"Is Age of Calamity Canon?" Debate

[Bowsette Plus-Ultra]

So then you are trying to say that every source that I listed that went against the official timeline wasn't made by and distributed by Nintendo. because you are trying to say that they are non canon with your only definition of canon provided being that its from some random from Nintendo.

I am saying that Nintendo the company and the people in charge of it are the final arbiters of the IP that they own, yes.

 

[DarkDagger52]

I am saying that Nintendo the company and the people in charge of it are the final arbiters of the IP that they own, yes.

So your saying that Nintendo has disowned all claim to the following games: A link to the past, Oracle of ages, Oracle of seasons and A link between worlds. Provide a copy of the legal document that proves your claim.

 

[Bowsette Plus-Ultra]

So your saying that Nintendo has disowned all claim to the following games: A link to the past, Oracle of ages, Oracle of seasons and A link between worlds. Provide a copy of the legal document that proves your claim.

My man, you're allowed to hate Nintendo and their canon but you hating it won't make the official timeline less canon. A healthy headcanon is fine.

 

[DarkDagger52]

My man, you're allowed to hate Nintendo and their canon but you hating it won't make the official timeline less canon. A healthy headcanon is fine.

In order for your definition of canon to be true Nintendo would have to give up all legal rights to any canon material that contradicts the official timeline and since you have provided no such legal document your definition is null and void as any kind of serious statement of fact. The theory section is not the place for your fanfiction of what Nintendo does with the series.

 

[Bowsette Plus-Ultra]

In order for your definition of canon to be true Nintendo would have to give up all legal rights to any canon material that contradicts the official timeline and since you have provided no such legal document your definition is null and void as any kind of serious statement of fact. The theory section is not the place for your fanfiction of what Nintendo does with the series.

That... isn't how that works, no. Nintendo doesn't have to "give up" the legal rights to contradictory canon.

 

[mαrkαsscoρ]

So then you are trying to say that every source that I listed that went against the official timeline wasn't made by and distributed by Nintendo. because you are trying to say that they are non canon with your only definition of canon provided being that its from some random from Nintendo.

this isn't exactly a rule but if a company makes contradictory statements in regards to lore, then you'd usually go w/ whatever the latest one is

 

[DarkDagger52]

That... isn't how that works, no. Nintendo doesn't have to "give up" the legal rights to contradictory canon.

By the definition you gave ALL information from Nintendo is EQUALLY canon SIMULTANEOUSLY as long as they still hold there legal connection therefor since they haven't given up ANY of that by YOUR definition of canon EVERY iteration of the official timeline plus EVERY piece of CONTRADICTING lore must be canon SIMULTANEOUSLY.

So yes by your definition in order for your claim of the current official timeline being the absolute canon they would have to give up their rights to the contradicting information.

this isn't exactly a rule but if a company makes contradictory statements in regards to lore, then you'd usually go w/ whatever the latest one is

That's the Retcon philosophy I've already tested it extensively and the results are a very fragile understanding of the story. Now in the case of the official timeline being a retcon I debunked that earlier in the thread when I listed several canon sources that contradict the official timeline but AGREE with the games and manuals most of them were even released AFTER the statements of A link to the past being after Ocarina of time in the timeline.

 

[Bowsette Plus-Ultra]

This is a dumb conversation. Here is the official timeline.

Nintendo owns the Zelda IP and gets to decide what's canon.

 

[mαrkαsscoρ]

That's the Retcon philosophy I've already tested it extensively and the results are a very fragile understanding of the story. Now in the case of the official timeline being a retcon I debunked that earlier in the thread when I listed several canon sources that contradict the official timeline but AGREE with the games and manuals most of them were even released AFTER the statements of A link to the past being after Ocarina of time in the timeline.

I mean the fact still stands that they put out the timeline, and whether any of us like it or not, that's still the latest word of what the chronology looks like and it's how most people these days will see how the games take place

 

[DarkDagger52]

This is a dumb conversation.

Because everything you are trying to say is self contradicting.

I mean the fact still stands that they put out the timeline, and whether any of us like it or not, that's still the latest word of what the chronology looks like and it's how most people these days will see how the games take place

Just because a belief is common doesn't make it truth. Its the job of a theorist to find the truth and seek the possibilities that truth provides.

 

[mαrkαsscoρ]

Just because a belief is common doesn't make it truth. Its the job of a theorist to find the truth and seek the possibilities that truth provides.

...what?
firstly we're just talking video game chronology, it's not that drastic, and second you don't have to accept the timeline, but again that's still what the timeline IS, and it's the "common belief" b/c the company itself that made the games are saying this is what it is

 

[Commander_Has]

A generally accepted timeline given by the video game compony is pretty final. I you have a different view, great, I personally, have a slightly different timeline than this, but even that only removes the four swords, and then swaps twilight and link between worlds. This is the base timeline and almost everyone agrees with 90%. Also, time travel doesn't make a game non-cannon, only a separate timeline.

 

[DarkDagger52]

...what?
firstly we're just talking video game chronology, it's not that drastic

The chronology has a major impact on the lore.

and second you don't have to accept the timeline, but again that's still what the timeline IS

A generally accepted timeline given by the video game compony is pretty final.

To say that the official timeline is THE timeline is to say that there is NO timeline and here is why: "My next statement is true. My previous statement is false" in order for for statement A to be true statement B must also be true however in order for statement B to be true statement A must be false. In order for the official timeline to be canon then ALL the games that it is comprised of must also be canon however since many of the games of those games directly contradict the official timeline at a fundamental level in order for them to be canon the official timeline must be NON CANON as such the official timeline DECANONIZES ITSELF. Thus to say that it is the true canon is to say that there is no canon.

it's the "common belief" b/c the company itself that made the games are saying this is what it is

Which part of the company? Because its not Zelda team since they are putting their time into the creation of the games and they have NEVER CONFORMED TO THE OFFICIAL TIMELINE as proven earlier in this thread multiple times. The TRUE timeline is woven into the games by the Zelda team THIS is the timeline that I seek because THIS is THE timeline.

almost everyone agrees with 90%.

Most of the official timeline is pieced together correctly however its the mistakes that tear it apart and make it useless.

Also, time travel doesn't make a game non-cannon, only a separate timeline.

My point isn't that the time travel is the problem. My point is that everything BEFORE the branch MUST REMAIN THE SAME between the two games in order for Age of calamity to be canon. And since they don't line up in that part of their chronology Age of calamity is non canon.

 

[Mikey the Gengar]

how is there still an argument going on in this thread
canon isn't something you get to decide lol

 

[Commander_Has]

That is fair, Nintendo said yes, so yes.