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Spoiler Do People Really Think Link is Dead in Majora's Mask?
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I always thought it referred to Navi. She's the reason Link gets involved in this whole mess anyways, and it makes more sense for Link to go through the stages of grief for the loss of a friend of his than go through the stages of grief because he died.
Also the whole timeline thing.
Also the whole timeline thing.
Nah! That is just the great imagination of us fans, creating theories out of tiny, tiny things that the developers never even thought of. Especially since Link is seen back in the unknown forest of Hyrule near the end of the end credits, still with the gear he got in Termina.
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My favorite version of this theory is the first one I heard wherein Link dies in the first after eating some first mushrooms, then his life flashes back before his eyes, but he's risky trying balls at the time.
But seriously, it's a cool theory and I like it. It's unfortunately not canon, and we can't do anything about that, but I'm still open to discussing non canon theories since they're often more interesting. So if it's for a separate theory than the official timeline, it could totally happen. The Hero's Shade I don't think is enough to debunk the theory by himself, as many here are claiming. We don't know what lies under a Skill Kid's garb, so they could be similar to a stal child. Also, who's to say that they can't transform into another form later in life... Or in death, I guess... Moreover, the Hero's Shade is clearly more than a mere Stalfos; he has the personally and will of the hero still within him. Perhaps a spirit so strong as the Hero of Time's could resist the curse and tandems to a different form entirely.
But seriously, it's a cool theory and I like it. It's unfortunately not canon, and we can't do anything about that, but I'm still open to discussing non canon theories since they're often more interesting. So if it's for a separate theory than the official timeline, it could totally happen. The Hero's Shade I don't think is enough to debunk the theory by himself, as many here are claiming. We don't know what lies under a Skill Kid's garb, so they could be similar to a stal child. Also, who's to say that they can't transform into another form later in life... Or in death, I guess... Moreover, the Hero's Shade is clearly more than a mere Stalfos; he has the personally and will of the hero still within him. Perhaps a spirit so strong as the Hero of Time's could resist the curse and tandems to a different form entirely.
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The Hero's Shade's main role in the game was to teach Link the Hidden Skills, the first one being necessary to defeat Ganondorf entirely. It's clear, that, based on Link's abilities in Majora's Mask, he did not yet create these skills, so he HAD to have gone back to Hyrule at some point, created the skills, was unable to teach them to anyone like he wished (possibly his children or other close companions he might have had), and then died, setting up the Hero's Shade's entire purpose in TP.
Also, he's literally the bloodline ancestor of the the Hero Chosen by the Gods; he had to have gotten it on at least one point after he got back after Majora's Mask.
Also, he's literally the bloodline ancestor of the the Hero Chosen by the Gods; he had to have gotten it on at least one point after he got back after Majora's Mask.
Have my two cents:
I think it is very rare in this brand of theorizing that people believe anything is "literally" the case. Like I don't think Mattpat or anyone who developed the Link dead theory actually downright believes that the game you're playing is from the perspective of a dead kid with a mask fetish or that the developers were intentionally creating this game from that perspective. Anymore than say....A A Milne intended Winnie the Pooh to be read as an allegory for mental illness or that Harry Potter is mentally ill.
That isn't to say that creators don't leave little things around for observant audiences to notice, just that it isn't usually as firm as "this is what is actually going on".
I also think this happens a lot, to be honest, because cliches are quite broad, allegories are broad, almost everything can be read using the bible, the divine comedy, or any number of psychological readings because we're taking the broad strokes of each of those topics. And I don't see anything inherently wrong with any of that. I think it is a lot of fun to see the Matrix and get a biblical reading out of it. I think it is very hilarious to see Harry Potter's grand quest and life as the product of a disturbed mind. I think that looking at a game like Majora's Mask and seeing him as dead lends itself to some semi-interesting explorations.
I also don't, to be very post-modern, think it matters much if it is literally true. If you play Majora's Mask after losing someone or something, and see those themes, and get something significant from it, I don't see it much being of interest to know if the creator intended it, the point is that you got it and it made the experience that much richer for you.
But if you're really set on knowing if it was intentional or if you got the sign you were supposed to, I am sorry to say I do not think so. Loss and grieving death is a very common theme in art. Without taking any psychological decoding of how grief works, I think it is very common for people to be sad, angry, bargain, etc. without you needing to have that very academic perspective of it.
I mean, I've never cared much for Majora's Mask, but it's just as easy to read the "terrible fate" that Link has met with as being the fate of heroism. I think the game can just as easily be seen as this sort of in depth exploration on the darkness that comes with having the weight of the world (or moon) on your shoulders and the things you come across if you're acting in a heroic capacity (the loss, pain, and death often inherent to the hero's quest). I'm not saying that's what the creators intended, but I am saying I can get that from it without too much of a mental gymnastic.
I think it is very rare in this brand of theorizing that people believe anything is "literally" the case. Like I don't think Mattpat or anyone who developed the Link dead theory actually downright believes that the game you're playing is from the perspective of a dead kid with a mask fetish or that the developers were intentionally creating this game from that perspective. Anymore than say....A A Milne intended Winnie the Pooh to be read as an allegory for mental illness or that Harry Potter is mentally ill.
That isn't to say that creators don't leave little things around for observant audiences to notice, just that it isn't usually as firm as "this is what is actually going on".
I also think this happens a lot, to be honest, because cliches are quite broad, allegories are broad, almost everything can be read using the bible, the divine comedy, or any number of psychological readings because we're taking the broad strokes of each of those topics. And I don't see anything inherently wrong with any of that. I think it is a lot of fun to see the Matrix and get a biblical reading out of it. I think it is very hilarious to see Harry Potter's grand quest and life as the product of a disturbed mind. I think that looking at a game like Majora's Mask and seeing him as dead lends itself to some semi-interesting explorations.
I also don't, to be very post-modern, think it matters much if it is literally true. If you play Majora's Mask after losing someone or something, and see those themes, and get something significant from it, I don't see it much being of interest to know if the creator intended it, the point is that you got it and it made the experience that much richer for you.
But if you're really set on knowing if it was intentional or if you got the sign you were supposed to, I am sorry to say I do not think so. Loss and grieving death is a very common theme in art. Without taking any psychological decoding of how grief works, I think it is very common for people to be sad, angry, bargain, etc. without you needing to have that very academic perspective of it.
I mean, I've never cared much for Majora's Mask, but it's just as easy to read the "terrible fate" that Link has met with as being the fate of heroism. I think the game can just as easily be seen as this sort of in depth exploration on the darkness that comes with having the weight of the world (or moon) on your shoulders and the things you come across if you're acting in a heroic capacity (the loss, pain, and death often inherent to the hero's quest). I'm not saying that's what the creators intended, but I am saying I can get that from it without too much of a mental gymnastic.
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Well, the reason why Mattpat pisses off a lot of passionate fans are that his fanbase begins to literally believe what he's saying, and then we have to keep proving to them that it's not the case over and over again.
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I just want to put out there that the theory was out there long before Mattpat made his video. I think his is the most detailed video presentation of it, but I remember talking about the theory on this very message board (or possibly Zelda Power) years before he popularized the theory.
Unfortunately, too many people still think Link is dead in Majora's Mask since MatPat popularised the theory. Since most of the people watching don't actually know the Zelda lore, they just believe MatPat to be right because he only tells one side of the theory where it looks as if Link died.
The Link is dead theory doesn't have any ground for it to stand on because there is so much evidence to disprove the theory. YouTubers have made debunking videos against the theory which are detailed and actually uses lore as the evidence instead of speculation like MatPat uses. Here is one of the videos I'm talking about: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LxTf5hjvOCU
The Link is dead theory doesn't have any ground for it to stand on because there is so much evidence to disprove the theory. YouTubers have made debunking videos against the theory which are detailed and actually uses lore as the evidence instead of speculation like MatPat uses. Here is one of the videos I'm talking about: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LxTf5hjvOCU
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It didn't have to do with the fact he was dead but with how he was grieving over Navi's death.
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I don't think it really matters if Link was actually meant to be dead in MM. I just think it's a cool theory. Heck, I wouldn't be surprised if Mattpat didn't believe it himself and was just pointing out some evidence used for a neat interpretation that some players have come up with (because Mattpat doesn't always come up with his theories on his own, oftentimes he just spotlights them). I think it shows the strength of MM's themes and atmosphere as a work of art that it can have different interpretations.
Link doesn't even have to be dead to experience these weird scenes. It could just have been a dream or a world influenced by Link's memories.
Link doesn't even have to be dead to experience these weird scenes. It could just have been a dream or a world influenced by Link's memories.