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You played really well Echo! I always feel kind of bad as scum pushing people because I know they're town. So that was not an easy win especially with y'all being so close. It was a really fun game though and I enjoyed the setup a ton! Thanks for hosting funnier!

I don't see myself going anywhere but Rubik today. He seems the most scummy from vote analysis. And has some iffy mechanical problems. Vote: Rubik

Giri/Doc is the only one who has been doing that. You have plenty of info to read into other people. Two of which are scum even if Doc is.

Those are basically the same reasonings so I don't see the problem? You don't go for the low info lynch in lylo when it's basically a shot in the dark. You go for the people you have actual scum info on. I don't get why this isn't obvious?

It's frustrating that the case on me is just that I'm not townie enough. I think that's quite a gamble to make in lylo when I've given actual vote analysis and mechanical readings on why others are scum. Like how is the fact that Rubik has been close to being lynched twice and still hasn't...

Oh, that wasn't hiding it. I was considering both options. Because at the time we had no clue what the die did. Except for you. I'm pretty sure I even suggested multiple times someone could have bus driver or whatever.

Wait what?

I have no abilites. And you have an ability to save yourself. Plus it's more of an account of your skill too.

I haven't. I just want the discussion to be there. It seemed like a lot of people were just content to say "oh it's definitely just Doc or Minish" and not give reasons.

Why? I'm just not sure why everyone is seeming to throw some shade on him, I've laid out a good reason for why he seems scummy. And he's been saved from being lynched twice. I don't get why an unknown like Doc and myself who no one has even given a case on and who is a pig right now are the only...

But like, we all agree Rubik is scum right?

Can I pig funnier and become the host? But yeah, I'm fine on swapping with anyone but Echo/sunfan probably.

I was okay with a Rubik lynch but felt better about Johnny at the time. I even gave reasoning for why a Rubik lynch was okay yesterday too. But I was scumreading Johnny more and everyone seemed torn, so I figured if we could get people to agree on one person that would be better. Johnny seemed...

Kinda feel like my big post was ignored. Lol. Can everyone post their lynch tiers? And explain why? Rubik said it feels like I'm content to sit back and watch town shoot itself in the foot, but I'm actually trying to figure stuff out here. I've given my reasons for my top suspects. And why I...

How can I be considered for lynch when no one has even made a case against me? I asked for one earlier and no one gave one. All I've heard anyone have against me this game is that I'm not screaming townie. But that's kind of hard to keep up every game. Just look at Batman mafia where I barely...

I mean I would have suggested how to deal with the die anyways because it's helpful for town to get rid of unknowns. It would've just been nice to have the information you had about it though to work with what we could. Yeah but you didn't say you have proof that it was until now!

What's the case on me again? Mechanically I feel like I've been the least suspicious. Yeah, my reads have been **** but I can't be great all the time. You've got sunfan over here who was supposedly redirected. You have Tristan (town), LG, and Ex all claiming redirecting roles. You have...

Not really. I just didn't want to use the roleblock when I didn't have a good idea of the state of the game. Because if I used it one night and then the next day the person I blocked claimed they were cop or vig or something then I would be screwed because I couldn't stop it. Felt like a gamble...

I was like 50/50 on you. That's why I voyeured you, to see if we could get info on what caused you to lose your abilities. Because if say, someone used an item on you I could possibly flavor solve who it was. I also wasn't sure if the die would show up if it was responsible, so I thought it...

My abilities are tied to my item, which allowed me to time travel. So I got my results the night I used them, but I could only use them to check previous nights. The roleblock only works in the future. So I was hesitant to use it since I didn't want to block someone and then have the events of...

So last night I used a voyeur ability to find out what actions were used on you n1. And the results were that nothing happened to you. I don't know if the die would show up as a result, or if you're just lying about losing your abilities. Sunfan is correct about two shots missing. Though two of...

Lg, why don't you ditch sunfan and Rubik and move into a neighborhood with me. :bubsy:

If he was essentially backup we know his role from Tristan right? Sup.

Well there's always a lynch d1 (unless no lynch which sucks). My thought was that it would essentially be a do over to whoever got lynched. Start with no alignment, inherit whatever gets lynch. Actually ya, amnesiac probably is what is his instead of backup (because I just made the character...

****, I just realized my insane backup theory might make more sense if he is scum. He would want to get an sk like role (which is what we thought it was) if he were scum.

But if he's scum they'd get 2 shots no?

Him jailing you for scumreading you when you literally claimed vanilla and were under suspicion. Plus like I haven't brought this up because it's kinda weak, but Johnny knew he was backup. But he still lynched claimed 3rd party which seems like a weird choice for backup to me. I don't have solid...

Yes I don't feel like an extra day is gonna do me any good. I'm lucky I have the motivation right now. Pressure near eod is good for telling lynches.

Because I'm not explicitly scumreading Giri. The only thing against him is that he dropped off in activity. And I don't like easy lynches that give no info.

I learned I have to blind myself to sunfan or Rubik AtE because they trick my dumbass so hard with it.

Unvote Vote: Johnny

I will literally go back to a Johnny wagon if there is enough interest.

Tbh, I don't even think activity is AI for Rubik. That's why I wasn't scum reading him before. But when I looked back at his voting he came out looking not so great. Y'all gonna tell me that the Namira wagon was pure town? Because I won't believe it.

Y'all can see for yourselves that activity isn't AI for me. I phoned it in during Batman mafia where I was town. And I worked my ass off in MtG mafia when I was scum.

I'm not of the mindset that you're going to flip town. And I can see both town and scum motivation for your mechanical actions.

I was actually suggesting redirector or probabilitor because we literally don't know. Like I said, Probabilitor makes sense when you suggest it for losing your abilities (the night before it was actually released) but not when we have something unexplained going on. Also I literally suggested...

Ex literally keeps throwing out anything hoping it sticks. He keeps going with the tinfoily theories and saying other more reasonable theories are full tinfoil. He wanted to lynch sunfan because lynch all liars when I know he doesn't believe that. He even tried to say he's turned a new leaf...

How does my vote for you over Giri look terrible when I've actually town read Giri before this, and he hasn't done much to change that other than just not post? I'm typically against low info lynches when there are more viable options. And looking at d2 I feel like you came out looking worse...

Giri has kinda dropped off since the beginning of the game. And he hasn't been quite as strong as he seemed at the beginning. So I do get the suspicion on him. But also agree his lynch is a low effort one and that he is probably easier to resolve in the night. Especially after the Namira lynch...

Sorry, I had intentions of responding to stuff. But then I got caught up finishing the second Ace Attorney and think I'm coming down with another ear infection so have been kinda nauseous/dizzy. I'll try to look into Rubik/Giri specifically since they seem like the two options today. So it'll...

Man, you guys were busy. Lots to respond to so I'll get to all of that later. But I just wanted to say I doubt lie detector would be in the game with the amount other invest roles we seem to have. It comes up so infrequently that it's pretty easy to say something and act like it's the truth...

Not particularly at the moment. I'm kinda curious on a Johnny counterwagon. Johnny is joat now. Sure he might have a cop shot but I also kinda think he's scum (and you do to) so it's kinda pointless. And knowing my role I doubt there would be more invest type roles. Ex, I really don't...

Can you say if your bus driving ability was tied to an item? Because that could explain if they just got that ability somehow.

Okay, you can't say that when you were wanting to figure out the die because you lost abilities and thought that could be the reason. Lol. Fact is we don't know what the die did so it very well could be the explanation.

No? That was in response to me saying maybe scum had a way to take one of your abilities and you said it couldn't have been because you had bus driver.

How is you being the only one pursuing his lynch an indicator that he's scum. It could just be that you're reading him wrong no?

Unless rag and Johnny were bus drive and scum tried to kill Johnny. Not sure if I believe that but it's a possibility. Still just think it could be the effect of the die though. I believe Tristan can still check to see if Moe has it or not?

We don't even know how the journals exchange hands. Even if he got that one back what good does it do him? Tristan already said Moe's journal was in limbo. So no one got it when he died.

I said that because you were talking as if you didn't even really care about sunfan's alignment, but just wanted the role out of the game. I'm not about to resolve a role before alignment. It's fine if sunfan is actually a scumread of yours but you're not gonna convince anyone by worrying...

Ex...we are not lynching a potential townie just because they could give scum a baby face ability when the cop is already dead. That's just crazy to me. You lynch scumreads, not roles. You could even make the argument that the role is good against scum because if you swap with scum they have...