I think I can fix the timeline so that the new revelations in TotK do not contradict the lore of the past games.

[mαrkαsscoρ]

The Minish are the whole reason why Rupees and stuff are hidden under bushes in Zelda games, and yet we only see them in one game, which is also the only game where they're even mentioned. This concept really isn't as foreign to the series as you are making it sound.

And if this is a reboot, why are there detailed historical accounts of the Era of the Hero of Time?

holy cow I didn't say it was a reboot, I said it feels like they wanted to reboot it

which they perfectly did in a soft sense (NOT literally) by making botw far removed from the other games, yet in this one they went back and spray painted on past lore

ganondorf was around the whole time, the rito existed the whole time, zonai and zonai tech were around the whole time, there's a 4th set of sky islands having nothing to do w/ the other sky islands that are also their own thing

 

[Moblinking5000]

ganondorf was around the whole time, the rito existed the whole time, zonai and zonai tech were around the whole time, there's a 4th set of sky islands having nothing to do w/ the other sky islands that are also their own thing

Yeah, a different Ganondorf from the one in OoT was around the whole time, but FSA already opened that door for new Ganons, even if different Ganons are far less common than different Links and Zeldas. Already talked about the Rito, but the Zonai aren't really contradictory either, and the sky island thing was something I was expecting before release.

 

[Bowsette Plus-Ultra]

Yeah, a different Ganondorf from the one in OoT was around the whole time, but FSA already opened that door for new Ganons, even if different Ganons are far less common than different Links and Zeldas. Already talked about the Rito, but the Zonai aren't really contradictory either, and the sky island thing was something I was expecting before release.

The Zonai kind of contradict the whole of Skyloft, since TotK just pretends that nothing about Skyloft happens. The Rito are contradictory by never being referenced in a previous game ever outside of Wind Waker.

 

[Moblinking5000]

The Zonai kind of contradict the whole of Skyloft, since TotK just pretends that nothing about Skyloft happens. The Rito are contradictory by never being referenced in a previous game ever outside of Wind Waker.

How do they contradict the whole of Skyloft? And not being mentioned isn't a contradiction; it just means they aren't relevant.

Also, TWW Rito=/=BotW/TotK Rito, most likely, based on their culture and biology.

 

[mαrkαsscoρ]

the minish leaving rupees in grass isn't anything compared to all that, it's one thing for a game to retcon or give weird context to something already established, TotK tries to say that it's weird elements were in the background throughout the entire franchise


these aren't revelations, they're intrusive plot points that the game just says you should accept

 

[Bowsette Plus-Ultra]

How do they contradict the whole of Skyloft? And not being mentioned isn't a contradiction; it just means they aren't relevant.

Also, TWW Rito=/=BotW/TotK Rito, most likely, based on their culture and biology.

Because Skyloft is the only significant sky-based civilization presented in the entire franchise and Zelda is just content to ignore it. That's an inconvenient fact regardless of which timeline branch you try and cram BotW/TotK into.

 

[Moblinking5000]

Because Skyloft is the only significant sky-based civilization presented in the entire franchise and Zelda is just content to ignore it. That's an inconvenient fact regardless of which timeline branch you try and cram BotW/TotK into.

Um, no? There's also the Sky Tribe mentioned in TMC, and the Oocca. There's many sky based civilizations in the series.

 

[Bowsette Plus-Ultra]

Um, no? There's also the Sky Tribe mentioned in TMC, and the Oocca. There's many sky based civilizations in the series.

None of which are internally consistent with each other and all of which are ignored in every entry in which one is mentioned. Each game pretends that the other two don't exist.

 

[Moblinking5000]

None of which are internally consistent with each other and all of which are ignored in every entry in which one is mentioned. Each game pretends that the other two don't exist.

Skyloft isn't directly mentioned outside of SS, either. And why would it? Why would the others be mentioned when they have no relevance to what's going on with the plots of any other game?

Sorry, but I find this entire discussion to be...bizarre, quite frankly.

 

[Bowsette Plus-Ultra]

Skyloft isn't directly mentioned outside of SS, either. And why would it? Why would the others be mentioned when they have no relevance to what's going on with the plots of any other game?

Sorry, but I find this entire discussion to be...bizarre, quite frankly.

Because... series consistency? Outside of Zelda there's sort of an expectation that the internal history of a game franchise won't just ignore and contradict the previous entries. Take something like Assassins Creed. Even though that franchise has more entries than Zelda with many more on the way it still manages to maintain its history, reference past events, and not introduce plot elements that take a dump all over the stuff introduced in the previous entry.

 

[mαrkαsscoρ]

Sorry, but I find this entire discussion to be...bizarre, quite frankly.

b/c tears spray painting over the older games was a bizarre decision

 

[Bowsette Plus-Ultra]

b/c tears spray painting over the older games was a bizzare decision

You didn't like the introduction of the Imprisoning Scuffle?

 

[Moblinking5000]

Because... series consistency? Outside of Zelda there's sort of an expectation that the internal history of a game franchise won't just ignore and contradict the previous entries. Take something like Assassins Creed. Even though that franchise has more entries than Zelda with many more on the way it still manages to maintain its history, reference past events, and not introduce plot elements that take a dump all over the stuff introduced in the previous entry.

Zelda references past events, too.

Zelda 2 references Zelda 1 in its intro.

The Wind Waker is a sequel to Ocarina of Time taking place centuries later, featuring a new hero while referencing the hero and events from OoT constantly.

Spirit Tracks takes place 100 years after TWW/PH, featuring a character from those games who is still alive, while referencing other characters from both games.

Four Swords Adventures references the events of Four Swords in its intro.

BotW/TotK references the Era of the Hero of Time there and there.

Those are just a few examples, too.

 

[Bowsette Plus-Ultra]

Zelda references past events, too.

Zelda 2 references Zelda 1 in its intro.

The Wind Waker is a sequel to Ocarina of Time taking place centuries later, featuring a new hero while referencing the hero and events from OoT constantly.

Spirit Tracks takes place 100 years after TWW/PH, featuring a character from those games who is still alive, while referencing other characters from both games.

Four Swords Adventures references the events of Four Swords in its intro.

BotW/TotK references the Era of the Hero of Time there and there.

Those are just a few examples, too.

Alright, answer me this: what specific events does BotW reference? Like, what events does it drop with actual detail?

 

[mαrkαsscoρ]

You didn't like the introduction of the Imprisoning Scuffle?

no, I did not like nintendo teasing me w/ the idea that is a cool follow to LTTP only to slap me w/ a dismembered arm