A Link Between Worlds Majoras Mask Theory

[snakeoiltanker]

Thanks Linkdude, This whole thread was beginning to become Unbearable to read, Until you posted you thoughts with actual IN GAME EVIDENCE! I dont see why Vita gets so mad at people who disagree with him, it seems to be his MO, he's very creative, but always seems to be trying to drive home a point that even he knows doesnt make sense.

The diary was just that, Ravios Diary! the whole 3 Day thing was just a tip of the hat to us fans and nothing more!

 

[VitaTempusN92]

Hilda - "You vanish on me and now come crawling back? Why?"
Ravio - "forgive me, your highness. I'm a coward at heart. There was no way that I had the courage to stand up to you and Yuga. But I was smart enough to go to Hyrule. I knew they'd have a hero who could help me."

I think that's proof enough that he leaves because of Yuga. And not only that but Hilda. Also, in the end of the game, when Yuga reveals that he does not care for Lorule and wants to recreate Lorule in his image, Hilda is surprised. Surprised that Yuga is betraying her. These three characters and their interactions do not point to any kind of indication of a 4th character being involved. This "He and I devised a scheme that imperiled your kingdom. But I alone will set this right." - Hilda after she explains that Yuga found a crack in the grim slate. More indication that there isn't a 4th person involved.
His diary doesn't make it obvious that he's jealous of anyone. In fact, reading the diary, I don't feel any jealousy coming from him, but I sense he cares for Hilda a lot and will do anything to save her. Even if it means never coming back to Lorule. He left because of what Yuga was doing, to find a hero to save Hilda. He didn't leave because of some twin brother who can't exist and does not exist. Hilda trusted Yuga completely, shown by her surprise at ANOTHER betrayal(she saw ravio leaving as betrayal) This also helps with what Hilda says. That Lorule once had heroes like link. The hero of Lorule left and so they didn't have their hero anymore. By finding link and getting his help, Ravio really is a hero of Lorule.) The diary is just an account of 3 days before he left to find link. It's very likely, with all the planning that was done by Hilda and Yuga, that they had a date set for when they'd start their scheme. On top of that, a twin brother, plotting behind everything in the game, I'm almost certain that with Zelda, Link, and Hilda in the room, that is something he would have brought up. I don't believe any of your theory in this twin brother of ravio, Hilda not trusting Yuga, or what "he" in the diary refers to. Your "evidence" does not even begin to point towards anything your theory says but disproves your own theory. Your assumptions of things happening in the game have nothing to back them up. There is no evidence in the game that helps prove a 4th person is involved in this at all.

IF you were PAYING any ATTENTION to what I was saying in ANY of MY posts, you know the REASON Ravio's brother was not mentioned in the game was because of Nintendo's censor on any EVIL Dark Link type characters cause Nintendo wants Dark Link to remain a MYSTERY. Also, I believe the reason Hilda is surprised at Yuga's actions is because she confused as what she had done, basically realizing her mistake. Hilda was CONVINCED by someone who she THOUGHT she could trust into trusting Yuga BECAUSE she DESPERATE to SAVE Lorule. Still don't believe me, well some of Hilda lines from the ending that prove my theory:

Hilda: Your kingdom has been under the protection of your Triforce...
This isn't over! I must have it!

Hilda: That's not what I...!

Hilda: Oh, no...

Hilda: Princess Zelda, I have been led astray, tempted by the power of your Triforce. But I swear...
I did it for my people.

That's all of Hilda's lines that back up my theory. Here are Ravio's lines that prove my theory (including Diary lines):

Ravio: 3 Days to go
She wants to do the right thing.
I wish I could help her.
But leaving is my only option.

2 Days to go
She's being duped. Doesn't she
realize that? He's just a leech.
There's no choice but to go.

1 Day to go
I have so little magic. Enough to
go there-maybe not come back.
But tomorrow must be the day.
I may never see her again, but
I vow to save her from all this.

^- Seriously, how is this not considered as Ravio being jealous? If this isn't considered as jealously, then I don't know is. Anyways, next quote:

Ravio: I wish the best for our kingdom. But by ruining Hyrule...?
You'd bring the absolute worst in Lorule.

Basically if you've READ my other posts, you'd know why I included that line.

Also, what I don't understand is why you say Ravio's evil twin "can't exist and doesn't exist". Stuff like that leads me to believe that you're obviously in denial and taking my theory seriously. Saying my evidence only disproves my own theory. You obviously have NO respect for me or my theory and I normally don't take that kind of disrespect so lightly, so I'd suggest you back off.

Anyways, that all I have to say for now, I guess I'll have make a video series that will better explain my theory since people for reason just don't understand anything I say. For now that's all, I'm tired. :tired:

Edit:

Thanks Linkdude, This whole thread was beginning to become Unbearable to read, Until you posted you thoughts with actual IN GAME EVIDENCE! I dont see why Vita gets so mad at people who disagree with him, it seems to be his MO, he's very creative, but always seems to be trying to drive home a point that even he knows doesnt make sense.

The diary was just that, Ravios Diary! the whole 3 Day thing was just a tip of the hat to us fans and nothing more!

You're agreeing with him? How can you agree with someone who pretty much showed me such disrespect towards me and my theory, making it seem like I'm some kind of idiot when I am not. I thought we were friends here. I will NOT approve of all this disrespect, if this happens again, I'll leave so I'll be able to calm down before I lose myself! People really need to grow up, experience life, and find something better to do than insult me all the time.

 

[Libk]

I've read everything you've posted and even went through the ending of the game again. I'm sorry but I personally still don't believe any of what you say is evidence to prove the existence of a twin brother. Dark link is a shadow of link. That's all he's ever been and is love for Nintendo to give him more character but I doubt they will. Hilda did not go into surprise at realizing her mistake. Sorry but that's not disputable. She didn't realize her mistake at that point of the battle. She was surprised at Yuga's betrayal and that's it. If she had realized her mistakes, there would be no need for her text after the battle while arguing with Zelda, and then having Ravio bring her back to her proper mindset. Ravio makes her realize her mistakes. When ravio mentions bringing the absolute worst out of Lorule, he is speaking of back when Lotule warred over the triforce. Except in this case they'd be warring with another world over a triforce. Again, Ravio's diary does not convey jealousy of anyone. If anything it conveys his care for Lorule. His willingness to save his princess. He'd do anything to keep her safe from Yuga and the fate he'd bring to Lorule, even if it meant he could not go back "maybe not come back. I may never see her again but I vow to save her from all this." these are not the words of a man who his jealous but the words of a man willing to go to any length to save someone he cares for. "He's just a leech" let's think about what a leech is. A parasitic creatures that uses the blood and nutrients in it's host to feed. In the case of this, a person using Hilda to get what they need. Sure you could fit it into you theory but Yuga IS the leech ravio speaks of. Yuga reveals he is only using Hilda and the plot they have made to gain the triforce for himself. Explain how ravio's diary conveys jealousy instead of just highlighting text. That's something I haven't seen you do. If you have, then I must not of recognized it. Again, nothing you have said is evidence to back up your theory of an evil twin of ravio.

I mean no disrespect but your theory is not backed by any in game evidence. By your logic of "Nintendo wouldn't put the character in there because they want dark link kept a mystery" (not an exact quote) Icould use the same logic and say that Nintendo won't ever admit Epona is a my little pony because they don't want to be associated with the show, but Epona is a pony from MLP

 

[VitaTempusN92]

I've read everything you've posted and even went through the ending of the game again. I'm sorry but I personally still don't believe any of what you say is evidence to prove the existence of a twin brother. Dark link is a shadow of link. That's all he's ever been and is love for Nintendo to give him more character but I doubt they will. Hilda did not go into surprise at realizing her mistake. Sorry but that's not disputable. She didn't realize her mistake at that point of the battle. She was surprised at Yuga's betrayal and that's it. If she had realized her mistakes, there would be no need for her text after the battle while arguing with Zelda, and then having Ravio bring her back to her proper mindset. Ravio makes her realize her mistakes. When ravio mentions bringing the absolute worst out of Lorule, he is speaking of back when Lotule warred over the triforce. Except in this case they'd be warring with another world over a triforce. Again, Ravio's diary does not convey jealousy of anyone. If anything it conveys his care for Lorule. His willingness to save his princess. He'd do anything to keep her safe from Yuga and the fate he'd bring to Lorule, even if it meant he could not go back "maybe not come back. I may never see her again but I vow to save her from all this." these are not the words of a man who his jealous but the words of a man willing to go to any length to save someone he cares for. "He's just a leech" let's think about what a leech is. A parasitic creatures that uses the blood and nutrients in it's host to feed. In the case of this, a person using Hilda to get what they need. Sure you could fit it into you theory but Yuga IS the leech ravio speaks of. Yuga reveals he is only using Hilda and the plot they have made to gain the triforce for himself. Explain how ravio's diary conveys jealousy instead of just highlighting text. That's something I haven't seen you do. If you have, then I must not of recognized it. Again, nothing you have said is evidence to back up your theory of an evil twin of ravio.

I mean no disrespect but your theory is not backed by any in game evidence. By your logic of "Nintendo wouldn't put the character in there because they want dark link kept a mystery" (not an exact quote) Icould use the same logic and say that Nintendo won't ever admit Epona is a my little pony because they don't want to be associated with the show, but Epona is a pony from MLP

Well, then I don't have reason be on here anymore. Enough said, goodbye.

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WARNING! This is NOT the original response as that has been censored down to this due to the original response being too inappropriate to post on here. Just thought I'd warn you all how I close I am to my head exploding.

 

[Libk]

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[Wolf Sage]

Ravio appears to have caught onto Yuga's intentions pretty early on, but either didn't know how to tell Hilda, or tried to tell Hilda and had been ignored (I dunno; I've yet to play the game.) Whatever the case, his suspicions of Yuga must have led to his leaving Lorule. The odds of Anju and Kafei causing such an uproarious occurrence is, for lack of a better word, laughable.

 

[Shadow Blade]

I have to agree with LinkDude74, I hate to be rude but I found no evidence to support your theory Vita, or any logical way it would connect to MM and the purpose of this thread is to discuss a theory and come up with theories as to how ALBW could be connected to MM.

On a side note I can think of only one maybe two logical ways for ALBW to be connected to MM.

 

[Justac00lguy]

He brings up "3 days being left" which makes me believe Ravio is from Termina because of the 3 day countdown before the moon falls.

This is a pretty big assumption if you also me. The "three day" things is most likely a hint at Majora's Mask- Nintendo have being doing this all year it's not abnormal by any means.

Honestly, if he was to referring to Yuga, wouldn't he just say Yuga's name to make it less confusing? Though, the same can be about how Ravio mentioning "she" in reference to Hilda, however, unlike Yuga, at least we know better on that he's referring to "she" as in Hilda mostly by way he talks about her.

Let's analyse what is said in the diary:

"3 Days to go
She wants to do the right thing.
I wish I could help her.
But leaving is my only option.​

Clearly talking about Hilda and in reference to waiting to save her Kingdom. He wished he could helpful her; however, he doesn't want to serve her while she is is looking to destroy an opposing world so his only option is to try and stop it indirectly: leaving Lorule.

"2 Days to go
She's being duped. Doesn't she
realize that? He's just a leech.
There's not choice but to go."​

Hilda is being duped by Yuga obviously. We know the two are in cahoots and it was probably Yuga that proposed this plan as he is truly evil. The leech reference is basically pointing at Yuga depending on others so that his plan can come into fruition - in this case Hilda. This is a possible expanded upon in the main story as Yuga leeches of Ganon's powers. This leaves Ravio with no choice; he can't take on two powerful figures as he doesn't have the courage to do so.

"1 Day to go
I have so little magic. Enough to
go there-maybe not come back.
But tomorrow must be the day.
I may never see her again, but
I vow to save her from all this."​

His reference to magic is probably to his bracelet as we know when we got it is was worn out - it needed a true hero, Link. Go there and not come back is obviously him leaving Lorule and not being able to return - this is why he takes shelter in Link's house. He is leaving and he may never see the Princess, who he served, again. He wants to save her from herself and most definitely, Yuga, who he knows us evil.

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It's pretty straightforward and standard stuff in the diary. I think it's good that you're looking outside of the box, but you're now too far from the box to be considered within the realm of logical theorising.

I don't think Hilda trusted Yuga at first until someone who actually presented himself as trustworthy managed to convince Hilda otherwise. Honestly, I don't see how this guy can come off as trustworthy to begin with:

A big assumption there. Plus didn't the royal family trust Ganondorf initially in Ocarina of Time? Something to think about maybe...

There's a possibility that Ravio could have a twin brother.

I've read through your theory and I'm usually open to new theories and such; however, this one is just too far fetched and it has no evidence to back it up. I know how much you want Dark Link to appear, but this is affecting your theories as everyone seems to revolve around him and it's leading you too stretch your theories far beyond speculation. Just some constrictive criticism as I think your ideas are really good.

Anyway, if Ravio has a twin brother then where is Link's? It's stuff like this which you have to rely on too make your theories seem plausible. This is why many people disagree.

 

[Shadow Blade]

A good theory has solid ground to stand on, and the more solid ground you have the better, solid ground in my opinion is evidence and plausibility you only need one of these though its better to have both, if you don't have solid ground to build your theory on it will likely collapse into itself like an old house with no foundation.