Let me ask the two of you for some more concrete reasonings as to why you trust Gummy so much. Sure, I am not particularly suspicious of her myself, but I do not see a reason to rule her out the way you do.
2 things. First, for the same reasons as I trusted you. I think this is really her town play. The amount of initiative she takes, the risks when really trying to question everyone, that all seems to me like someone who is genuinely trying to hunt scum. Second, Exactly what sadia said:
Yesterday, Gummy confirmed that I targeted her Night 2, therefore discrediting Storm`s argument against me. Had she been scum, she wouldn`t have done this. Why are you asking this though?? You yourself said you trust Gummy.
It's somewhat based on the assumption that Sadia is town. But I believe that is the case, and such trust added by Sadia when I was already positive about Gumball makes me believe she is town. But I do not rule out the possibility that she's scum the way I do with Sadia. However, given the fact that I have good reasons to doubt Pendio and Johnny's allignments right now (and I also do not exclude Kirino), she does not really seem like a danger to me.
Godfather role. I will rule out myself because I know my own role and I will rule out Sadia because of how hard Storm tried to go after her yesterday.
Probably. I think you're right. But, I would wonder now, do you think he/she would then also be investigation/nightkill immune? Normally I'd say yes, but I wonder, because in this game we have all these modifiers and an active/non-active ability. Investigation/nightkill immunity is not really an ability I would say, so how would this then work with the traits and such?
I think it is important to stay sharp right now, your suggestion that there is a godfather seems very logical. However, with the set-up of the game, I'm not sure if I buy that there is someone alive with exactly these abilities at the moment. I think it is at least equally possible that this last remaining mafiosi (if there is only 1 left, but I think that is the case) also has 2 abilities, like most other players in this game.
When I think about it, Storm and his scum buds must have made this scheme (the one where Storm would say he blocked me) up together during Night 2. As soon as Day 3 started, Storm voted me. Now, there could be two things that his scumbuds would try to do. Either a) try and distance themselves as much as possible from Storm`s statements, and go against him or b) subtly try and encourage the fakeclaim. I feel like Pendio did the first (if he`s scum, that is.) Something just seems off to me in the way he kept repeating this so straightforwardly:
Could be. But if I remembered it right, wasn't he truly a mafia roleblocker? Like, in a sense he may not have been lying right? Or am I saying something now that makes no sense.
I`m conflicted on this reaction. In this post, Kokirion seems to believe Storm`s claim. As scum, would he really want to agree and associate himself with another scumbud`s fakeclaim? Or, it could be what I said before, where a scum would try and subtly agree with a mafia`s fakeclaim and try and sway the town into voting me? As you can see, in this post, Kokiron said he`s not completely `sold`on the evidence, and does not outwardly vote me either. Subtle. Also, when it comes to conjuring up fakeclaims, kokirion is also notorious for that, isn`t he. So, I really don`t have a conclusive read on kokirion at this point in the game. I`ll have to look into his posts more.
Fair, but how often do am I truly not careful when supporting/attacking someone? I don't think that's related to my allegiance. I'm always calculating stuff, and things are rarely 100% the case. I don't think this reaction was much different then my reactions to almost everything else that happened in Lineages and TF2.
My one sole qualm about Pendio looking so suspicious is that Frozen should (and probably would) have blocked Pendio, aka probably the only scum left. Yet somehow a kill went through. Now I know there are things like silent modifiers, which would have ensured that his kill would go through no matter what. However I am confident that Frozen would have picked Pendio to block considering his adamant suspicions. With Pendio potentially blocked, why was there a scum kill?
I did some research, and I quoted Viral's opening post. I left out everything that I think is irrelevant, all the mechanisms/traits/etc. below could potentially have obstructed a roleblock from Froyo.
Trait Modifiers
Negative Traits
Dimwitted – 50% chance of action failure.
Weak – Lose ability for the night.
Clumsy – 50% chance of failing action. If failed, 25% chance of revealing yourself to target.
Slow – Each Night action finishes being performed the next day when a player is hammered (or at deadline).
Positive Traits
Smart – Gain both your abilities this night. Your active ability has a 100% of succeeding, and your secondary ability has a 50% chance.
Quick – Gain a 2 shot action in the same night. Both submitted at the same time. Forgo your next night action.
Silent – Cannot be Roleblocked.
Night Action Resolution Rules
- Each layer of defence from a protection role or modifier only blocks one night kill.
I mean, I thought there would probably be 1 or 2 exceptions, but I actually found 7 (!!!!) traits that could've obstructed Froyo's possible roleblock. 4 negative traits for Froyo himself, as well as 3 for any potential mafiosi (namely, a roleblock only stops one kill, as I quoted. So if the killer had 2 shots or something, he/she did not even need to have the silent trait to kill). So I am not at all in favour of removing suspicion because it was likely that this person may have been roleblocked by Froyo last night. If ANY of these 7 traits were at play, it would've been super convenient for the "blocked" person to now claim it was impossible.
Right and that's all well and good but you never really stated why in any of them, except the first quote.
And then 3 days later you've got this:
no alternate lynch suggestions but in the post before you could see Storm being mafia? Why not suggest to lynch the person you are potentially suspicious of rather than let a lynch happen that you do not approve of?
And that's not really a reason on Kokirion either, you just went "gut feeling uwu" is there anything other than that?
Plus I keep seeing you softclaim an action but I just can't think of what you could be. I don't want you to claim at all , don't get me wrong, I just can't think of any possibility. (this statement has zero point to it but i'm just thinking out loud at this point)
@kokirion @Kirino hi friends I know the day just started but I am an impatient. please say something
Johnny, what's your opinion on Pendio? Do you think he's scum? Or is he town put in a bad spot by Storm?
Kind of hard to jump in during the middle of the night
And about Pendio. The truth is that it is just flipping a coin. Whatever will be said, whatever has been said, it's flipping a coin. I like to believe he is innocent, I find his play to be rather townish as I explained a number of times before, but this Storm statement... and then like I theorised above, I neither buy the hypothesis that he could not have been the killer because he may have been roleblocked by Froyo. There are too many ways to get out of that, and might just be too convenient to now claim town due to an event caused by the mafia maybe (or a froyo error).
But on terms of playstyle, I trust Johnny less. Actually, I'm more inclined to lynch him than Pendio. I think I'm pretty sure at least one of them is scum, but who? I doubt we will find that out by discussing the same over and over again. The bottom line is that I think both their chances are 50/50 of being scum. I'm fine with lynching any of them, but I would prefer Johnny. I like to weigh his playstyle heavier than Pendio's Storm thingy.
