can post porn but I cannot make jokes; seems fair.

I don't think people are being held to different standards in all fairness. And I don't recall Kitsu ever posting anything remotely sexual. The person who did was punished. I understand where you're coming from and at least you're being reasonable about it but I actually don't think different people get special treatment. Most people just don't break the rules much. I know people can say some bad things and offensive comments and stuff but most of the time that is dealt with if not straight away after somebody complains or tells a staff member. If something happens which you don't like but you don't notify anybody then there's not much that can be done.