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do you think that ganondorf is a descendant of demise???
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Demise wasn't sealed within the Master Sword. He was absorbed, yeah, but not for the purpose of keeping him trapped, but to dissolve him entirely.Demise is sealed inside the Master Sword. It's kind of difficult to have a descendant when this sort of thing has happened. So, in short, no.
Fi said:This eternal being has conquered time itself. It is the source of all monsters.
According to tales passed down through generations, it appears differently in each epoch and to each person who lays eyes on it.
Demise said:My hate...never perishes. It is born anew in a cycle with no end!
I will rise again!
Demise said:Extraordinary. You stand as a paragon of your kind, human. You fight like no human or demon I have ever known. Though this is not the end. My hate... never perishes. It is born anew in a cycle with no end! I will rise again. Those like you... Those who share the blood of the goddess and the spirit of the hero... They are eternally bound to this curse. An incarnation of my hatred shall ever follow your kind, dooming them to wander a blood-soaked sea of darkness for all time!
Demise wasn't sealed within the Master Sword. He was absorbed, yeah, but not for the purpose of keeping him trapped, but to dissolve him entirely.
A cycle? has this happened before? This indicates him "conquering time itself" and "appearing differently in each epoch", the latter statement in particular standing out because it was never really covered outside of Fi's line. Demise is just Demise. There's The Imprisoned, yeah, but that wasn't a different appearance, that was just him in an incomplete, sealed form (and it appeared in the past anyway), so I think that this language is still applied to his "cycle", and I think this indicates a strong possibility that he actually reincarnates as Ganon. He also says "I will rise again!", which wouldn't mean much if not for it directly conflicting with the wording of this in the rest of the dialogue, where he does the "incarnation of my hatred" crap. He's directly saying he will return. Could still be referring to his power, but it seems different to me. It's not absolutely proven, but there's enough for me to stand by it.
I like your description of Demise as the "personification of the end of the world", because that really solidifies the demon theme. That really is what Demise was like, because he wanted to take the whole world and tear it down, and later "Demon Kings", like Ganon and Malladus (should you choose to believe Malladus relates to Demise as well, which I do), also do this (especially Malladus). It also matches right up with the concept of the Devil, who wants to destroy the world or at least supposedly is supposed to do so eventually. I think Demise is a demon in the same kind of way, he's the original, ultimate evil of the Zelda universe. At least until Nintendo decides to retcon him in a prequel. :bleh:Well, I believe Demise is the personification of the end (of the world) in the Zelda universe. His Japanese name, Shuuen no Mono ((Person) of the End) might attest to this. Whenever the case of an end-scenario occurs in the world of Zelda,"Demise's hate"- Ganon (and/or other possible evils) - is the likely cause of it.
Ya, you're way off. Lol. None of this has to do with what I was saying; I'm only using "Ganon" as a shortened version of Ganondorf. In my opinion, the Ganondorf backstory dealt with in Skyward Sword with Demise pretty much kills any argument that Ganon is somehow a separate entity from Ganondorf.Are you suggesting that Ganon is Demise's hatred instead of Ganondorf transforming out of will? I don't see why that would be the case. The Triforce of Power keeps Ganondorf alive after being mortally wounded, which is why he didn't die after being crushed under his tower in OoT. He transformed into that pig-beast as a last-ditch effort to defeat Link. He transformed out of will in TP, too. Otherwise, why would he himself be the final fight instead of the beast form? It seems to me the "hatred" being reincarnated is just why Ganondorf is so evil, powerful, and bent on getting the Triforce (and why he keeps coming back again and again). If I'm mistaken in what you mean, let me know.
I think you actually put this better than I did. He's conquered it. He's defeated it. He can break all rules and restrictions relating to it.Borrowing from Axle's quote of Fi, Demise has "conquered time"; therefore I don't think it should apply to him.
Like what some here and elsewhere on teh Net have said, I do not believe he is the "Reincarnation". To me that would be a huge slap in the face to the fans.
I think it's very telling that it's a mysterious, incredibly strong evil force of HATRED that resides in The Master Sword that attracts Ganon in the first place. It is his greed for Power that drives him, after all.
And though he learns the legend of the Triforce and seeks to claim it (and in some cases DOES), I think they showed that by containing Demise in The Master Sword they were also cursing it.
I believe his Gerudo-born backstory still holds firm.