Game Thread [Day 5] Zelda an Orcarana of Time as Remembered by Someone Who Only Played a Little Bit of it Well Over a Decade Ago Mafia

[Ragnarokio]

Vote Count
Viral (2) - Johnny, Mikey
SMS (1) - Exlight
Exlight (2) - Viral, Uwu
Mikey (1) - Chevy
Not Voting (5) - Minish, SMS, 15377, reki, Kirino

~25 hours until deadline

 

[Reki]

I understand you don't want to elaborate. However, is this good unexpected or bad unexpected?

Even funnier; maybe both.

Just give me a bit of time, it'll be most likely claimed before EoD.

Also this might sound a bit random but if yall could post saying "I am not mafia aligned" I'll give yall a cookie

I am not mafia aligned.

I am not neutral aligned.

I am not third-party aligned.

I am aligned with town.

Pick whichever, I'll PM you my address for that cookie.

And if it is real, I feel as though it would make more sense to have the lens be "Target a Player and I'll tell you their alignment you only get one use", that way if you discover someone who is mafia you have to find evidence to convince the others, other than "my lens says ____ is evil everyone let's vote for them". But rn it's just coming off to me as a desperate decoy, and I apologize Ex but without further details I can't trust it just yet.

See what you mean, but at this point in the game it doesn't hurt us to just put that sentence there. If Ex tries something evil we'll think it through in the moment, and if we kill a town for that then he knows he'll be under heavy suspicion next. 1-to-1 is almost never a good trade for meanies.

So I'm not really understanding why would you or anyone avoid to say the sentence. I've seen Lie Detectors, this is standard play - it's even in the Wiki -.

I think I'll go with Mikey, I don't like how aggressive he's become.

I don't claim to know people a lot here - only played once before and already forgot all the meta - but my impression is that aggressiveness is just standard Mikey's fanfare. Isn't that the case?

Unless you're considering the changing meta point which, fair I guess.

 

[Chevywolf:30]

I don't claim to know people a lot here - only played once before and already forgot all the meta - but my impression is that aggressiveness is just standard Mikey's fanfare. Isn't that the case?

Unless you're considering the changing meta point which, fair I guess.

I feel like either Mikey or Ex is scum, and I can't nail exactly which so I'm going with my gut.

 

[Mikey the Gengar]

I feel like either Mikey or Ex is scum, and I can't nail exactly which so I'm going with my gut.

I mean
if you've been paying attention to what I've been saying
I feel like ex and viral were theatering earlier

 

[Chevywolf:30]

True

I mean
if you've been paying attention to what I've been saying
I feel like ex and viral were theatering earlier

True. I also just remembered I floated the idea of you being indep if anything. Hate to flip flop, but

Unvote

 

[Chevywolf:30]

Ex claims someone gave him the Lens of Truth, anyone care to step forward with any information? Because it might be in the hands of the mafia now.

 

[Reki]

What do you both think of Viral's vote last phase?

That's the thing that makes me feel really good about them.

 

[ExLight]

What do you both think of Viral's vote last phase?

That's the thing that makes me feel really good about them.

you mean his tiebreaker vote?

coming from himself who just said scum should've bussed there it's meaningless right

if he's town sure nice it was a cool vote but he would be there no matter his alignment by his logic

 

[Viral Maze]

What's your opinion on Kirino?

Let me iso, the read I have is based on yesterday/Day1(2). He's only got 9 posts so far so it won't take long.

I mean
if you've been paying attention to what I've been saying
I feel like ex and viral were theatering earlier

Do you think I'm scum?

 

[Mikey the Gengar]

Do you think I'm scum?

the term theater implies that

 

[Viral Maze]

the term theater implies that

Feel free to elaborate.

 

[Viral Maze]

What's your opinion on Kirino?

Null read. He CWOC while parroting whats already been said about Killjoy, refrains from pushing Killjoy into the majority and then votes when KJ has the largest wagon. His only post D3 doesn't have any meat.
If hes scum, why would he sus Killjoy and refrain from voting?
If hes town, his play speaks to general apprehension, and not wanting to mislynch.
He needs to post more.

 

[15377]

how is that odd?

Hey, it's odd that you expect people not to vote for Ex if they're scum reading him just because Ex might name claim and die at some point. If he's scum he likely won't. He'll find a reason not to. Just like bussing it's not a foregone conclusion regardless of his alignment. The logistics will have to be right for it to happen, if that's what he wants. And if he doesn't want to, then votes will have to flow anyway. So there's no point in telling people to put it off without a solid reason.

I recognize the hard push. For an apparent more experienced player I find it a little suspect and expect a reason to present itself at some point. The baseline thought would be he fake claimed miller and is worried about being lynched to resolve him through death. This might have further implications of being scum, self survivor, or simply regretful townie. After work I'm going to deep dive the timing of the KJ wagon because I don't believe just being on it early is subsequent reason to town read someone, especially when they didn't actually sell the wagon through the course of the day.

Listen, going back to this I find there's only a very small window where KJ became a front runner in the wagons that scum!Mikey could have jumped off without looking bad. This point is about mid 100's, as prior to that Mikey was the sole KJ vote. After that KJ becomes a competing wagon first with my "fake wagon" of redirected votes, then with Mikey himself. Once KJ's wagon got to a point where scum!Mikey jumping wouldn't have saved him, bussing becomes an optimal play at that point since KJ is dead with or without scum!Mikey's vote but leaving it where it is provides opportunity to gain town cred. Given that Mikey's original vote came during RVS and had a touch of RVS to it itself (Mikey stating that if KJ's action wasn't bolded he'd 100% take it as a joke but since it was he's only 50% taking it as a joke), it's easy enough to write off as not that serious of a read. Throw in that Oocoo's vote on KJ was mis-recorded as for Chevy in the latter mid 100's and that Chevy's was redirected to me and it's reasonable to suspect scum!Mikey could have simply missed his window to move his vote before it became more trouble than it was worth. This was a long process just to say I don't feel like it's out of the realm of possibility for Mikey to still be scum despite the KJ wagon.

In other news I feel a little better about Viral after rereading yesterday. End of Day Reki still makes me lean scum in general, although the buzzer shot on Mikey does not, as there's nothing to be gained by that vote (KJ would still be lynched even if that was counted).

 

[Spiritual Mask Salesman]

Ok I'm a few pages behind but I skimmed. I saw Ex claims he has a lie dector ability. So of true, I'll make this easy for everyone.

I'm Ganondorf, I'm niether town nor Mafia, I'm self-aligned and can win with either faction, basically. I want the Triforce pieces to meet my wincon. I have ways to get more powerful throughout the game until my wincon can be reached.

So basically, I can be an asset to town until I can meet my wincon, after that if Rag let's me stick around I can still help out unless I get lynched or killed but at that point it won't matter because I'll have gotten my win anyway.

 

[Kirino]

I think Uwu looks fairly good, mostly given her vote on KJ, as I doubt a new player would bus a scumbud so early unless it was coordinated by another scumbud. She's also been fairly engaged and I can understand her suspicion of Ex given how vague and convenient his lie detector claim might seem to a newbie.

Viral's vote on KJ isn't something I see as especially AI. I can easily imagine him bussing, and he himself has stated that it'd be a good move for scum. I think the optimal move for scum in his position would probably have been to vote for Mikey instead if lynching him was feasible, but he might have doubted it would necessarily lead to a Mikey lynch, and if KJ flipped regardless, it would've looked pretty bad for him.

I do think it's weird that he gave no explanation for his KJ suspicion or vote, or even discussed who should be lynched during EoD for that matter. I guess there's a world in which both Mikey and Viral are scumbuds with KJ that would fit with these facts, but that's pretty speculative.

It's interesting to see so many people doubt Reki. I thought she was asking fairly good questions early on and has generally been giving reasonable takes. Even the suspicion of me looked to me like it was reasonable enough from her perspective. Her switch to Mikey looks bad on the surface, but it was immediately after EoD and wouldn't have changed anything even if it had went through.

Numbers is someone who initially was vague and wasn't contributing much, but he's since stepped it up quite a bit. I'll have to ISO him to get a better read, in addition to most other players.

I do think that Mikey is one to intentionally change up his meta. That's part of why I voted him d1. But this is one thing I don't think he would do. I think he would bus if it were like down to the wire and he had reason to. I don't think he would bus from the start and on d1.

I'd generally agree, but the widespread discussion on how he never busses and how town could make use of this would've made him more inclined to do so. It also benefits him in the sense that it makes him less predictable for future games, and I could see him make this decision largely for that reason alone. KJ was also a fairly inexperienced player.

Im just gonna **** and sleep

not sure if this is meant to read **** or **** but if it's the latter then damn, no wonder you're not getting sleep

uuh, I'd like to talk 1-on-1 with Kirino probably

hello

also I'm town