@Libk who do you think is more likely to be scum between myself and Jamie?
@Jamie second verse, same as the first, except I'm assuming you won't be stating yourself, so put Libk's name in place of your own in that sentence.
So, let's see... Day 2... let's start with Pen's question for me here:
@DekuNut what are your current suspicions and general thoughts? And what do you have to say about some people finding your vote on Storm/Tristan to be odd?
Suspicions are coming; Jamie's thoughts on my vote do make sense - I've been far from afraid to bus in the past. But at the same time, I feel like it was a legitimate vote. So... yeah, that's all I've got for that.
Let's get this out of the way real fast so we know where everyone stands.
At the end of the day, I can see why Mido was lynched. Tbh, I probably would've voted for him myself if I'd been here. Sad to see a bro go.
Anyways, time for a bit of wagonomics:
The vote order was Jamie, Pen, Minish and Bok.
Let's glance at their vote posts:
Okay, now I really really don't like this. I thought your post about Pendio was townie before but the fact that you brought it up even knowing it's irrelevant makes me feel like you were pretending you didn't know Tristan's alignment to gain town cred. This is really, really bad for me. Don't like you pointing this out at all.
Unvote
Vote: Mido
I feel like it's a slight overreaction, but I can see how he found it scummy.
No Johnny! Nooooo! D: You will be missed.
Out of all the votes on Tristan yesterday I think Mido's was the most odd one. Seemed like a vote that a fellow Mafia member would place in hopes of gaining town credibility. Everyone else on Tristan's bandwagon yesterday are leaning Town for me.
Some of the things that Jamie and Minish just pointed out about Mido make me further suspicious of him.
Vote: Mido
Pen, could you go more in-depth on your analysis of Mido's D1 vote? Was it anything more than the timing?
I figured he might just be impossible to read, but wanted to point all of that out just in case. But your point about him having a scum read on Libk being similar to other games where he's bussed other maf is interesting and the type of info I was looking for on the matter. It was a thought I had, but I dunno, I'm still leaning town for Libk.
I agree that Mido's vote on Tristan does feel odd. He and DekuNut are the ones I've felt most suspicious of in that hut, but his vote along with what I pointed out make me feel more suspicious of him than Deku right now.
Vote: Mido
Not a lot of detail in this vote. lots of agreeing with others - Pen, Jamie, etc. Why is it that
you find his vote on Tristan interesting, Minish? I would like to hear from both of you on this matter. And also, he may be worth looking into once we've found the scum that's in Hut 3.
Going back to Midos third post (which was a response to Dekus post saying how he has no idea how storm could have a read on Libk this early and his first post of substance) I noticed that Mido defended Storm about already having a read on Libk. Though unless there was any neighbourhood chat (which I strongly doubt since it was very early in the game) Libk had not made a single post yet so a read on him that early would be utterly impossible (unless he was scum which he turned out to be). I find the fact that he defended storms baseless read as a little suspicious.
As others have pointed out already, I'm not sure why Mido voted so late in the day when Storm/Tristan already had 5 votes against him and the day was almost over. It does seem like it might of been a last minute attempt to join the bandwagon and gain some town credit after disappearing for most of the day after the first post of his I quoted. Why not vote earlier in the day then? He specifically says that "early red flags lead me to this point, even if he himself did not raise them through his actions." If his earlier actions were what convinced you why vote then instead of when it was already too late for him.
This seems like a last minute attempt to distance himself from Storm possibly pretending that he doesn't know his alignment since Storm was already a sinking ship.
I'm going to post some more thoughts in abit about Mido but based off this and what I'll post shortly I'm getting a feeling that Mido is scum.
Vote Mido
I'd like to hear Dekus thoughts on the matter before the day ends as he is the only one in neighbourhood 3 yet to make a post today
As far as I'm aware, Bok is the first to make reference to Mido's post 3 in this way, which I like. His vote gets my support.
So, out of the four votes on Mido, I find Minish's the worst.
As for Libk's vote...
I never disagreed with on you on focusing on one neighborhood at a time. All I was trying to do was get a clarification from you which you never gave. I explained how both strategies work out in worst case scenario for town and asked you if you thought we should spread our focus instead of just going one neighborhood at a time if mafia follows our strategy of one at a time. YOU YOURSELF SAID WE SHOULD DO THE OPPOSITE STRATEGY OF SCUM. All I was saying was that we needed to wait to see what mafia would do in order to know what strategy we should use. And you're taking that as disagreeing about a strategy that we honestly couldn't commit to until we knew how scum would play their night phase? That makes no sense to me.
The fact you said that we need to do the opposite of what scum is going to do, AND said we should focus on one neighborhood at a time as if you knew for sure scum would spread out, AND you said we shouldn't play adaptively, that doesn't sit right with me. Disagreeing with me about playing adaptively when you suggested we play the opposite strategy of scum, that's a contradiction. The only way to play opposite strategy of scum is to go through a night phase. There's no way you could know scum plans were to spread out unless you are scum and know their strategy.
Now that said, they have to focus on clearing out the confirmed. So are we going to play opposite their strategy now? Or are we going to clear another neighborhood out?
So yeah I agree Mido is a bit strange there as well, but I still stand by a koki lynch.
Vote: Kokirion
You never replied to the following post by Koki:
In that case we simply both misunderstood each other there. I did indeed get the feeling you disagreed. And I never said we always have to do the opposite of what scum is doing, in that case you did not understand me either. I said that the best tactic for the scum is to spread the damage. The better tactic for the town and the worst for scum is to focuss on one neighbourhood at the time. So we should play the tactic opposite of the one the mafia would prefer. And now we see we are forcing them to join us. With those confirmed townies they have to stick to killing them till they are gone. Their spreading tactic is already dead. In their best scenario, we would not have hit scum on day 1.
I didn't respond to that question because I did not get it, because apparently you did not get me either, and we have already made our points about that discussion countless of times. It doesn't matter to keep repeating that if we don't change our minds. Our points have been made, so I left it.
What're your thoughts on this? Does this reduce your suspicion of him? Or is he continuing to misunderstand you?
