- Nov 7, 2011
I don't understand your argument here. Looking solely at WW, "that which binds us together" is merely the fact that each possesses one piece of the Triforce. Ganondorf then takes Link's so they are no longer bound to each other. Taking SS into consideration, this binding extends to Link's spirit and Ganondorf's hatred. What exactly are you trying to disprove by pointing out that he subsequently announces his wish?Here we have Ganondorf doing his thing and attempting to destroy Hyrule. But hold on a second, what did he just say? "Let us put an end to that which binds us together!". This is it right?. The curse speaks of the binding of the goddess and the hero to evil and here Ganondorf is admitting there is something binding them otgether, I guess I was wrong. Hold up though, let's take a look at what he does next.
Nope, turns out he was actually making his triforce wish.
This supports the point that we agree on if Aonuma is referring to this natural force of balance. Ganondorf showed up in OoT because Link and Zelda showed up (though causality is supratemporal in this case - yes I just made that word up).Aonuma said:This game talks about the birth of the Master Sword, and it touches on why Ganondorf showed up. If you play it, I think you’ll get some understanding on that. It connects to Ocarina, so if you play Ocarina of Time 3D and move on to this game, I think you’ll catch on to a lot of things.
This proves that Demise is not just another villain caught up the Triforce-induced power-struggle (read: balance), but is indeed the essence of his side of the conflict, repeating itself through the generations. This quote holds a lot more weight than Demise's threat, which I agree is rather empty. I've been referred to examples of this concept in both Japanese and Middle-Earth (Lord of the Rings) mythology. An entity which is the cause of all evil. "Demise's Hatred" is simply hatred in general, not specifically toward the goddesses. Ganondorf has plenty of hatred, here suggested to be flamed by Demise himself. Demise is hatred.Fi said:This eternal being has conquered time
itself. It is the source of all monsters.
According to tales passed down through
generations, it appears differently in
each epoch and to each person who
lays eyes on it.
Yes, I believe this was actually established as far back as LttP, or maybe OoT. Demise's quote is nothing new.I thought since the Wind Waker and even before then that we knew the state of things, that the three to carry the crests of the Triforce would always repeat
The argument is that it isn't the curse binding them together, it is the Triforce.
I knew these quotes would rear their ugly heads eventually. And I have a few issues with them. Firstly I don't agree that the "Ganondorf's origins" part of the quote can be used as a point against my theory (although you didn't directly do so yourself, but no doubt others will). This is simply due to the fact that my interpretation of Demise words still does touch on Ganondorf's origins. i.e, it was his fate all along to become a "chosen one" of the Triforce.
Secondly, Fi's quote. I'll get to the conquering time business in a second, for now I want to concentrate on the latter section of her quote. Not only could she not have a clue of Demise future as she wasn't a being of time herself, she also quite clearly says "According to tales passed down through generations". Not only is this a very weak basis to found anything on, she also directly states this herself at the beginning of the game. Saying that oral tradition "is one of the least reliable methods of information retention and transmission".
As for the conquering time, I had taken this as a hint toward who the identity of the Goddess of Time was, namely Hylia. In this sense he had not defeated time in a literal sense, but rather the goddess who represented it. However this is merely throwing more theories into the mix so I shall leave this argument as nothing more than passing thought until I can confirm who or what the Goddess of Time is. The second half of that first section also means nothing to me in regards to Demise apparent effect on the Zelda universe's future. Simply because, again, Fi can't see into the future. Demise is the source of all monsters for the present and to say he is so for the future as well is merely assumption.
I thought I had already stated that it was the Triforce that was binding evil with good? In which case this point only serves to strengthen my argument XD
How so? When constructing a theory you have to take all the information into account, otherwise it's a theory based on limited and potentially biased information. Whether they had Demise planned back then or not WW still happens in the same universe and as such cannot be ignored in regards to this.
The idea of Hyrule suffering at the hands of many different evils is something I thought about exploring yet overall it's a shaky piece of evidence. Mainly because it's difficult to determine just how literal Demise was being when saying "an incarnation". Was he meaning one literal incarnation or many incarnations that existed at different times? His use of the words "will follow" indicates the former.