Yet Another TotK Timeline Placement Theory

[Bowsette Plus-Ultra]

But how would they be shuffling em off, if they've already said they do connect to the series, and each other?

Because they very clearly don't. Saying they take place at the "end of the timeline" doesn't amount to anything, because there are currently three timelines. They barely connect to each other, since characters in TotK actively ignore or forget events from the previous game. Gotta love when a character like Zelda can make direct eye contact with Ganon and say, "Nope, I totally don't know this man I know from the future."

 

[Turo602]

That's what's up for debate.

So if we know BotW/TotK are connected to the rest of the games, how would you place them based on the timeline I shared with you?

He isn't creative enough to figure that out. Better writing is the band-aid solution to everything but he can't actually provide an example of what that means. You can’t theorize unless Nintendo gives it the okay. Pointless ****ing off topic discussion like this is why I initially didn't want to make this thread.

 

[Bowsette Plus-Ultra]

He isn't creative enough to figure that out. Better writing is the band-aid solution to everything but he can't actually provide an example of what that means. You can’t theorize unless Nintendo gives it the okay. Pointless ****ing off topic discussion like this is why I initially didn't want to make this thread.

How is "better writing" a bandage solution? Are we really at the point where we're going, "The writing sucks, but the secret is to scramble everything up so the bad writing fits my narrative," instead of tackling the problem that is the series' writing? Writing a bunch of fanfiction so tie together a bunch of unconnected strands doesn't help the lore.

 

[Angopik]

Because they very clearly don't. Saying they take place at the "end of the timeline" doesn't amount to anything, because there are currently three timelines.

They do, as told to us by Aonuma.
It does amount to something. No matter which timeline it's placed on, it's at the end. Pretty simple to understand.

They barely connect to each other, since characters in TotK actively ignore or forget events from the previous game.

That's 100 percent false. I'd write out all the connections, but it'd take way too long. Aonuma saying TotK is a sequel to BotW is all that's necessary.

Gotta love when a character like Zelda can make direct eye contact with Ganon and say, "Nope, I totally don't know this man I know from the future."

Yeah, cause that's what happened lmao

 

[Bowsette Plus-Ultra]

They do, as told to us by Aonuma.
It does amount to something. No matter which timeline it's placed on, it's at the end. Pretty simple to understand.


That's 100 percent false. I'd write out all the connections, but it'd take way too long. Aonuma saying TotK is a sequel to BotW is all that's necessary.


Yeah, cause that's what happened lmao

Hey, I'm happy you played a version of TotK that wasn't a walking contradiction. Maybe I'll find that one day.

 

[Angopik]

He isn't creative enough to figure that out. Better writing is the band-aid solution to everything but he can't actually provide an example of what that means. You can’t theorize unless Nintendo gives it the okay. Pointless ****ing off topic discussion like this is why I initially didn't want to make this thread.

Right? People who act like BotW/TotK don't clearly connect to each other and the other games (as stated by the creators of the games) shouldn't be talking about "rules."

How is "better writing" a bandage solution? Are we really at the point where we're going, "The writing sucks, but the secret is to scramble everything up so the bad writing fits my narrative," instead of tackling the problem that is the series writing? Writing a bunch of fanfiction so tie together a bunch of unconnected strands doesn't help the lore.

The writing doesn't suck though. It's pretty basic and straightforward to follow. Could it be better? Sure, but that's a far cry from sucking.

 

[Angopik]

Hey, I'm happy you played a version of TotK that wasn't a walking contradiction. Maybe I'll find that one day.

Respectfully, I won't hold my breath. You seem too proud to admit when you're wrong

 

[Bowsette Plus-Ultra]

Respectfully, I won't hold my breath. You seem too proud to admit when you're wrong

Hey, if we ever get some good internal consistency without a developer having to step in and explain that their mess totally isn't a mess then I'll be here for it.

 

[Angopik]

Hey, if we ever get some good internal consistency without a developer having to step in and explain that their mess totally isn't a mess then I'll be here for it.

Your subjective opinion on the game's stories is irrelevant. We're told explicitly the games are connected. You still can't admit you were wrong.

 

[Bowsette Plus-Ultra]

Your subjective opinion on the game's stories is irrelevant. We're told explicitly the games are connected. You still can't admit you were wrong.

I'm glad to hear the game couldn't establish that on its own and needed a developer to step in.

 

[Angopik]

I'm glad to hear the game couldn't establish that on its own and needed a developer to step in.

These things were established before the games came out. Wanna take another swing at it?

 

[Bowsette Plus-Ultra]

These things were established before the games came out. Wanna take another swing at it?

Sure, man.

 

[Turo602]

How is "better writing" a bandage solution? Are we really at the point where we're going, "The writing sucks, but the secret is to scramble everything up so the bad writing fits my narrative," instead of tackling the problem that is the series writing? Writing a bunch of fanfiction so tie together a bunch of unconnected strands doesn't help the lore.

You're like a broken record and have yet to provide a single example of what this "better writing" is. My idea is working within the boundaries of the only grey canon left and changes nothing about what is established officially and in-game.

All I've done is provide context to what is going on by applying pre-existing rules backed by actual in-game evidence and yet you feel the need to insert arbitrary restrictions to it because it doesn't meet your standards of "good writing." F*ck anyone for implementing Nintendo's style of writing to merely suggest a realistic and viable direction for the series because it doesn't solve a problem you want fixed.

You add nothing to this discussion. If you want to tackle the issue of writing, by all means, go write an angry letter to Nintendo or apply for a job there. But this type of disingenuous agenda pushing bullsh*t makes discussion like this f*cking pointless.

 

[Bowsette Plus-Ultra]

You're like a broken record and have yet to provide a single example of what this "better writing" is. My idea is working within the boundaries of the only grey canon left and changes nothing about what is established officially and in-game.

All I've done is provide context to what is going on by applying pre-existing rules backed by actual in-game evidence and yet you feel the need to insert arbitrary restrictions to it because it doesn't meet your standards of "good writing." F*ck anyone for implementing Nintendo's style of writing to merely suggest a realistic and viable direction for the series because it doesn't solve a problem you want fixed.

You add nothing to this discussion. If you want to tackle the issue of writing, by all means, go write an angry letter to Nintendo or apply for a job there. But this type of disingenuous agenda pushing bullsh*t makes discussion like this f*cking pointless.

I mean, do you really want me to pull examples of ongoing series that do a better job of linking each entry together without needing a director to step into the interview booth and explain how each entry connects? Okay.

Baldur's Gate (20 years between 2 and 3)
Neverwinter
Elder Scrolls
Divinity Original Sin
Resident Evil
Batman Arkham
The Witcher
Assassins Creed
Mass Effect
Bioshock
Dead Rising
Deus Ex
Dishonored
Psychonauts (20 years between 1 and 2)
MechWarriors (20 years between 4 and 5)

The bar is very low. Literally all that's needed is for Zelda to follow smidgen of what other video game franchises do and maintain some basic series continuity cohesion. Zelda fanfiction writers have been managing that for decades, but Zelda as a series can't even manage it for more than one entry.

 

[Turo602]

Resident Evil's lore has been retconned to hell and back and suffers from horrible writing and inconsistencies that requires multiple sources to understand. But you still haven't provided a single example of what this supposed good writing looks like that is going to fix your issue with THIS series. Merely suggesting good writing and listing off a bunch of franchises that have nothing to do with Zelda isn’t telling me that you actually understand what this good writing looks like. If all that matters to you in terms of writing is knowing the chronological order of events and not the actual quality of the work, then you have no right to act like an expert on the subject. I'm done with this thread now.