Game Thread ExLight's Custom Role Mafia - ENDGAME [TOWN WINS]

[SoulAdvent]

In fairness to Seanzie, he did question my Morbid Minish read, so if he decided to use his role on Numbers to link her to Morbid Minish, as Mafia he at least thought that far to make him choosing Numbers look legit.

 

[Seanzie]

But instead you chose the guy who has claimed to have lain traps for people that target him while intentionally trying to draw Mafia targets and had that claim verified by one of the most town read players.

You can't simultaneously claim to lay traps and claim you were baiting mafia.

IME people who claim roles like bomb or other trap roles are scum who don't want to be targeted by town investigations. What does Numbers have to hide? Why would they engage traps on a day when town has triple actions? This is bad play and super sus.

Also, I am still not happy about Numbers having more than $1000. Have they explained exactly how their money generation works? If not, why the secrecy? I've thought about it, and I'd think a "streamer" would generate money by having people visit them. Streamers without viewers don't make money after all. Instead they can somehow generate money as a day action (necessary to have it for N1) while also having seemingly unlimited shots of traps at night? Doesn't add up IMO.

 

[Seanzie]

Vote: Numbers

 

[Ragnarokio]

You can't simultaneously claim to lay traps and claim you were baiting mafia.

IME people who claim roles like bomb or other trap roles are scum who don't want to be targeted by town investigations. What does Numbers have to hide? Why would they engage traps on a day when town has triple actions? This is bad play and super sus.

Also, I am still not happy about Numbers having more than $1000. Have they explained exactly how their money generation works? If not, why the secrecy? I've thought about it, and I'd think a "streamer" would generate money by having people visit them. Streamers without viewers don't make money after all. Instead they can somehow generate money as a day action (necessary to have it for N1) while also having seemingly unlimited shots of traps at night? Doesn't add up IMO.

numbers claimed it was a night action and that exlight also allowed it to resolve instantly, which implies its unblockable and can't be interacted with by other players. If it was reliant on others targeting them, he couldn't have had placed a bid, as you said. I'm still townreading numbers at this point but I can't see it hurting the town much if at all for him to claim, and in the event that I'm wrong it will presumably help us, so I support numbers claiming.

 

[15377]

You can't simultaneously claim to lay traps and claim you were baiting mafia.

IME people who claim roles like bomb or other trap roles are scum who don't want to be targeted by town investigations. What does Numbers have to hide? Why would they engage traps on a day when town has triple actions? This is bad play and super sus.

Also, I am still not happy about Numbers having more than $1000. Have they explained exactly how their money generation works? If not, why the secrecy? I've thought about it, and I'd think a "streamer" would generate money by having people visit them. Streamers without viewers don't make money after all. Instead they can somehow generate money as a day action (necessary to have it for N1) while also having seemingly unlimited shots of traps at night? Doesn't add up IMO.

Sure I can. The whole point in laying traps is to bait your target into them. Like seriously do you not know how traps work?

The flip side to that equation is why would I lay traps on a night where scum have triple actions. The answer is why wouldn't I? I don't expect you to understand this since you've made your stance of "I'm role has a (probably minor) drawback, I can never use it...." very clear.

Oh look we are back to numbers makes money I'm a game where making money is an open part of the design but he's definitely scum because he makes money.

 

[Seanzie]

Sure I can. The whole point in laying traps is to bait your target into them. Like seriously do you not know how traps work?

The flip side to that equation is why would I lay traps on a night where scum have triple actions. The answer is why wouldn't I? I don't expect you to understand this since you've made your stance of "I'm role has a (probably minor) drawback, I can never use it...." very clear.

Oh look we are back to numbers makes money I'm a game where making money is an open part of the design but he's definitely scum because he makes money.

Laying traps in secret and baiting scum? Sure.

Saying you lay traps, then laying traps... no that is not bait for scum.

There were significantly more town actions than scum actions N2, and unless you have the ability to stop a kill on yourself (your role is leagues OP compared to everyone else), most scum actions would likely be relatively benign and worth suffering to avoid blocking town investigatives (which you did).

Yes, we are back to the fact that Numbers is super duper sus. Sorry, you can't just will this away. I was hoping specifically to see your role so I could see exactly HOW you make money, because it doesn't add up. I think if I saw your role pm, you'd be outed right now.

 

[ThePoesareLoose]

Boo has a fairly bad activity history

Wait I'm still in page 6
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[15377]

numbers claimed it was a night action and that exlight also allowed it to resolve instantly, which implies its unblockable and can't be interacted with by other players. If it was reliant on others targeting them, he couldn't have had placed a bid, as you said. I'm still townreading numbers at this point but I can't see it hurting the town much if at all for him to claim, and in the event that I'm wrong it will presumably help us, so I support numbers claiming.

I don't disagree with this since Ex said we were on the last market so last auction was probably the last as well so there's no need to make scum second guess if they need to high bid to outbid me anymore. I gain money simply by using my role. Thematically me submitting an action is starting my stream and I gain a set revenue from sponsorship ($50). Then I gain variable amounts of money depending on which effect I select, where the more vulnerable I am the more money I gain (thematically the more I can be interacted with the more money I make). This ranges from $0-$150 and only gets paid out upon my role successfully firing off (so end of night).

@Seanzie the initial bait was a simple public buying of a cop shot. I didn't claim until after I had fired it off and lost that bait. The further bait is not stating my full role to make them think I could be potentially vulnerable. Considering you walked right into seems like it worked well enough.

Also the chance of shutting down a kill far outweighs the chance of blocking one investigation.

 

[Ragnarokio]

considering numbers openly claimed cop i don't think its really bad to set traps on yourself. It does clash with the idea of him claiming to cop ex with the intent of dissuading scum from killing him though. After claiming trapmaster he obviously lost his ability to bait scum.

@15377 Are you unwilling to claim the exact details of how your role generates money?

 

[Ragnarokio]

i've made a fool of myself

 

[Ragnarokio]

number's claim feels weird to me but not weird enough that i'd rather move my vote from KoD, and i don't know how valuable those sorts of feelings are anyways.

 

[Seanzie]

Numbers role is way out of whack with the other roles we've seen.

The ability to block a kill is already huge. possibly redirect a kill onto the killer? way bigger. But then they get money the whole time?

In the same game with a puppet?

Nah.

 

[Seanzie]

Why doesn't tech support get money when they use their ability? Or puppeteer? Pupeteers are street performers, literally out there trying to make money. Why don't I get money for using my ability? Why would one of the strongest roles in the game be the only one that seemingly makes money? Makes no sense.

 

[SoulAdvent]

streamers are just like porn stars, life is simply unfair

 

[SoulAdvent]

I don't disagree with this since Ex said we were on the last market so last auction was probably the last as well so there's no need to make scum second guess if they need to high bid to outbid me anymore. I gain money simply by using my role. Thematically me submitting an action is starting my stream and I gain a set revenue from sponsorship ($50). Then I gain variable amounts of money depending on which effect I select, where the more vulnerable I am the more money I gain (thematically the more I can be interacted with the more money I make). This ranges from $0-$150 and only gets paid out upon my role successfully firing off (so end of night).

@Seanzie the initial bait was a simple public buying of a cop shot. I didn't claim until after I had fired it off and lost that bait. The further bait is not stating my full role to make them think I could be potentially vulnerable. Considering you walked right into seems like it worked well enough.

Also the chance of shutting down a kill far outweighs the chance of blocking one investigation.

If you wanted to bait the kill, wouldn’t you say you wanted to check a player rather than the host? Wasn’t the original goal to sway away the kill?