Game Thread ExLight's Custom Role Mafia - ENDGAME [TOWN WINS]

[15377]

@15377
Can you explain the role block part of your role a bit? You claimed streamer correct? How does a streamer roleblock people for targeting them?

The flavor I have on it is just that I yell at anybody trying to interrupt my stream until they leave me alone.

 

[Socky the Puppet]

The flavor I have on it is just that I yell at anybody trying to interrupt my stream until they leave me alone.

This checks out. I was starting to get paranoia that you lied about your claim given the wording from my results when you silenced me. But it aligns with what I got. Unless you knew that the person you silenced would be alerted that you "yelled" at them, then it would be hard to fake that claim.

 

[Mint Elv]

You have access to a Puppet Account called Socky. Socky cannot vote nor be voted. Socky cannot be targeted with actions. Socky cannot die. Socky is love, Socky is life.

Obviously the current socky is min, but does this mean PK socky can still speak?

 

[ExLight]

PK cannot use socky while dead

 

[KingofDominaria]

*Looks up from his double bacon cheeseburger deluxe.*

There does exist a world wherein both Seanzie and Jinjo are on the scum team and were both the wagons, thus making it an inevitable bus on whoever it happened against. While I would err on the side of caution and say that mafia could have done a lynch on anyone else instead of Jinjo, it's not strictly impossible that someone powerwolfed Jinjo to death.

I still maintain that with the way votes flew, those who ended up on Jinjo to cause his lynch are bound to be town as opposed to, say, Echo. Maybe even Rag, though Rag admits to being self.

So eh.

 

[Morbid Minish]

Spoiler: Day 1 Votes

Votecount 1.2.

ExLight (1) - Storm
15377 (1) - SouldAdvent
Mint Elv (1) - Seanzie
Not voting (10) - Laurentus, KoD, Rag, DawningWinds, 15377, EchoLight, Mint, Jinjo, Minish, Paranoid King


Votecount 1.3.

ExLight (2) - Storm, Seanzie
15377 (1) - SouldAdvent
Not voting (10) - Laurentus, KoD, Rag, DawningWinds, 15377, EchoLight, Mint, Jinjo, Minish, Paranoid King



Votecount 1.4.

ExLight (3) - Storm, Seanzie, Ragnarokio
15377 (1) - SouldAdvent
Not voting (9) - Laurentus, KoD, DawningWinds, 15377, EchoLight, Mint, Jinjo, Minish, Paranoid King


Votecount 1.5.

ExLight (3) - Storm, Seanzie, Ragnarokio
15377 (1) - SouldAdvent
Mint Elv (1) - Paranoid King
Not voting (8) - Laurentus, KoD, DawningWinds, 15377, EchoLight, Mint, Jinjo, Minish


Votecount 1.6.

ExLight (2) - Storm, Seanzie
15377 (1) - SouldAdvent
Mint Elv (1) - Paranoid King
KoD (1) - Ragnarokio
Not voting (8) - Laurentus, KoD, DawningWinds, 15377, EchoLight, Mint, Jinjo, Minish


Votecount 1.7.

ExLight (2) - Storm, Seanzie
Mint Elv (1) - Paranoid King
KoD (1) - Ragnarokio
Laurentus (1) - SoulAdvent
Not voting (8) - Laurentus, KoD, DawningWinds, 15377, EchoLight, Mint, Jinjo, Minish


Votecount 1.8.

ExLight (1) - Storm
Mint Elv (1) - Paranoid King
KingOfDominaria (1) - Ragnarokio
Jinjo (1) - SoulAdvent
SoulAdvent (1) - Seanzie
Not voting (8) - Laurentus, KoD, DawningWinds, 15377, EchoLight, Mint Elv, Jinjo, Minish


Votecount 1.9.

ExLight (2) - Storm, Seanzie
Mint Elv (1) - Paranoid King
KingOfDominaria (1) - Ragnarokio
Storm (2) - SoulAdvent, DawningWinds
Not voting (7) - Laurentus, KoD, 15377, EchoLight, Mint Elv, Jinjo, Minish


Votecount 1.10.

ExLight (2) - Storm, Seanzie
Mint Elv (1) - Paranoid King
KingOfDominaria (1) - Ragnarokio
Paranoid King (2) - SoulAdvent, DawningWinds
Not voting (7) - Laurentus, KoD, 15377, EchoLight, Mint Elv, Jinjo, Minish


Votecount 1.11.

Storm (3) - Ragnarokio, SoulAdvent, DawningWinds
ExLight (2) - Storm, Seanzie
Mint Elv (1) - Paranoid King
Not voting (7) - Laurentus, KoD, 15377, EchoLight, Mint Elv, Jinjo, Minish


Votecount 1.12.

Storm (3) - Ragnarokio, SoulAdvent, Paranoid King
ExLight (2) - Storm, Seanzie
Paranoid King (2) - 15377, DawningWinds
Not voting (6) - Laurentus, KoD, EchoLight, Mint Elv, Jinjo, Minish

Spoiler: Day 2 Votes

Votecount 2.1.

ExLight (1) - Storm
Seanzie (1) - KingOfDominaria
Jinjo (1) - SoulAdvent
Not voting (9) - Seanzie, Ragnarokio, DawningWinds, 15377, EchoLight, Mint Elv, Jinjo, Minish, Paranoid King



Votecount 2.2.

Seanzie (1) - KingOfDominaria
Jinjo (1) - SoulAdvent
Not voting (9) - Seanzie, Ragnarokio, DawningWinds, 15377, EchoLight, Mint Elv, Jinjo, Minish, Paranoid King


Votecount 2.3.

Seanzie (1) - KingOfDominaria
Jinjo (1) - SoulAdvent
KingOfDominaria (1) - Seanzie
No Lynch (1) - Paranoid King
Not voting (7) - Ragnarokio, DawningWinds, 15377, EchoLight, Mint Elv, Jinjo, Minish


Votecount 2.4.

Seanzie (1) - KingOfDominaria
Jinjo (1) - SoulAdvent
KingOfDominaria (1) - Seanzie
Echolight (1) - Mint Elv
No Lynch (1) - Paranoid King
Not voting (6) - Ragnarokio, DawningWinds, 15377, EchoLight, Jinjo, Minish


Votecount 2.5.

Jinjo (3) - SoulAdvent, KingOfDominaria, Mint Elv
KingOfDominaria (2) - Seanzie, Jinjo
Echolight (1) - Paranoid King
Not voting (5) - Ragnarokio, DawningWinds, 15377, EchoLight, Minish


Votecount 2.6.

Jinjo (2) - SoulAdvent, Mint Elv
KingOfDominaria (2) - Seanzie, Ragnarokio
Echolight (1) - Paranoid King
Not voting (6) - KingOfDominaria, Jinjo, DawningWinds, 15377, EchoLight, Minish


Votecount 2.7.

Jinjo (2) - SoulAdvent, Mint Elv
KingOfDominaria (2) - Seanzie, Ragnarokio
Echolight (1) - Paranoid King
Ragnarokio (1) - 15377
Seanzie (1) - Morbid Minish
Not voting (4) - KingOfDominaria, Jinjo, DawningWinds, EchoLight


Votecount 2.8.

Jinjo (2) - SoulAdvent, Mint Elv
KingOfDominaria (2) - Seanzie, Ragnarokio
Seanzie (2) - Morbid Minish, DawningWinds
Echolight (1) - Paranoid King
Ragnarokio (1) - 15377
Not voting (3) - KingOfDominaria, Jinjo, EchoLight


Votecount 2.9.

Seanzie (3) - Morbid Minish, DawningWinds, EchoLight
Jinjo (2) - SoulAdvent, Mint Elv
KingOfDominaria (2) - Seanzie, Ragnarokio
Echolight (1) - Paranoid King
Ragnarokio (1) - 15377
Mint Elv (1) - Jinjo
Not voting (1) - KingOfDominaria


Votecount 2.10.

Seanzie (3) - Morbid Minish, DawningWinds, EchoLight
Jinjo (3) - SoulAdvent, Mint Elv, Seanzie
KingOfDominaria (1) - Ragnarokio
Echolight (1) - Paranoid King
Ragnarokio (1) - 15377
Mint Elv (1) - Jinjo
Not voting (1) - KingOfDominaria


Votecount 2.11.

Seanzie (4) - Morbid Minish, DawningWinds, EchoLight, Jinjo
Jinjo (3) - SoulAdvent, Mint Elv, Seanzie
KingOfDominaria (1) - Ragnarokio
Echolight (1) - Paranoid King
Ragnarokio (1) - 15377
Not voting (1) - KingOfDominaria


Votecount 2.12.

Jinjo (4) - SoulAdvent, Mint Elv, Seanzie, DawningWinds
Seanzie (3) - Morbid Minish, EchoLight, Jinjo
Paranoid King (1) - Ragnarokio
Echolight (1) - Paranoid King
Ragnarokio (1) - 15377
Not voting (1) - KingOfDominaria


Votecount 2.13.

Jinjo (5) - SoulAdvent, Mint Elv, Seanzie, DawningWinds, Morbid Minish
Seanzie (3) - EchoLight, Jinjo, Ragnarokio
Echolight (1) - Paranoid King
Ragnarokio (1) - 15377
Not voting (1) - KingOfDominaria

Spoiler: Day 3 Votes

Votecount 3.1.

Ragnarokio (3) - Echolight, Seanzie, Paranoid King

Votecount 3.2.

Ragnarokio (3) - Echolight, Seanzie, Paranoid King
Echolight (2) - Mint Elv, SoulAdvent


Votecount 3.3

Echolight (2) - Mint Elv, KoD
KingofDominaria (1) - Seanzie



KingOfDominaria (2) - Seanzie, Mint Elv
Echolight (1) - KingOfDominaria
Paranoid King (1) - SoulAdvent
Ragnarokio (1) - Paranoid King
Not voting (4): Ragnarokio, 15377, Echolight, Morbid Minish


Votecount 3.5.

KingOfDominaria (3) - Seanzie, Mint Elv, Rag
Echolight (1) - KingOfDominaria
Paranoid King (1) - SoulAdvent
Seanzie (1) - (Numbers)
15377 (1) - (PK)



Votecount 3.6.

Paranoid King (2) - SoulAdvent, Mint Elv
KingOfDominaria (1) - Ragnarokio
Echolight (1) - KingOfDominaria
Seanzie (1) - 15377
15377 (1) - Paranoid King
Mint Elv (1) - Seanzie
Not voting (2) - Echolight, Morbid Minish


Votecount 3.7.

Paranoid King (2) - SoulAdvent, Mint Elv
Ragnarokio (2) - Seanzie, KingOfDominaria
KingOfDominaria (1) - Ragnarokio
Seanzie (1) - 15377
15377 (1) - Paranoid King
Not voting (2) - Echolight, Morbid Minish

 

[Morbid Minish]

Votecount 2.13.

Jinjo (5) - SoulAdvent, Mint Elv, Seanzie, DawningWinds, Morbid Minish
Seanzie (3) - EchoLight, Jinjo, Ragnarokio
Echolight (1) - Paranoid King
Ragnarokio (1) - 15377
Not voting (1) - KingOfDominaria

I think this vote count is the most important to look at. And if I highlight it with how I'm looking at the gamestate it's kind of telling.

Jinjo (5) - SoulAdvent, Mint Elv, Seanzie, DawningWinds, Morbid Minish
Seanzie (3) - EchoLight, Jinjo, Ragnarokio
Echolight (1) - Paranoid King
Ragnarokio (1) - 15377
Not voting (1) - KingOfDominaria


I think this kinda points to Seanzie being scum? Numbers/Rag aren't scum here I don't think. Numbers had started a wagon on Rag earlier in the day when Jinjo had just a couple of votes on her. So if they were the scum team that would be a very weird move imo, and not one I would expect from Numbers. So Numbers can still be scum but Rag is almost 100% 3rd party. Meaning to mafia at that point she was essentially town. PK we know was town, and Echo could still be scum though I'm reading her as town. We'll see how Giri(Boo) does (though I'm usually more prone to scum read him). Let's say Echo is scum here. That's two scum wagons, Echo and Jinjo and Seanzie which could make sense. The third scum would be somewhere in KoD, Numbers, and possibly Mint if they were bussing. Jinjo and KoD voted each other pretty early in the day however, and KoD voted Jinjo at one point not really knowing what was going on, which doesn't really sound like them being scumbuds to me.

If Soul is scum he's played a really great game. Which I know he's capable of doing, but still. He was on Jinjo all day and even at one point on d1. So I really think he's just town here and willing to say he is.

Hmm, looking back at the votes the only people Jinjo ever voted were KoD, Mint, and Seanzie. The first two were OMGUS votes and the Seanzie was a self pres vote. It is a bit interesting that Soul was on Jinjo so long and she never OMGUS voted him, but did the first two.... Almost wondering if it's because they were her scumbuds so it made her more upset to be voted by them. Something to keep in mind, even though I'm still not sure about her and KoD being aligned. On the other hand, if somehow Mint and KoD are both town then it's something to look into Soul for.


Jinjo/Seanzie/Mint
Jinjo/Seanzie/Numbers
Jinjo/Mint/Echo
Jinjo/Echo/Numbers
Jinjo/Echo/KoD
Jinjo/Numbers/Mint


I think these are the most likely scum team combos. Now to figure out which one makes the most sense. I still need to look at more stuff. But maybe other townies can start to but stuff together from this too.

 

[Mint Elv]

The only day Echo ended with her vote on someone was Day 2 during the Seanzie vs Jinjo lynch. Notably her vote was on Seanzie.

Min is the same case except her vote was on Jinjo and was the last vote on her. Her vote broke the tie.

Numbers has ended on Pk who we now know is town, Rag our indep, and Seanzie. The PK vote was on day one when PK was super super scummy. The rag vote was d2 before we knew she was an indep. And Seanzie was day 3.

KoD has literally only ended 1 day on someone and that was day 3 on Rag…the indep. Though they spend a lot of d3 on echo. He did spend some time on Seanzie on d2 but ultimately switched to Jinjo temporarily and then just ended with no vote.

Seanzie spend d1 on Exlight except for one point where they voted me, and then they went back to light. D2 was spent on KoD until they voted Jinjo to save themself. And D3 was spent on KoD until Seanzie did that weird switch to me and when he was called out for it, he switched to Rag the indep.

 

[Seanzie]

Min is the same case except her vote was on Jinjo and was the last vote on her. Her vote broke the tie.

Min's vote did not break a tie. It was 4-3, then Min voted last minute to make it 5-3.

Seanzie spend d1 on Exlight except for one point where they voted me, and then they went back to light. D2 was spent on KoD until they voted Jinjo to save themself. And D3 was spent on KoD until Seanzie did that weird switch to me and when he was called out for it, he switched to Rag the indep.

There was nothing weird about my switch, and I wasn't "called out" for anything.

 

[Mint Elv]

On the other hand, if somehow Mint and KoD are both town then it's something to look into Soul for.

Soul is only mafia if I’m mafia. That or their role is a lie and I somehow got a fake role om

The only day Echo ended with her vote on someone was Day 2 during the Seanzie vs Jinjo lynch. Notably her vote was on Seanzie.

So echo didn’t put forth effort in voting despite being pressured by ME. The only real effort we see vote wise is the contending wagon against the literal mafia wagon. Her voting history looks like she tried to save a scumbud and avoid being on any mislynches.

KoD has literally only ended 1 day on someone and that was day 3 on Rag…the indep. Though they spend a lot of d3 on echo. He did spend some time on Seanzie on d2 but ultimately switched to Jinjo temporarily and then just ended with no vote.

Seanzie spend d1 on Exlight except for one point where they voted me, and then they went back to light. D2 was spent on KoD until they voted Jinjo to save themself. And D3 was spent on KoD until Seanzie did that weird switch to me and when he was called out for it, he switched to Rag the indep.

I find it interesting that Seanzie and KoD have voted eachother at some point, and left the votes there for extended periods and then went off of them. And with the exception of Seanzie a self preservation vote, both him and KoD have only ended on indeps. (Light is technically an indep.)

Despite their attempts on each other I could see some crazy mafia play here.

 

[KingofDominaria]

Part of why I have hard time scum reading people on Jinjo's wagon is, in part, due to it being entirely possible they could've avoided Jinjo's lynch.

The *only* person this doesn't work out for is Seanzie as it leads to his own lynch.

If Mint truly is scum, why commit there? Why lose your partner, unless the intent strictly was to bus? As I've said before, there is only a handful of people that I am aware of that would actively do that to a partner. Unless the scum team literally decided to bus their partner, with the partner being ok with it, then I don't see that being what happened. That is, I don't see Mint being scum.

It makes much more sense, then, that scum would've tried to save their partner (ie. Echo voting Seanzie to save Jinjo or even Rag due to ending up on Seanzie -- but that's disproved given the interaction between JD and Rag with Rag being self).

So that leads me to one of two things:

1 - Resolving Echo would speak greatly to whether or not Jinjo was bussed fully by the mafia team.

2 - Resolving Seanzie would most certainly address the world in which Seanzie vs Jinjo was a scum wagon vs scum wagon that happened in a most unfortunate way for them.


I, actively, read Seanzie as town (though his hyper focus on me is interesting given my progression on voting which he's content to say is nonexistent or doesn't show enough intent-wise). In reading Seanzie town, and actively looking at Echo as scum trying to save Jinjo, that still leaves the third teammate to be addressed. Given the circumstances, Jinjo would've been bussed by their last partner. That, at the least, seems likely, unless JD is mafia with Jinjo and didn't participate in lynching his own teammate (though, again, why not save Jinjo by voting Seanzie out, unless he thought Jinjo that much a liability? Or, perhaps, maintaining a deep cover scum goal.).

Hm.

Rag is still an issue too I guess in all this.

 

[Mint Elv]

Min's vote did not break a tie. It was 4-3, then Min voted last minute to make it 5-3.

You’re right. Misread the vote count. She still secured Jinjos death.

 

[KingofDominaria]

Hmph. Here I go again.

 

[KingofDominaria]

*Cracks an energy drink.*

Godspeed all.

 

[KingofDominaria]

Final thoughts:

I'd say chop through Echo, and should Echo flip scum, go for Seanzie next as that buys time on having to worry about Rag.

If Echo flips town, rip through Rag to preserve balance in numbers as I don't trust Rag to help town in a dire time of need. That also means scum full on went after Jinjo in some fashion (or Numbers was intent on seeing Jinjo go over without participating). I'd be more willing to lean slightly town on Seanzie in this circumstance, though there is something to be said about his standing vs say Soul, Cin Min, or even Mint.


That's all I got.