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Alright, first off, let me tell you my purpose.
It seems to me that the town is split between two factions currently. Those who believe Viral Maze is lying, and those who are unsure, as he is providing some reasonable explanations as to what could have happened.
I am here to not only tell you the former is correct, but to show you. Let me first say that, yes. Viral Maze is indeed providing some reasonable explanations as to what could have happened. Never has he really attempted to refute my claim directly.
Now onto the examples.
I will be providing from my notes, my posts, and Viral Maze's posts.
First off, let me just interpret a few of Viral Maze's posts. His posts are inconsistent with his previous appearances in ZD Mafia games (assuming in the games he was a pro-town) He is normally very active in the investigations, and at some points leads investigations entirely. He normally plays very aggressively, and right now he is extraordinarily passive.
Alright, let's start here. Nothing interesting in particular, although he brings up a point he made in this post today.
The main thing here, is Viral Maze soft-claimed Bulletproof. He has yet to state whether or not this is a pro-town or anti-town role (and never really does) I personally believe this was him setting up a safeguard just in case he was in fact hit by me (or any other source) He could always reference this, he did say he was bulletproof. However, he never states which team he plays for. Whether or not you interpret him as being the Godfather, the Mafia Bulletproof (with the most likely scenario being that the actual Godfather is not bulletproof) or if he's the Town Bulletproof. Again, at this time, you decide.
This here confuses me. Well, actually it's really just interesting to me. Viral Maze is the only one that (to my knowledge) has played KOTOR2 other than myself, and Austin. (He stated in the sign ups he was rolling for HK-47, an assassin droid in the game) I posted my wall of text, and really the one thing that confused him was the ambiguous nightscene, and that was keeping him from voting. ALIT was a fellow mafia, obviously he wouldn't hop on board right away. Honestly, getting tripped up by the nightscene is realistic, it was extremely ambiguous, though honestly I think the nightscene itself keeping you from voting, rather than compelling evidence, is ... I don't even know.
I'll be referencing this post later. He says if ALIT flips scum, then I'm clear (I'm not using this to save myself, we'll be coming back to this later)
This is the nightscene from Night 2. For reference, I, being the Vigilante, targetted Viral Maze. Whether you question my reasoning for this target or not, that's irrelevant. My morals aren't yours. I had a hunch he wasn't bulletproof, and if he was, I can get this confirmed. In any case, the real thing we need to pay attention to is the bolded part.
The thing that is really pointed out here is the man has gray flesh. If you're familiar to KOTOR2, you'll also know that his gray flesh isn't coming back together simply to suit the role of the Bulletproof, you'd know why.
Let's explore this a bit.
I'd like to direct you to the character who I know fits this description perfectly. Darth Sion.
To the untrained eye, this could be written off as bulletproof. We don't know who this is. However, I do know who this is. Darth is a title used in the Sith to show a position of power, mainly used for those with force capabilities. The first thing I'd like to draw your attention to is his appearance. His skin is gray. Not only that, it is cracked all over the place. He almost looks undead. Let's explore the reason to this.
Sion in actuality, is dead. His spirit still lives in his body, which is decomposing. It is only held together via the power of the Dark Side of the Force. Huh, that would explain why after the explosion, his flesh was able to return to his body. The Dark Side. Dark Side. Sith. uh-oh!
Alright, this post is important. Let's go back to the first post I quoted, and then the second. First post is what he's referencing. He says he made it pretty clear he was bulletproof. Honestly, to me, without him having to actually point to that part, I just read it thinking he simply thought ALIT wasn't bulletproof, nothing more. Then he references it. "Hey, remember this? I'm bulletproof." He's using his safeguard to his advantage, trying to play off his death as "Oh, I'm the bulletproof, that's okay" Don't worry, he's not lying. He is bulletproof. Let's keep going.
He then accusses me of being serial killer. I can't name claim, so there's no real way for me to clear whether or not I'm serial killer (I assure you, I'm not.) But this is curious to me.
ALIT turned up scum. In theory, in VM's mind, I should be clear. I assume the second post was made with the thought that I won't be onto him for awhile. If his thought of me deteriorated over time, that'd make sense, but this is the very next day. Suddenly he's under fire, what makes Zenox not the serial killer? Let's be honest, even if I was the serial killer, we'd still be having this conversation. I would've targetted Viral Maze, he would've been saved by his ability, I would've realized from the night scene he's Darth Sion. But, again, I'm not.
Again, he confirms he's bulletproof here. He doesn't think I lied about targetting him, he thinks I just automatically assumed gray skin led to Darth Sion. Go ahead, find someone that fits that description. Even just gray skin. Is he an alien? Possibly. But Darth Sion being bulletproof, and able to come back in that exact same manner, it's all too convenient to be a coincidence.
His logic is pretty much exactly what I was testing. Is he really bulletproof? In my mind, the Godfather is bulletproof. If he really was bulletproof, it's possible he was the godfather, and the nightscene would confirm my thought process and we could be having the conversation we're having now.
To answer his question, I can choose to kill whenever I want. I have just been lucky enough to logically deduce and have hunches that have worked out so far.
This post is also important. Let's start off with the first line. He's not townie, he's trying to taunt me into questioning myself, or getting others on his side, blah blah blah, it's not going to work. I have no idea what question's he's talking about, to this very post.
However the third line is the most important. Reminder: he has confirmed not once, but twice he is bulletproof. I'd also like to remind you of his reasonings for soft-claiming he's bulletproof.
This was his logic behind it. Great logic, I decided to call him on the bulletproof thing. Worked out well for me. In any case, let's chat a sec.
He mentions a role called the Redirector. Let's quote Mafiascum wiki to try and figure out exactly what this means.
this might be a little confusing, so allow me to give you an example.
I'm the Vigilante, my role is to kill. Let's say Josh is the redirector. If he wanted someone murdered, hey Zenox is the redirector, let's use his night ability on someone else.
Josh would select me, then let's say he wanted Kybyrian gone. he would basically tell Austin
"Redirect Zenox's night ability onto Kybyrian instead"
I, instead of killing my target, would kill Kybyrian instead.
Pretty good theory he has. One problem though, I don't buy that for a second. There is no way he actually thinks a redirector is in this game. Reminder: He has confirmed now that he is bulletproof three times, and his logic worked out for him. Someone did try to call him on it. I did. Why would someone who has a very reasonable excuse for his survival, need to bring up the option of a Redirector throwing my kill somewhere else? I don't know, maybe he was worried his plan wasn't working, so he tried to say, yes Darth Sion was targetted, but Zenox didn't actually hit who he thinks he hit.
Some of you at this point may question whether or not there would be two bulletproof roles on the same team. I am accusing Viral Maze of being the Bulletproof Mafia, not the godfather. Honestly, you can think whatever you want. I honestly think there is no godfather, and at the very least, if there is, he isn't bulletproof. Or Austin's a ******* mod and had two bulletproofs on the same team. I like the first theory best. It's a theory, nonetheless, the real thing to get by this post is, why does he need to theorize how he survived, now that he has basically confirmed it thrice now?
Here he's batting off the accusation that he is the Redirector. Let me say there is no way he (or anyone else in this game for that matter) is the redirector. First off, he claimed "Jedi Indomitable". This is nitpicky, but he's being inconsistent. First off, my role never actually said I was the Vigilante, it just described the Vigilante. I'm actually the Jedi Assassin. He's saying his role actually said he was "townie bulletproof". Whether or not you interpret this as me being nitpicky, or our good friend VM doesn't have a Jedi role PM is up to you.
In any case. Stipulations to his bulletproof. Has he elaborated? Not really. I assume this is simply he can be lynched, but nightkills won't work. I'll let it slide. The real thing to note is he's sticking to the redirector thing. To him, this redirector thing is buying me time, great. Let's go with it. But, ah-ah-ah, you claimed bulletproof and at the beginning of this day was using that to explain your survival. Now you're trying to play off that some other sap got targetted and this is just a huuuuge misunderstanding.
bull****.
Alright, this is him, softclaiming townie this time. He's saying "yeah I'm bulletproof, I said it before and I'll say it again. I wasn't hit though, oh no, it was not me that was hit. Some other bulletproof sap was hit." Yeah ****ing right.
The thing you guys are all buying into is the fact that there is the slight possiblity that a Redirector is in this game. I honestly don't believe it. But hypothetically, what are the odds, that I targetted a softclaim bulletproof (Viral Maze), only for it to hit a bulletproof, but it's not Viral Maze. It's some other bulletproof. The odds of the redirector correctly guessing another bulletproof are next to none.
Again, this is assuming you do think a redirector is in this game. Let me reiterate: there is not.
So the main point of this is. First off, he plays that he's bulletproof, therefore he survived. But halfway through today he decides, but then again it's possible Zenox hit someone else.
Wait, you do realize you're not told that I targetted you, right? You would've been none the wiser that the redirector saved you. The redirector also wouldn't be told who I was targetting, just that they are using the ability I have on someone of their choosing.
Another thing, just food for thought in this one.
REDIRECTOR, PLEASE CLAIM
You successfully hit the Godfather, and saved us from confirming Viral Maze's bulletproof story. Please come forward, claim who you are and state who you targetted instead. They are very clearly either the Bulletproof Mafia, as I have been saying, or the Godfather, as Viral Maze has been saying.
Hopefully, VM, this plan seems logical to you?
It seems to me that the town is split between two factions currently. Those who believe Viral Maze is lying, and those who are unsure, as he is providing some reasonable explanations as to what could have happened.
I am here to not only tell you the former is correct, but to show you. Let me first say that, yes. Viral Maze is indeed providing some reasonable explanations as to what could have happened. Never has he really attempted to refute my claim directly.
Now onto the examples.
I will be providing from my notes, my posts, and Viral Maze's posts.
First off, let me just interpret a few of Viral Maze's posts. His posts are inconsistent with his previous appearances in ZD Mafia games (assuming in the games he was a pro-town) He is normally very active in the investigations, and at some points leads investigations entirely. He normally plays very aggressively, and right now he is extraordinarily passive.
Alright, let's start here. Nothing interesting in particular, although he brings up a point he made in this post today.
The main thing here, is Viral Maze soft-claimed Bulletproof. He has yet to state whether or not this is a pro-town or anti-town role (and never really does) I personally believe this was him setting up a safeguard just in case he was in fact hit by me (or any other source) He could always reference this, he did say he was bulletproof. However, he never states which team he plays for. Whether or not you interpret him as being the Godfather, the Mafia Bulletproof (with the most likely scenario being that the actual Godfather is not bulletproof) or if he's the Town Bulletproof. Again, at this time, you decide.
This here confuses me. Well, actually it's really just interesting to me. Viral Maze is the only one that (to my knowledge) has played KOTOR2 other than myself, and Austin. (He stated in the sign ups he was rolling for HK-47, an assassin droid in the game) I posted my wall of text, and really the one thing that confused him was the ambiguous nightscene, and that was keeping him from voting. ALIT was a fellow mafia, obviously he wouldn't hop on board right away. Honestly, getting tripped up by the nightscene is realistic, it was extremely ambiguous, though honestly I think the nightscene itself keeping you from voting, rather than compelling evidence, is ... I don't even know.
I'll be referencing this post later. He says if ALIT flips scum, then I'm clear (I'm not using this to save myself, we'll be coming back to this later)
This is the nightscene from Night 2. For reference, I, being the Vigilante, targetted Viral Maze. Whether you question my reasoning for this target or not, that's irrelevant. My morals aren't yours. I had a hunch he wasn't bulletproof, and if he was, I can get this confirmed. In any case, the real thing we need to pay attention to is the bolded part.
The thing that is really pointed out here is the man has gray flesh. If you're familiar to KOTOR2, you'll also know that his gray flesh isn't coming back together simply to suit the role of the Bulletproof, you'd know why.
Let's explore this a bit.
I'd like to direct you to the character who I know fits this description perfectly. Darth Sion.
To the untrained eye, this could be written off as bulletproof. We don't know who this is. However, I do know who this is. Darth is a title used in the Sith to show a position of power, mainly used for those with force capabilities. The first thing I'd like to draw your attention to is his appearance. His skin is gray. Not only that, it is cracked all over the place. He almost looks undead. Let's explore the reason to this.
Wookiepedia said:
Sion in actuality, is dead. His spirit still lives in his body, which is decomposing. It is only held together via the power of the Dark Side of the Force. Huh, that would explain why after the explosion, his flesh was able to return to his body. The Dark Side. Dark Side. Sith. uh-oh!
Alright, this post is important. Let's go back to the first post I quoted, and then the second. First post is what he's referencing. He says he made it pretty clear he was bulletproof. Honestly, to me, without him having to actually point to that part, I just read it thinking he simply thought ALIT wasn't bulletproof, nothing more. Then he references it. "Hey, remember this? I'm bulletproof." He's using his safeguard to his advantage, trying to play off his death as "Oh, I'm the bulletproof, that's okay" Don't worry, he's not lying. He is bulletproof. Let's keep going.
He then accusses me of being serial killer. I can't name claim, so there's no real way for me to clear whether or not I'm serial killer (I assure you, I'm not.) But this is curious to me.
Viral Maze said:
ALIT turned up scum. In theory, in VM's mind, I should be clear. I assume the second post was made with the thought that I won't be onto him for awhile. If his thought of me deteriorated over time, that'd make sense, but this is the very next day. Suddenly he's under fire, what makes Zenox not the serial killer? Let's be honest, even if I was the serial killer, we'd still be having this conversation. I would've targetted Viral Maze, he would've been saved by his ability, I would've realized from the night scene he's Darth Sion. But, again, I'm not.
Again, he confirms he's bulletproof here. He doesn't think I lied about targetting him, he thinks I just automatically assumed gray skin led to Darth Sion. Go ahead, find someone that fits that description. Even just gray skin. Is he an alien? Possibly. But Darth Sion being bulletproof, and able to come back in that exact same manner, it's all too convenient to be a coincidence.
His logic is pretty much exactly what I was testing. Is he really bulletproof? In my mind, the Godfather is bulletproof. If he really was bulletproof, it's possible he was the godfather, and the nightscene would confirm my thought process and we could be having the conversation we're having now.
To answer his question, I can choose to kill whenever I want. I have just been lucky enough to logically deduce and have hunches that have worked out so far.
This post is also important. Let's start off with the first line. He's not townie, he's trying to taunt me into questioning myself, or getting others on his side, blah blah blah, it's not going to work. I have no idea what question's he's talking about, to this very post.
However the third line is the most important. Reminder: he has confirmed not once, but twice he is bulletproof. I'd also like to remind you of his reasonings for soft-claiming he's bulletproof.
Viral Maze said:
This was his logic behind it. Great logic, I decided to call him on the bulletproof thing. Worked out well for me. In any case, let's chat a sec.
He mentions a role called the Redirector. Let's quote Mafiascum wiki to try and figure out exactly what this means.
[URL="http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Redirector" said:
this might be a little confusing, so allow me to give you an example.
I'm the Vigilante, my role is to kill. Let's say Josh is the redirector. If he wanted someone murdered, hey Zenox is the redirector, let's use his night ability on someone else.
Josh would select me, then let's say he wanted Kybyrian gone. he would basically tell Austin
"Redirect Zenox's night ability onto Kybyrian instead"
I, instead of killing my target, would kill Kybyrian instead.
Pretty good theory he has. One problem though, I don't buy that for a second. There is no way he actually thinks a redirector is in this game. Reminder: He has confirmed now that he is bulletproof three times, and his logic worked out for him. Someone did try to call him on it. I did. Why would someone who has a very reasonable excuse for his survival, need to bring up the option of a Redirector throwing my kill somewhere else? I don't know, maybe he was worried his plan wasn't working, so he tried to say, yes Darth Sion was targetted, but Zenox didn't actually hit who he thinks he hit.
Some of you at this point may question whether or not there would be two bulletproof roles on the same team. I am accusing Viral Maze of being the Bulletproof Mafia, not the godfather. Honestly, you can think whatever you want. I honestly think there is no godfather, and at the very least, if there is, he isn't bulletproof. Or Austin's a ******* mod and had two bulletproofs on the same team. I like the first theory best. It's a theory, nonetheless, the real thing to get by this post is, why does he need to theorize how he survived, now that he has basically confirmed it thrice now?
Here he's batting off the accusation that he is the Redirector. Let me say there is no way he (or anyone else in this game for that matter) is the redirector. First off, he claimed "Jedi Indomitable". This is nitpicky, but he's being inconsistent. First off, my role never actually said I was the Vigilante, it just described the Vigilante. I'm actually the Jedi Assassin. He's saying his role actually said he was "townie bulletproof". Whether or not you interpret this as me being nitpicky, or our good friend VM doesn't have a Jedi role PM is up to you.
In any case. Stipulations to his bulletproof. Has he elaborated? Not really. I assume this is simply he can be lynched, but nightkills won't work. I'll let it slide. The real thing to note is he's sticking to the redirector thing. To him, this redirector thing is buying me time, great. Let's go with it. But, ah-ah-ah, you claimed bulletproof and at the beginning of this day was using that to explain your survival. Now you're trying to play off that some other sap got targetted and this is just a huuuuge misunderstanding.
bull****.
Alright, this is him, softclaiming townie this time. He's saying "yeah I'm bulletproof, I said it before and I'll say it again. I wasn't hit though, oh no, it was not me that was hit. Some other bulletproof sap was hit." Yeah ****ing right.
The thing you guys are all buying into is the fact that there is the slight possiblity that a Redirector is in this game. I honestly don't believe it. But hypothetically, what are the odds, that I targetted a softclaim bulletproof (Viral Maze), only for it to hit a bulletproof, but it's not Viral Maze. It's some other bulletproof. The odds of the redirector correctly guessing another bulletproof are next to none.
Again, this is assuming you do think a redirector is in this game. Let me reiterate: there is not.
So the main point of this is. First off, he plays that he's bulletproof, therefore he survived. But halfway through today he decides, but then again it's possible Zenox hit someone else.
Wait, you do realize you're not told that I targetted you, right? You would've been none the wiser that the redirector saved you. The redirector also wouldn't be told who I was targetting, just that they are using the ability I have on someone of their choosing.
Another thing, just food for thought in this one.
REDIRECTOR, PLEASE CLAIM
You successfully hit the Godfather, and saved us from confirming Viral Maze's bulletproof story. Please come forward, claim who you are and state who you targetted instead. They are very clearly either the Bulletproof Mafia, as I have been saying, or the Godfather, as Viral Maze has been saying.
Hopefully, VM, this plan seems logical to you?
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