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I thought your theory was that they were different Ganondorfs? Maybe I misunderstood.Well, that is my theory.
I thought your theory was that they were different Ganondorfs? Maybe I misunderstood.Well, that is my theory.
BotW Link and Zelda are referred to by name; OoT Link and Zelda are referred to as ''the hero''/''the princess'', though, IIRC.That's what I was referring to, Bowsette. Quickly flipping through the Creating a Champion book, I don't see the text treating anyone as multiple entities. If I missed something on my flip through, I'm happy to be corrected, but everyone, including Link and Zelda, are treated as singular entities. So, I don't think it's a good basis to make evidence on.
Edit: There is page 20, but that has more to due with helping people connect the blue tunic to Link, instead of the customary green. The point still stands.
My theory states that the TotK Ganondorf is the original, and that the seal placed on him was disturbed in MC, allowing the later iterations to be born/created, which is why his forces seek to resurrect him, rather than wait for the reincarnation cycle.I thought your theory was that they were different Ganondorfs? Maybe I misunderstood.
I Whole Heartedly have to agree with This P.O.V.My theory states that the TotK Ganondorf is the original, and that the seal placed on him was disturbed in MC, allowing the later iterations to be born/created, which is why his forces seek to resurrect him, rather than wait for the reincarnation cycle.
Sorry if I'm rather late to the conversation but, why hasn't anyone taken note of the giant hole punctured below the mummified Ganondorf's sternum at the beginning of TotK? Take note of the larger hole in the middle [rather than the smaller ones around said puncture], I've read an interesting theory that it could be the fatal blow delivered to Ganondorf in TP (perhaps from the Sage's sword or the Master Sword).And the CT makes no sense.
Then Demise is just a completely separate thing?My theory states that the TotK Ganondorf is the original, and that the seal placed on him was disturbed in MC, allowing the later iterations to be born/created, which is why his forces seek to resurrect him, rather than wait for the reincarnation cycle.
Sorry if I'm rather late to the conversation but, why hasn't anyone taken note of the giant hole punctured below the mummified Ganondorf's sternum at the beginning of TotK? Take note of the larger hole in the middle [rather than the smaller ones around said puncture], I've read an interesting theory that it could be the fatal blow delivered to Ganondorf in TP (perhaps from the Sage's sword or the Master Sword).
I think this is unlikely but maybe it could work. So the canon timeline goes Twilight Princess and then Four Swords Adventure. FSA has a different Ganondorf than TP: what needs to happen is that Hyrule Kingdom needs to be "destroyed" enough to spark a refounding, and this refounding has to occur centuries after FSA after an unseen event destroys the kingdom.So my hypothesis is that the Ganondorf from TotK is the same Ganondorf from TP; however I'm not particularly sure how he could've been preserved from TP other than a certain sage *cough!* *cough!* Rauru *cough!* *cough!* subdueing the man himself so that he could not harm anyone else (as he did break through the shackles during his execution and kill a few Sages).
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Sorry if I'm rather late to the conversation but, why hasn't anyone taken note of the giant hole punctured below the mummified Ganondorf's sternum at the beginning of TotK? Take note of the larger hole in the middle [rather than the smaller ones around said puncture], I've read an interesting theory that it could be the fatal blow delivered to Ganondorf in TP (perhaps from the Sage's sword or the Master Sword).View attachment 73658
So my hypothesis is that the Ganondorf from TotK is the same Ganondorf from TP; however I'm not particularly sure how he could've been preserved from TP other than a certain sage *cough!* *cough!* Rauru *cough!* *cough!* subdueing the man himself so that he could not harm anyone else (as he did break through the shackles during his execution and kill a few Sages).
I also support this theory and a Pre-Skyward Sword Hyrule kingdom.Well, that is my theory.
Yes, just like they were in the Oracle games.so when Koume and Kotake died in OOT and went to the other realm, they were reborn in T.O.T.K past?
why hasn't anyone taken note of the giant hole punctured below the mummified Ganondorf's sternum at the beginning of TotK? Take note of the larger hole in the middle [rather than the smaller ones around said puncture], I've read an interesting theory that it could be the fatal blow delivered to Ganondorf in TP (perhaps from the Sage's sword or the Master Sword).
So my hypothesis is that the Ganondorf from TotK is the same Ganondorf from TP; however I'm not particularly sure how he could've been preserved from TP other than a certain sage *cough!* *cough!* Rauru *cough!* *cough!* subdueing the man himself so that he could not harm anyone else (as he did break through the shackles during his execution and kill a few Sages).
Then Demise is just a completely separate thing?
GZ I found the contradiction in your theorizing!!Then Demise is just a completely separate thing?
I think this is unlikely but maybe it could work. So the canon timeline goes Twilight Princess and then Four Swords Adventure. FSA has a different Ganondorf than TP: what needs to happen is that Hyrule Kingdom needs to be "destroyed" enough to spark a refounding, and this refounding has to occur centuries after FSA after an unseen event destroys the kingdom.
Then there's the problem of how TP Ganondorf survived being stabbed through the chest. TotK Ganondorf does have bandages wrapped around his abdomen, but there's no sign of a gash. In Twilight Princess, a spirit of Ganondorf floats around the Twilight Realm, fueled by Zant's hatred. It is possible that Twilight Princess Ganondorf survived once again through this spirit form; no evidence for this, but possible. Then he somehow was revived in TotK's past (maybe by Koume and Kotake) which occurs after FSA. He also maybe was sealed after TP ends and then is unsealed later after FSA? Maybe by the Twilight Princess sages who remain?
So that's an SS--OoT--MM--TP--FSA--TotK past--BotW--TotK timeline.
If you watch the TotK cutscenes, however, it is clear that Rauru, by punching Ganondorf, created the gash in his chest, not TP Link's Master Sword. This placement also doesn't explain why the Triforce and Master Sword go unused in dealing with Ganon (which is normally a problem with the CT, but I digress).
So it's possible, I guess, but I'd say unlikely. I might have misunderstood the theory though.
Check out Demises "Asthetics"Then Demise is just a completely separate thing?
So If the Hero was "Defeated" in this timeline did Koume and Kotake infact die?Yes, just like they were in the Oracle games.
Whats your Explanation of the "Watarara" in OOT Manga then, Well before the events of Wind Waker?But this is what I'm saying, TotK past can't take place before Wind Waker because of the Rito. If the armor pieces in the Depths are canon, TotK has to be either a merged timeline or a linear timeline, and having two Rito tribes before Wind Waker doesn't make more sense then the developer quotes suggesting that TotK's past was a refounding after the destruction of the kingdom.
Fujibayashi, the game's director, translated by Nintendo Everything: “It is definitely a story after Breath of the Wild. After that, basically, we are thinking about how not to break the story and world of The Legend of Zelda. Those are the two points I can say at this point in time.
I think if it doesn’t collapse, fans can have the space to wonder various things like “So that means that is possible?”. If we only speak of the possibilities, if there is the story of Hyrule’s founding, it is also possible that Hyrule has collapsed in its history once before. I don’t randomly make things by saying “Isn’t it interesting if we did this here?”, so even for the parts we did not tell, I hope you enjoy imagining it."
But he's the origin of Ganondorf. It is his hatred and malice against the Goddess Hylia and her hero Link that causes the recurrence, unless his curse just falls flat.Demise has always been a separate entity from Ganondorf, linked primarily by the curse.
Yes, Demise is the source of Ganondorf. It is his hatred that created him. There wasn't a Ganondorf before Demise.Check out Demises "Asthetics"
Now Ganons Spirits "Asthetics" From Twillight Princess,
Ok, but that still wouldn't place TotK past before Demise.He literally is the "First Ganon" we see shove a rock on his head to copy the king he hates, "Raru the 1st King of Hyrule"
AFTER THIS POINT (T.O.T.K Past),
For the entire game series "Ganon" Has a Rock on his Fore-Head,
Proving t.o.t.k past is when he becomes the "Demon King "
the start of his Legacy.
I don't really buy into @TheLegendofGoose theory that TP Ganondorf is TotK Ganondorf. I think TotK Ganon being after OoT lost his gem when Link stabbed the Master Sword through his skull in WW.Riddle me this, if T.O.T.K PAST is Post "Twillight Princess" Why is this Ganon After OOT only just being introduced to the Gem-Forhead placement?
Even in the DT, Nabooru had to be freed as a sage so she could seal Ganondorf in the supposed final battle, and that can only happen if Link had defeated Koume and Kotake. The DT canonically happens when Ganondorf himself kills Link; we can change that if we don't want to resurrect Koume and Kotake, but we would be changing it and fanfiction-ing a way for Nabooru to escape Twinrova.So If the Hero was "Defeated" in this timeline did Koume and Kotake infact die?
In OOT we win defeating Koume and Kotake, and the outcome of the game is "Winning".
We do not see exactly what went down in game during the DT events of OOT.
The way I see it is, any time you die in OOT your "Game Over" results in a DT.
This perspective leaves "Koume" and "Kotake" alive and well in a DT. (OOA, OOS)
I don't think the Watarara are canon because they were written in a manga by third party sources.Whats your Explanation of the "Watarara" in OOT Manga then, Well before the events of Wind Waker?
Keeping in mind that we don't know how the curse functions, at a technical level.But he's the origin of Ganondorf. It is his hatred and malice against the Goddess Hylia and her hero Link that causes the recurrence, unless his curse just falls flat.