I was asking because if ALIT turns out town zachie would be my next go to lynch unless something happens before eod.
Similarly, if ALIT turns out town who would that make you go after?
I would say Deku, but after I read your post in which you put yourself in Mido's shoes, I started leaning more towards him.
I'm more than a bit suspicious about Mido right now due to how quickly the vote shifted from him to Jimmy and how Jimmy flipped town. If ALIT also flips town, my money will be on Deku & Mido as a townie would have a damn good reason for pushing so hard on someone.
Maybe our Vig can do us a favour & shoot Deku or Mido if ALIT ends up flipping?
If on the other hand, ALIT flips scum, I would be pressing Mido. It'd more or less confirm Deku as town.
I agree with this. I'd actually go as far as to say, if we have a Goon Cop in this game, that they should target whoever the Vig targeted too, just in case one of those roles exists but the other does not. Between the two, I think Mido would make for a great Cop investigation.
I'm not going to act like my case on Jimmu was particularly strong, but I don't agree with the notion that my lynch would have been any better either. I'd question the inverse, surely. What made my potential lynch any better than Jimmu's? My inactivity alone? Now, if you disagreed with my read of Jimmu at that time, that's fair. Still, I'd say this put our prospects from an omniscient standpoint at a more equal footing. From my perspective at the time, I certainly thought it better. I should note that this part of my post isn't solely directed at you as it is also those who have echoed similar statements.
Tying up votes in an attempt to save yourself is not inherently scummy. Of course you're gonna think an alternative lynch is better than your own though, that's natural. So I'm not sure why you need to state that part, it seems rather redundant. In fact this whole paragraph seems a bit defensive to me, when it need not be.
I'm more skeptical of your intent here. I accepted your reasoning for joining funnier's pressure voting towards me since more votes often add more pressure, so that makes sense. However, it doesn't seem like you had any read of Jimmu in particular at all. This,p looked like an easy opportunity to secure a lynch of a player without any alignment concern. The randomness of the progression here is very worrying.
Vote: A Link In Time
What do you mean by the bolded part? I don't like it. Jimmu was town, so it would make sense for Alit, as scum, to vote him since all townies are expendable in the eyes of the mafia. But then what do you mean by securing a lynch without any alignment concern? If Alit was scum, this would imply that you are as well, since he'd be moving the lynch from a scumbud onto one who he would know to be town. If he had any concerns about lynching you, it'd be because you are mafia.
I'm going to address the last part here.
Let me put myself in your position, you're town about to be lynched on day one or at least in the coin toss when at the last minute someone saves you.
If that was me I'd be shouting from the roof tops that neither myself nor ALIT were scum since you happen to know he had no reason to save you.
Which brings us to the present where you are lynching him for poor progression, I can easily see you as mafia either bussing or band wagoning and that pretty much throws out my town lean on you.
I haven't quite figured out what I'm going to do about that but I'm feeling less good about lynching ALIT because of it.
I noted this above, I think this is a very good point and a good perspective to look at it in. This potentially makes Mido rise up higher on my suspicion list, but I'm going to keep my vote on Alit due to recent events.
Caught up to where I rejoined the game. Gonna answer your questions in a few, but first I'm going to share my thoughts:
Pen's vote for Mido was RVS I believe, before he just didn't post for a while. Sounds very familiar. Why am I being called out but not him?
I know it's redundant for me to say this, since others already have, but the circumstances were different. Pen made an RVS vote and then just disappeared. You made an RVS vote and then made it clear that you were just gonna sit back and let the day happen, without removing your RVS vote.
Hmm, fair enough. I simply found that wagon to be very opportunistic for what seemed like a newbie blunder.
Okay, and why weren't you doing that before? Like I said, I liked the content you produced at the time, but it seemed like you weren't concerned with the game until it came to you. Were you busy or intentionally lying low?
My first thought when comparing the two wagons was simply that I liked your content more as you bothered to show up at least and try to game solve while Jimmu vanished completely. But I did immediately mention in twilight that voting on a wagon with Deku made me uncomfortable. I'm not sure what there is to doubt here as it's all recorded in the thread.
Good point. I hadn't considered things from this perspective. Mido would have known that the wagons were town/town so which one I was on should make no difference. I noticed he gave himself a way out by calling my vote on Day 1 incredibly opportunistic, but his vote in the middle of my wagon is just that.
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Vote: Mido
This seems like a really sudden change of opinion. I mean, on the surface it makes sense, but this seems like a complete 180, or it's an OMGUS. Either way, it doesn't look good. I'm gonna keep my vote where it is.
This makes a lot of sense, and I don't know why it seems like people are overlooking all the reasoning for ALIT's actions. I feel like he's been pretty good at explaining himself, and it makes a lot of sense. What doesn't make sense is the reasons that people have for voting him. Does someone wanna answer why they think he would be so obvious to save his scumbud on day 1? Especially when he could've left it up to a coin-toss to decide, which while it would have been risky if he and Mido are scum, it would have been less risky than what he did.
If Mido were to flip scum, would you find Alit suspicious? If the mafia decided not to recruit the Traitor, then the numbers would be extremely against them, so they would naturally want to try to save each other. And Alit's vote on Mido makes sense if he was trying to gain some early town cred by pressuring his scum bud to post. Even if they did recruit the Traitor, their numbers still wouldn't be favourable and they wouldn't want to lose anyway.
I realize Alit's move would be risky if he and Mido are both scum, but considering the possible mafia abilities, I think it's quite likely that Mido has a power role, possibly role cop or JoaT, that the mafia really wouldn't want to lose. Since they had the option to choose three of the five abilities, three of which are power roles, I would be shocked if they didn't have at least one power role in their arsenal. Alit's move makes me believe Mido has one, assuming Alit is scum.
