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Hey y'all. I haven't been here in a while, and I certainly have never made a thread here. However, the only area in the forums that I regularly lurked were the theories section. It was great fun for me to read all the debates between people here. When I first discovered the forums two summers ago, I went through basically every good timeline thread that had been written here. Much of my influence came from Caleb, of Asui's big ol' timeline discussion thread, where you all placed the games one by one into an order (a split timeline.) Whenever I talk about "my timeline," I'm really talking about that one, and some influence from others, like Mr. Mosley.
Without further ado, here's a good quote:
This is basically how I feel about the new timeline. I applaud Nintendo for trying. It's a start. But I don't think the 2D games are getting the love they deserve. so we're strip Nintendo's timeline back down to what is generally accepted. (I'll put SS in there too, even though I'm not done playing through it.)
------/--WW/PH--ST
SS--OoT
------\MM--TP
Even Nintendo agrees with this. In my opinion, the AT is done, so in order to make this less messy, I'm gonna omit the AT until the very end.
SS--OoT/MM--TP
That's clean. Now back to the so-called "DT." I feel that any timeline can be explained away with "New Ganon/revived Ganon." Therefore, you could really put all the games in any which order, and still kinda be able to prove it. That's why I feel that an "alternate universe" situation can be avoided, if you allow a new Ganondorf. He died in TP, but he has a spiritual successor of sorts in FSA. Even Nintendo agrees with this. So FSA comes after TP, with a new Dorfy.
SS--OoT/MM--TP--FSA
I don't care what they say, FSA is a direct sequel to FS, and ages pass between MC and FS. In FSA's intro video, the term used is "Ages flowed by" between MC and FS. Then the intro tells that Zelda's childhood friend Link defeated Vaati, who had broken free. Rarely do they mention Link by name inside of a game. The next scene shows Zelda calling Link by name in a dream. Then the game begins. Also, I used to argue against putting MC at the beginning, since OoT had held that honor, but now that SS comes before, I don't have a problem with it. I would like to keep the CT as short as possible, based on Occam's Razor, so in the "Ages [that] flowed by," why couldn't other stories occur? Here we go:
SS--MC--OoT/MM--TP--FS/FSA
That's the first half of the CT, including relatively new games. In fact, you could almost consider the FSX games to be a reboot, since there is a new Ganondorf. He steals the Trident, but then is defeated and sealed inside the Four Sword. The fact that you fought him as "Ganon" the pig doesn't matter. I think it was kinda like in OoT when Ganondorf assumed the Pig Form as a last ditch effort. So Ganondorf is sealed within the Four Sword. Also, the Dark World from FSA is not the same as the one from ALttP, since FSA is not the Seal War.
The second half of the CT (in my book) consists of the "Downfall Timeline."
[SW]--ALttP/LA--[sleeping Zelda]--LoZ/AoL--OoX
First is the Seal War, which is neither OoT nor FSA. ALttP follows up on the Seal War, and Ganon dies. LA fits nicely right afterwards. Ganon (not Dorf) is somehow revived for LoZ, then he gets killed again. His minions attempt to revive him once more in AoL, but fail. There is another plot to revive Ganon in OoX, but it fails too. Now on the subject of the Sleeping Zelda Legend from AoL, I believe that this happens after ALttP. I know that the legend said this, "From then on, all princesses of Hyrule were to be named Zelda." One might think that that places the legend before every other game, but no. Maybe in every game before there was a princess Zelda, but doesn't mean that her mother or daughter was also named Zelda.
Now if we put the two halves together:
SS--MC--OoT/MM--TP--FS/FSA--[Oddity]/[SW]--ALttP/LA--[Sleeping Zelda]--LoZ/AoL--OoX
In development, FSA was to be the SW, but that fell through. Between the two halves of the CT, something has to happen. At the end of FSA, Ganondorf is sealed within the Four Sword. In the Seal War, he is a leader of thieves who wished on the Triforce but is then sealed within his corrupted Sacred Realm. Something Odd has to happen between these two. Ganon goes from the Four Sword to thief leader to Dark World. Here's a possibility, using ideas from the GBA remake of ALttP:
The Four Sword (with Ganondorf sealed) is moved to the Sacred Realm for safety. Ganondorf, fully conscious within the Four Sword, and still in control of the Trident, manages to control a remaining Shadow Link to appear within the Palace of the Four Sword and draw the blade (this Shadow Link splits into four and you can fight him on the GBA). He is now free! Kinda. He roams the Sacred Realm for ages, and eventually, he finally discovers an exit back to the real world. He settles in with a race of evil thieves, of which he becomes the leader. He hears about the Legend of the Triforce that is in the Sacred Realm, but out of complete chance, he finds the opening to the Sacred Realm again, and you can read the rest here: Clicky Clicky.
That's my little fan-fiction. It could have happened.![:D :D :D](/forum/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/teethsmile.gif)
--------------/--WW/PH--ST
SS--TMC--OoT
--------------\MM--TP--FS/FSA--[?+SW]--ALttP/LA--[AoL BS]--LoZ/AoL--OoX
That's the timeline I've always believed in.
-------------------------------/--WW/PH--ST
SS--[AoL BS]--TMC/FS--OoT
----------------------------|--\MM--TP--FSA
----------------------------\[SW, OoT is the SW in this Timeline]--AlttP/OoX/LA--LoZ/AoL
And this is Nintedo's new official royal bow-down-to-me-or-be-shunned-by-my-blind-followers timeline of epic sauce, or something. Well, I don't accept it. Shun me!
I acknowledge its presence, and I respect those that wish to be loyal to it. However, if I ever argue for the Zelda Timeline, it will not be the Tri-Split, it will be the single split.
Quick note, Link doesn't know Zelda in OoX, so it couldn't be a direct sequel to ALttP.
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Alright, hack away! To be honest, there are a few games I haven't played, for example FSA, and a lot of my timeline linking is based on that. But please, no back-handed comments about how some ZeldaDungeoners are stupid for not accepting the official timeline. Also, keep in mind I haven't been part of this forum community in while.
Hack away! :yes:
Without further ado, here's a good quote:
I don't think that the full explanation has reached the general Western Zelda comminity, however it seems like the "Downfall Timeline" is the events that take place if/when OoT Link is defeated by Ganondorf in the future.
It is possible to claim that the DT is a "what if"-story and that the Classics have been abandoned. It is also possible to argue that the AT and the CT are the "what ifs", for the Classic games existed prior to OoT. Another idea is that they are all equally "what if", for they are only fictional stories.
However, my view on this matter is like this:
These games exist in their own "superreality", i.e. the univsere where the stories of the Zeldaverse take place. They are not real, for they are only fiction. The games are, however, real to the in-game universe.
--------------------/---WW/PH---ST
SS---TMC/FS---OoT
--------------------\MM---TP---FSA
The DT exists in its own "hyperreality", i.e. they exist to themsemselves, but not to the general superreality of the normal games.
SS---TMC/FS---OoT---AlttP/OoX/LA---LoZ/AoL
tl;dr The DT is real to itself, but "less" real than the AT and the CT.
/Blue Window
This is basically how I feel about the new timeline. I applaud Nintendo for trying. It's a start. But I don't think the 2D games are getting the love they deserve. so we're strip Nintendo's timeline back down to what is generally accepted. (I'll put SS in there too, even though I'm not done playing through it.)
------/--WW/PH--ST
SS--OoT
------\MM--TP
Even Nintendo agrees with this. In my opinion, the AT is done, so in order to make this less messy, I'm gonna omit the AT until the very end.
SS--OoT/MM--TP
That's clean. Now back to the so-called "DT." I feel that any timeline can be explained away with "New Ganon/revived Ganon." Therefore, you could really put all the games in any which order, and still kinda be able to prove it. That's why I feel that an "alternate universe" situation can be avoided, if you allow a new Ganondorf. He died in TP, but he has a spiritual successor of sorts in FSA. Even Nintendo agrees with this. So FSA comes after TP, with a new Dorfy.
SS--OoT/MM--TP--FSA
I don't care what they say, FSA is a direct sequel to FS, and ages pass between MC and FS. In FSA's intro video, the term used is "Ages flowed by" between MC and FS. Then the intro tells that Zelda's childhood friend Link defeated Vaati, who had broken free. Rarely do they mention Link by name inside of a game. The next scene shows Zelda calling Link by name in a dream. Then the game begins. Also, I used to argue against putting MC at the beginning, since OoT had held that honor, but now that SS comes before, I don't have a problem with it. I would like to keep the CT as short as possible, based on Occam's Razor, so in the "Ages [that] flowed by," why couldn't other stories occur? Here we go:
SS--MC--OoT/MM--TP--FS/FSA
That's the first half of the CT, including relatively new games. In fact, you could almost consider the FSX games to be a reboot, since there is a new Ganondorf. He steals the Trident, but then is defeated and sealed inside the Four Sword. The fact that you fought him as "Ganon" the pig doesn't matter. I think it was kinda like in OoT when Ganondorf assumed the Pig Form as a last ditch effort. So Ganondorf is sealed within the Four Sword. Also, the Dark World from FSA is not the same as the one from ALttP, since FSA is not the Seal War.
The second half of the CT (in my book) consists of the "Downfall Timeline."
[SW]--ALttP/LA--[sleeping Zelda]--LoZ/AoL--OoX
First is the Seal War, which is neither OoT nor FSA. ALttP follows up on the Seal War, and Ganon dies. LA fits nicely right afterwards. Ganon (not Dorf) is somehow revived for LoZ, then he gets killed again. His minions attempt to revive him once more in AoL, but fail. There is another plot to revive Ganon in OoX, but it fails too. Now on the subject of the Sleeping Zelda Legend from AoL, I believe that this happens after ALttP. I know that the legend said this, "From then on, all princesses of Hyrule were to be named Zelda." One might think that that places the legend before every other game, but no. Maybe in every game before there was a princess Zelda, but doesn't mean that her mother or daughter was also named Zelda.
Now if we put the two halves together:
SS--MC--OoT/MM--TP--FS/FSA--[Oddity]/[SW]--ALttP/LA--[Sleeping Zelda]--LoZ/AoL--OoX
In development, FSA was to be the SW, but that fell through. Between the two halves of the CT, something has to happen. At the end of FSA, Ganondorf is sealed within the Four Sword. In the Seal War, he is a leader of thieves who wished on the Triforce but is then sealed within his corrupted Sacred Realm. Something Odd has to happen between these two. Ganon goes from the Four Sword to thief leader to Dark World. Here's a possibility, using ideas from the GBA remake of ALttP:
The Four Sword (with Ganondorf sealed) is moved to the Sacred Realm for safety. Ganondorf, fully conscious within the Four Sword, and still in control of the Trident, manages to control a remaining Shadow Link to appear within the Palace of the Four Sword and draw the blade (this Shadow Link splits into four and you can fight him on the GBA). He is now free! Kinda. He roams the Sacred Realm for ages, and eventually, he finally discovers an exit back to the real world. He settles in with a race of evil thieves, of which he becomes the leader. He hears about the Legend of the Triforce that is in the Sacred Realm, but out of complete chance, he finds the opening to the Sacred Realm again, and you can read the rest here: Clicky Clicky.
That's my little fan-fiction. It could have happened.
![:D :D :D](/forum/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/teethsmile.gif)
--------------/--WW/PH--ST
SS--TMC--OoT
--------------\MM--TP--FS/FSA--[?+SW]--ALttP/LA--[AoL BS]--LoZ/AoL--OoX
That's the timeline I've always believed in.
-------------------------------/--WW/PH--ST
SS--[AoL BS]--TMC/FS--OoT
----------------------------|--\MM--TP--FSA
----------------------------\[SW, OoT is the SW in this Timeline]--AlttP/OoX/LA--LoZ/AoL
And this is Nintedo's new official royal bow-down-to-me-or-be-shunned-by-my-blind-followers timeline of epic sauce, or something. Well, I don't accept it. Shun me!
![tongue :P :P](/forum/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/theme_icon3.gif)
Quick note, Link doesn't know Zelda in OoX, so it couldn't be a direct sequel to ALttP.
----
Alright, hack away! To be honest, there are a few games I haven't played, for example FSA, and a lot of my timeline linking is based on that. But please, no back-handed comments about how some ZeldaDungeoners are stupid for not accepting the official timeline. Also, keep in mind I haven't been part of this forum community in while.
Hack away! :yes: