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Game Thread Breath of the Wild Mafia

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Morbid Minish

Spooky Scary Skeleton.
I think it is safe to assume we have a doctor and that they guessed correctly.
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I doubt the mafia would not go for a NK, and the flavor makes it seem like they tried to go for a kill.
However, the mafia may know that there is a doctor, and decided to not NK to make it seem like the doctor saved someone, therefore eliminating that person as a threat while they are in fact mafia, and all of this was planned beuase one of the mafia has an ability to see whom someone targeted
It just came to my attention that maybe the mafia didn't NK because they knew we weren't at all close in our votes from day 1, and they just wanted to info starve us as we chase false leads...

This seems like a lot of weird speculation to me. I get trying to figure out what happened at night, but this many flip-flopping posts on what happened doesn't do town any good and just causes confusion. The first post about a doctor was decent speculation, but then the rest is just pretty unlikely.

It had to be a Doctor, not sure if a roleblock would really work to prevent a Mafia faction kill?

I think funnier already pointed it out, but yeah roleblocks typically always block a faction kill (unless it's interfered with some other way).

This to me heavily conveys that there was a lightning rod. To me it is very unlikely that both the mafia and a probable SKs kills would both go awry and this flavor seems to give the reason why. If you happen to know that your action definitely went through and that this theory isn’t true it’d be helpful if you could subtly mention it.

I think this is a solid theory on what happened last night. I feel like Pendio does usually tend to sneak a few hints into his flavor posts, and the storm feels like one of those.

I don't think pushing Tristan's lynch is a good reason for suspecting All Might; if anything, I think it's unlikely that a Mafia member would push so strongly for a town lynch and draw so much attention to himself.

I agree, that just doesn't seem like scum All Might. It's unusual at all for him to be that active and voting day 1, so I don't think he would do it as scum. I'll admit that I was a bit iffy on him day 1 because I didn't agree with his reasoning at all on the rvs votes, but it just seems pretty risky for scum to push the lynch that strongly.

Considering that so many people targeted funnier last night, the Lightning Rod thesis isn't too farfetched. I'd wager that there's a JoaT-type role or maybe even a Dreaming God (someone who can affect the weather and disrupt the other roles). If that's the case, then the Doc most likely protected funnier.

This quote also screams All Might to me. This is what was missing from the previous game when he was scum. It also makes a lot of sense and backs up the lightning rod theory.

Though I still remain a bit skeptical as the lightning rod is an uncommon role.

It actually seems to be fairly common in Pendio's games. I know I was a lightning rod in Anime mafia and I think there was another lightning rod type role in X-Men mafia. Those are just the ones I can think of off the top of my head, but it's not exactly far-fetched. Especially since the theme is BotW and I feel like it would be sorta fitting with all the lightning storms in the game.

It IS possible that scum has a delayed kill or something, though. That seems a lot more likely to me. Less likely than the simple doc scenario unless we see 2+ kills tomorrow, though.

I highly doubt it would be a delayed kill, since that's very rarely seen. I think the only type of delayed kill I've seen mafia have is Poisoner, and in that case they still had their night kill as well.

Minish also feels kind of absent atm, idk if that's a scum pattern or not, though.

My activity kinda depends on if I'm around when there's a lot of discussion going on. A lot of times when I post it's when not very many others are on so I don't get into that set of back and forths and instead have to reply in wall-posts.

This impression is strengthened by the fact that I have at least slight town reads on 3 out of 4 of her suspects (All Might, Koki, funnier).

I'm curious as to why you have a town lean on Kokirion. I understand the other two, but tbh I have a hard time reading Kokirion in the first place and aren't sure why you're leaning town for him.


I'm going to have to re-read day 1 to get a better sense of my reads. A lot of craziness with votes happened near eod when I wasn't around so I'm gonna have to try and sort all of that out. I think it's a little weird how many people were trying to name possible scum teams on day 1 with nothing to go off of, so I feel like that might be a good place to start looking. I dunno, but to me that usually seems like a scum tactic to leave some breadcrumbs to push later on.
 

Spiritual Mask Salesman

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I’m wanting to know what exactly you found suspicious about all might yesterday since he was the only person you found suspicious but the only reason I saw you give was that he was stirring things up about RVS votes. Considering he got discussion started and drew loads of attention to himself I don’t understand how you could possibly seen that mafia behavior. Aside from he was getting all hung up over word choice for nothing but that’s very typical of him. I’m also wanting to know how you feel about Sadia and if you’re going to vote all might again.

Vote: SMS
Out of the players yesterday All Might seemed the most suspicious to me. Yeah he was more outgoing in this Day 1 than on Day 1 in the previous game, but like I menetioned that doesn't automatically give him a town pass in my book. I'll admit that today I'm not so much focused on All Might, and I won't vote him again unless he gives me reason to today, like if he tries steering us toward another mislynch. As for Sadia, I've only ever played Mafia with her once and it was years ago, so I don't have any solid reads on her.

Your only meaningful post yesterday was mentioning you were suspicious of all might and then not even voting him until I said something which gives me the impression you were trying to be present without being present and only had a suspicion because you felt pressured to have one while trying to avoid being associated with the Mez wagon.
And you're looking too hard into it, I told everyone in the last game, and in games prior that I always wait until last minute to cast my votes on Day 1 whichever allignment I'm with. I could go find the quote for you but I'm not threatened by your pressure vote to get me talking.
 

Kirino

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You're being very defensive.

The "fact" that YOU have slight town reads on those three does not clear them whatsoever.

Sure is a good thing I never said that it does, then.

Could it be any more ironic that you are trying to throw me under the bus when you yourself did nothing but throw Tristan under the bus all day on Day 1, then flipped it around on Day 2 and acted like you were against pushing it? Who looks shadier now?

When did I act like I was against Tristan's lynch? When did I say that at all today? For someone that likes to accuse me of having no idea what's going and not reading posts, it seems like you completely made this up. As for who looks shadier now, I'm think it's still you.

In regards to my first post of the day, you've completely missed the point and made a random speculation instead. You then used that as "reasoning" to vote for me, making your "unaccompanied by deeper analysis, is indicative of scum, as it's often a low-effort way to attempt to attract town cred." post extremely ironic and pitiful.

Then tell me what your hidden deeper reasoning in that post is, then. As you said, I'm oblivious and pitiful, so my inferior brain is incapable of picking it up. Please deign to explain it to me.

All in all, summing up your post tells me you have no idea what is going on and you are oblivious to subtle hints. Please go back and read my posts, before you bother to respond.

wow what a devastating critique of me how will I ever recover

I'm curious as to why you have a town lean on Kokirion. I understand the other two, but tbh I have a hard time reading Kokirion in the first place and aren't sure why you're leaning town for him.

It's basically that I don't think he'd be this obvious as scum, given his strong push for Tristan's lynch and the timing of his vote. I think Koki's an experienced enough player to use this kind of WIFOM to his advantage, though, so this is admittedly a pretty weak read, with the other two being stronger.
 

kokirion

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Something else I wanted to mention:

ALIT repeatedly defended Tristan on day 1. At the time I believed he may be trying to support his scumbud, but that was proven false after Tristan flipped town. What does bother me, is that ALIT now seems so eager to target anyone who was on the Tristan bandwagon. Sure, I would not consider each and every player on that wagon as certainly town, but I still see the Tristan lynch itself as a solid (yet unfortunate) choice, and not a stand-alone reason for suspicion. Some part of me wonders about the following scenario. If ALIT would be scum, he would've known from the beginning that Tristan was town. Maybe him defending Tristan was not an attempt to save a scumbud, but rather an attempt to gain town credit after day 1? And now by having the higher moral ground since he believed in Tristan's innocence from the beginning, targeting voters on the Tristan bandwagon would allow for an easy kill? Especially Kirino would be an easy target, since he also did not post much.
Now, I'm not saying ALIT is scum. Actually, his accusation against Kirino for not having posted much anyway is legitimate, but I can also imagine that Kirino is now simply an easy target.
 

Kirino

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It seems that Flora, Sadia, and ALIT all defended Tristan Day 1, and are now attempting to go after those who voted for him. I think it's definitely unlikely that all of them are scum, since I'm sure they wouldn't all follow the same tactic, but I'm very confident that one of them is. Though I'm curious, @kokirion, why you're going after ALIT in particular. Do you also find Flora and Sadia suspicious, given the facts in my post concerning them?
 

Lily

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You're being very defensive.



Sure is a good thing I never said that it does, then.



When did I act like I was against Tristan's lynch? When did I say that at all today? For someone that likes to accuse me of having no idea what's going and not reading posts, it seems like you completely made this up. As for who looks shadier now, I'm think it's still you.



Then tell me what your hidden deeper reasoning in that post is, then. As you said, I'm oblivious and pitiful, so my inferior brain is incapable of picking it up. Please deign to explain it to me.



wow what a devastating critique of me how will I ever recover



It's basically that I don't think he'd be this obvious as scum, given his strong push for Tristan's lynch and the timing of his vote. I think Koki's an experienced enough player to use this kind of WIFOM to his advantage, though, so this is admittedly a pretty weak read, with the other two being stronger.

This whole post just brought a smile to my face. I don't think scum would get so worked up in a response to me, and I'll happily claim even though I feel I've already softed quite enough. If it makes you feel better. :hug:
 

Spiritual Mask Salesman

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It seems that Flora, Sadia, and ALIT all defended Tristan Day 1, and are now attempting to go after those who voted for him. I think it's definitely unlikely that all of them are scum, since I'm sure they wouldn't all follow the same tactic, but I'm very confident that one of them is. Though I'm curious, @kokirion, why you're going after ALIT in particular. Do you also find Flora and Sadia suspicious, given the facts in my post concerning them?
Well out of the three I'm less worried about Flora, just throwing my two cents in. Sadia did say she would suspect everyone on All Mights wagon as potential scum candidates except herself if All Might was lynched and turned out to be town.
 

kokirion

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It seems that Flora, Sadia, and ALIT all defended Tristan Day 1, and are now attempting to go after those who voted for him. I think it's definitely unlikely that all of them are scum, since I'm sure they wouldn't all follow the same tactic, but I'm very confident that one of them is. Though I'm curious, @kokirion, why you're going after ALIT in particular. Do you also find Flora and Sadia suspicious, given the facts in my post concerning them?
That’s a good question. I’ll elaborate on that.

Flora defended Tristan and is now voting for All Might, who was on the Tristan bangs wagon. Yet, she already voted for All Might yesterday long before the Tristan wagon became of any real significance. Her voting today for All Might again is rather a continuation of what she already did on the first day. She seems to be more focussed on the individual than on the Tristan bandwagon in specific.
Nonetheless, I find her attack on All Might rather weak. She also only ever made a single post in which she explained her reasons for voting him and she later called it following her “gut feeling”, which I find a remarkably weak base for continuing her vote on to today (while pretending that is the most natural thing in the world).

Until you mentioned it, I did not really consider Sadia a defendant of Tristan. She barely gave her opinion on the matter. She only later decided that she was more interested in lynching All Might than in Tristan. Plus, she has not yet posted anything this second day. So far she hasn’t really actively chased after the people on the Tristan bandwagon.
When I looked at her posts again, one thing did stand out, however:

If Tristan flips town, I'll be suspicious of All Might, Kirino, funnier, and possibly Kokirion but not really

If Tristan is scum, I'd be suspicious of those on the All Might bandwagon except me :)
This post was quite scummy. It is indeed easy to sit back, to not support the leading lynch and to only weakly support the alternative while threatening the people that dare to take a more proactive stance that they will be suspicious if they later turn out to be wrong.

It’s good that you mentioned Sadia, I will remember what she said.

Nonetheless, I see ALIT’s case as somewhat different from that of Flora and Sadia. Flora focusses only on a specific person, and started with that long before the Tristan bandwagon became a big thing. Sadia was only half involved with defending Tristan, and made a “threat” but did not yet follow up on it. ALIT, at the other hand, very strongly defended Tristan at the time, and seems to be chasing after multiple people who only have in common that they voted for Tristan.
 

Pen

The game is on!
Day 2 Current Vote Tally:
All Might - 1 (Flora)
Kirino - 1 (A Link In Time)
Spiritual Mask Salesman - 1 (funnier6)
A Link In Time - 1 (Rubik)
Flora - 1 (Kirino)

Not voting - PancakeSamurai, Sadia, YIGAhim, Spiritual Mask Salesman, All Might, Minish_Link, kokirion

With 12 players alive it takes 7 for a majority lynch. Otherwise the day ends on Sunday, July 29th 2018 at 7:00 PM EST. Countdown: https://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20180729T19&p0=43&msg=End+of+Day+2&font=slab&csz=1

Post count (player not mentioned have already made the required 3 posts):
@PancakeSamurai - 0
@Sadia - 0
funnier6 - 2
All Might - 2
Minish_Link - 1
 

Spiritual Mask Salesman

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Nonetheless, I see ALIT’s case as somewhat different from that of Flora and Sadia. Flora focusses only on a specific person, and started with that long before the Tristan bandwagon became a big thing. Sadia was only half involved with defending Tristan, and made a “threat” but did not yet follow up on it. ALIT, at the other hand, very strongly defended Tristan at the time, and seems to be chasing after multiple people who only have in common that they voted for Tristan.
So what's your point? A bit of a drop of there. Are you saying you think the best option is to lynch ALiT? Or that atleast he is your prime suspect?
 

YIGAhim

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This seems like a lot of weird speculation to me. I get trying to figure out what happened at night, but this many flip-flopping posts on what happened doesn't do town any good and just causes confusion. The first post about a doctor was decent speculation, but then the rest is just pretty unlikely.



I think funnier already pointed it out, but yeah roleblocks typically always block a faction kill (unless it's interfered with some other way).



I think this is a solid theory on what happened last night. I feel like Pendio does usually tend to sneak a few hints into his flavor posts, and the storm feels like one of those.



I agree, that just doesn't seem like scum All Might. It's unusual at all for him to be that active and voting day 1, so I don't think he would do it as scum. I'll admit that I was a bit iffy on him day 1 because I didn't agree with his reasoning at all on the rvs votes, but it just seems pretty risky for scum to push the lynch that strongly.



This quote also screams All Might to me. This is what was missing from the previous game when he was scum. It also makes a lot of sense and backs up the lightning rod theory.



It actually seems to be fairly common in Pendio's games. I know I was a lightning rod in Anime mafia and I think there was another lightning rod type role in X-Men mafia. Those are just the ones I can think of off the top of my head, but it's not exactly far-fetched. Especially since the theme is BotW and I feel like it would be sorta fitting with all the lightning storms in the game.



I highly doubt it would be a delayed kill, since that's very rarely seen. I think the only type of delayed kill I've seen mafia have is Poisoner, and in that case they still had their night kill as well.



My activity kinda depends on if I'm around when there's a lot of discussion going on. A lot of times when I post it's when not very many others are on so I don't get into that set of back and forths and instead have to reply in wall-posts.



I'm curious as to why you have a town lean on Kokirion. I understand the other two, but tbh I have a hard time reading Kokirion in the first place and aren't sure why you're leaning town for him.


I'm going to have to re-read day 1 to get a better sense of my reads. A lot of craziness with votes happened near eod when I wasn't around so I'm gonna have to try and sort all of that out. I think it's a little weird how many people were trying to name possible scum teams on day 1 with nothing to go off of, so I feel like that might be a good place to start looking. I dunno, but to me that usually seems like a scum tactic to leave some breadcrumbs to push later on.
fair enough
 

funnier6

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Kay back from my traumatic wonderful day at work and ready to reply to posts!! Send help!!!
@funnier6 There isn't much to quote, considering he has barely any posts. I said what I needed to - his posts are very few and he doesn't have much going for him other than casing Tristan, which turned out to be a mislynch, so I want to focus there on the wagon for now.
Well what you didn’t say was what actually makes that suspicious. I don’t him well enough to get a read in him easily but I feel like there are some points you could elaborate on cause it mostly feels like you’re scum reading him because he included you in a scum team theory.

Also just because you lynch town doesn’t make you scum. And just because you lynch scum doesn’t make you town. So I wanna see something deeper.
I agree with funnier, a subtle mention of storms in your post would be enough for me to believe in a lightning rod. The first person to post today claims it.

As for @A Link In Time

My initial thoughts were based off intuition, but Tristan's death pushed him forward for me. I did notice something else slightly suspicious Day 1. I'm not so skilled at quoting this particular event, but maybe someone else can find it? While the All Might and Tristan wagons filled, it was slightly ahead in All Might's favor. But kokirion put in his vote of Tristan to tie it up, afterwards he said something about Tristan and two others went crazy swapping their votes. I guess I also chose All Might due to the fact kokirion might have been trying to tie it up to force a No Lynch and save All Might, then the town finished Tristan?
I totally forgot why I quoted this but I did want to ask you. Was it you or was it me? If you know what I mean.
That said, kokirion reading me, Tristan, and funnier as a scum team bothers me more today now that Tristan has flipped town.
If you’re town why shouldn’t it have bothered you if Mez was scum?
Seems less likely than the doc hitting correctly. I doubt we have doc + bodyguard + lightning rod in a single setup (and if we did, scum would probably have a strongman to get through it or something), otherwise that's too much protection.

It IS possible that scum has a delayed kill or something, though. That seems a lot more likely to me. Less likely than the simple doc scenario unless we see 2+ kills tomorrow, though.
I find the first scenario much more likely than the second. That’s a bit out there for a Pendio game.
I still kind of want to either pressure or kill ALiT, though.

Vote: A Link in Time
I remember I asked you for thoughts and I feel like you gave them but I went back and didn’t see any so if you did feel free to quote but, I’d this vote for what alit has said before your last vote or after?
Vote: Flora
I know how you’re not big on claims (or maybe my memory has failed me again) but rn I believe her and don’t see why anyone else shouldn’t.
Many PRs have nothing to do with night actions, and it's more likely that a minor PR would answer the question, which would still give the Mafia information and help them narrow things down.
Well looks like that’s no longer needed anyway.
This seems like a lot of weird speculation to me. I get trying to figure out what happened at night, but this many flip-flopping posts on what happened doesn't do town any good and just causes confusion. The first post about a doctor was decent speculation, but then the rest is just pretty unlikely.



I think funnier already pointed it out, but yeah roleblocks typically always block a faction kill (unless it's interfered with some other way).



I think this is a solid theory on what happened last night. I feel like Pendio does usually tend to sneak a few hints into his flavor posts, and the storm feels like one of those.



I agree, that just doesn't seem like scum All Might. It's unusual at all for him to be that active and voting day 1, so I don't think he would do it as scum. I'll admit that I was a bit iffy on him day 1 because I didn't agree with his reasoning at all on the rvs votes, but it just seems pretty risky for scum to push the lynch that strongly.



This quote also screams All Might to me. This is what was missing from the previous game when he was scum. It also makes a lot of sense and backs up the lightning rod theory.



It actually seems to be fairly common in Pendio's games. I know I was a lightning rod in Anime mafia and I think there was another lightning rod type role in X-Men mafia. Those are just the ones I can think of off the top of my head, but it's not exactly far-fetched. Especially since the theme is BotW and I feel like it would be sorta fitting with all the lightning storms in the game.



I highly doubt it would be a delayed kill, since that's very rarely seen. I think the only type of delayed kill I've seen mafia have is Poisoner, and in that case they still had their night kill as well.



My activity kinda depends on if I'm around when there's a lot of discussion going on. A lot of times when I post it's when not very many others are on so I don't get into that set of back and forths and instead have to reply in wall-posts.



I'm curious as to why you have a town lean on Kokirion. I understand the other two, but tbh I have a hard time reading Kokirion in the first place and aren't sure why you're leaning town for him.


I'm going to have to re-read day 1 to get a better sense of my reads. A lot of craziness with votes happened near eod when I wasn't around so I'm gonna have to try and sort all of that out. I think it's a little weird how many people were trying to name possible scum teams on day 1 with nothing to go off of, so I feel like that might be a good place to start looking. I dunno, but to me that usually seems like a scum tactic to leave some breadcrumbs to push later on.
How do you feel about SMS right now?
I'll admit that today I'm not so much focused on All Might, and I won't vote him again unless he gives me reason to today, like if he tries steering us toward another mislynch.
Lol for one thing that’s a very town thing for him to do and for another thing that’s a useless way to read someone. “Oh hey you, mafia member, I’m town reading you right now, but if you vote town I’m so going after you!” It just doesn’t make sense.
And you're looking too hard into it, I told everyone in the last game, and in games prior that I always wait until last minute to cast my votes on Day 1 whichever allignment I'm with. I could go find the quote for you but I'm not threatened by your pressure vote to get me talking.
Actually it isn’t pressure. I legitimately feel like you’re a good lynch today. I do appreciate the talking though.
Then tell me what your hidden deeper reasoning in that post is, then. As you said, I'm oblivious and pitiful, so my inferior brain is incapable of picking it up. Please deign to explain it to me.
I didn’t get it either at first but if you look closely at her post I quoted I think you’ll see it.
If ALIT would be scum, he would've known from the beginning that Tristan was town. Maybe him defending Tristan was not an attempt to save a scumbud, but rather an attempt to gain town credit after day 1
You’re like, taking the evidence to fit your theory. “If ALIT is scum, maybe this is why he did it.” Well either he or he isn’t and unless you happen to feel that he was attempting gain town cred, thus he’s scum, I see no point here. ALIT is scum, thus he was trying to gain town cred, isn’t an argument.
Now, I'm not saying ALIT is scum
Then who are you saying is scum? Who are you going to vote? Have you any town reads?
This post was quite scummy. It is indeed easy to sit back, to not support the leading lynch and to only weakly support the alternative while threatening the people that dare to take a more proactive stance that they will be suspicious if they later turn out to be wrong.
Yeah okay, “the post is scummy” the question is, is Sadia scummy? I feel like most of what you’ve been saying is just pointing out “scummy” things and waiting for someone else to vote them for it so you can say you saw it the whole time and join in.
fair enough
Have you nothing to actually contribute? Who are you going to vote? Me again?
 

Lily

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Flora defended Tristan and is now voting for All Might, who was on the Tristan bangs wagon. Yet, she already voted for All Might yesterday long before the Tristan wagon became of any real significance. Her voting today for All Might again is rather a continuation of what she already did on the first day. She seems to be more focussed on the individual than on the Tristan bandwagon in specific.
Nonetheless, I find her attack on All Might rather weak. She also only ever made a single post in which she explained her reasons for voting him and she later called it following her “gut feeling”, which I find a remarkably weak base for continuing her vote on to today (while pretending that is the most natural thing in the world).

Excuse me for attempting to stick to my thoughts. Seeing as you, like Kirino, also voted Tristan and were wrong, where do you stand now?

A good half of the players are lurking, yet the active ones seem fixated on me. I have a very slight town lean on Kirino due to his response earlier. However, I have a slight scum read on kokirion due to his tie up vote on Tristan before everyone just threw votes in.

I totally forgot why I quoted this but I did want to ask you. Was it you or was it me? If you know what I mean.

That reminds me is anyone going to claim lightning rod? I'm giving it one more shot before I consider it useless.
 

funnier6

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Excuse me for attempting to stick to my thoughts. Seeing as you, like Kirino, also voted Tristan and were wrong, where do you stand now?

A good half of the players are lurking, yet the active ones seem fixated on me. I have a very slight town lean on Kirino due to his response earlier. However, I have a slight scum read on kokirion due to his tie up vote on Tristan before everyone just threw votes in.



That reminds me is anyone going to claim lightning rod? I'm giving it one more shot before I consider it useless.
I’m going to take to mean you, which means emiya only attempted to target me. Anyway I think that’s quite unnecessary and would be kept around for someone else’s use. Can’t exactly stop you though.
 
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