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Gg though. The ending was super stressful but ultimately it was the strength of Kirino's claim that did us in, so kudos to you. This was a fun game and it was nice to have a cool role!

Tfw we would have had a guaranteed win if we'd lynched both SMS and kirino That's a derp moment if I've ever seen one

I feel a lot more confident about this knowing that you redirected an action onto SMS the night Soneji was seen as blocking him. It's too much of a coincidence if SMS isn't scum. If he isn't, then gg Kirino, but in this situation we have to go with who is most likely to be scum based on all the...

Vote: Spiritual Mask Salesman

Everything lines up for SMS to be the last scum. Minish planted seeds on him early on for a potential bus opportunity later (even voting him) and now his claim is the only one not to have been verified. Kirino's last two Tracker results were easy to fake but his claim really does hold up...

Yeah I'm down to try this again. Vote: No Lynch

Alright, so here's what we know: Rubik is town. Mafia targeted him. I protected him, confirmed by Kirino. Kirino, therefore, knows Rubik was targeted by the mafia; whether or not it's from a Track or because he is mafia remains to be seen. @Spiritual Mask Salesman who did you check last night?

@Namira can you confirm that this is lylo rather than mylo?

See, I did target Rubik, but I did it because I couldn't self protect and I assumed it would redirect to myself, under the assumption that mafia was going to try and kill me. But yeah, I confirm that checks out. Now, the problem is that if Kirino is scum and targeted Rubik, he would obviously...

That's precisely what I was going to do.

I believe that's the plan, yeah.

Yeah, I think everyone has basically said everything they needed to this phase. Vote: No Lynch

If the mafia has 2 nks we'd have already lost.

Kirino's role is provable if he tracks me and states my target before I do, is that what you're getting at? He kinda already did that in regards to my Doc kill, that would have been a hell of a good guess. Unless he's actually the mafia role cop, checked me, and figured I would go through with...

Plausible scenario: N2: Doc kills Minish, mafia kills Ex. His kill doesn't go through due to NKs having priority over other NKs. Soneji targets you, since I do recall you saying you had an ability of some kind though I can't remember exactly when that was. Roleblock is redirected to SMS, which...

Aaaaand that would actually explain a lot about the events of night 2.

*how would he have known I swear I shouldn't mafia on mobile

But that is actually a really good point on why Soneji could have potentially been seen as hitting SMS. But then if SMS he was roleblocked that night, how would he have if he's the godfather and Ex was killed? Unless he has some other ability, which come to think of it nobody has investigated...

the latter is more likely since I don't think Ex killed himself lol

Fair enough, I kinda figured.

Is your ability unlimited? Because that's basically deathproof if so lol

*provable, not probable.

I have one remaining ability, a protection. It is probable tonight as long as I target the correct person, which means I'll have to out predict the mafia. As for whether I can self protect, I would like to keep that to myself.

Anyway, I've got stuff to do and places to be so I'll be gone for a few hours. I've said my part, it's really up to Rubik at this point. I really think Kirino is the last scum, but only because of the Soneji result from night 2. In my head, the only scenario I can think of that makes sense is...

@Rubik @Kirino where'd you guys go! :c

Unless you lied about being roleblocked. Or Kirino lied about tracking him. But why listen to me your one-sided logic must be superior?

Also, depending on the host, certain roleblocks can be given priority over others. That's the only other explanation I can think of and is also perfectly plausible. There's also the possibility that you're lying about being roleblocked but then why would Kirino have seen Soneji visit you? I...

So would you be willing to accept the simple possibility that Kirino was lying about targeting Soneji? Like I've been trying to get at for a while now?

You still don't get it. I was saying if Kirino is a mafia tracker, yes he would know I targeted Doc night 3. And yes, he could have easily made up targeting Soneji the previous night. How hard is this to understand? I was very vaguely hinting towards JoaT after I checked Poy, and Minish caught...

Can you refresh my mind on what exactly happened with the weird roleblocking situation with Poy earlier? Or at least link me to the page in which that discussion occurred?

I literally didn't do anything during night 2, how difficult is that to understand?

That same evidence points to me as town and you're just twisting it to paint me as scum.

I don't even know how to respond to this without simply facepalming over such a ludicrous question.

SMS, you are simply refusing to be transparent and it is extremely frustrating. You seem so fixated on this one wild idea and are downright refusing to imagine it any other way. You've been acting that way this entire day phase thus far. It's certainly not pro-town, whether you are town or not.

You didn't get what I was saying. If he is a mafia tracker, it would be really easy to fake results since you obviously know what your scumbuds are doing.

Yeah, it would be a waste, in which case he would just lie about it. Why would you assume if he is scum that everything he said in terms of night actions was truthful? Obviously, in that case he would know Soneji targeted you and could very easily just say he tracked him.

tbh the weirdness with Soneji having targeted him is probably the only thing stopping me from voting SMS right now. Hardly any of what he's saying makes any sense and he's fishing in absurdly deep waters to come up with these weird theories.

With 3 mafia in a game with only 7 townies, why in the world would they be granted a potential extra kill along with a roleblocker plus someone with at least an extra two roleblocks and a Strongman along with the GF being investigation immune? Like I get the town team was stacked, but that just...

Actually, also looking back, Minish's initial vote on SMS was incredibly opportunistic. The problem with this is that I can read it and understand with SMS's alignment being either town or scum.

For the sake of transparency, I would to also point out that SMS was not only involved with the lynch of an obvious Survivor, but was the first vote on said lynch, alongside Minish.

Minish would. And I can see her encouraging you to fake claim too.

This completely ignores the point I was trying to make but aight.

Also, let's not forget the other part: Mafia already had a roleblocker, why would there be a JoaT on that team who could roleblock twice? Seriously, this is ridiculous that it's even being considered.

You realize JoaTs are almost always one-shot right? In fact I've never seen one that wasn't. This really does sound like a huge stretch.

This is even more outlandish than a Tracker Godfather, especially when we already know the Mafia had a roleblocker, or at least it seems highly likely that was what Soneji's role was.

Honestly, at this point SMS is the only remaining player who has in no way been able to prove his role. I do find it strange that Soneji would target him, but it's also possible that he had another hidden ability of some kind?

@Kirino can you confirm that my roleblock on you last night was successful?

Unless I'm misremembering, Kirino tracked Soneji that night? My mind is a little fuzzy but I remember something along those lines. If that's the case, I don't see any reason for Town Kirino to lie about his result, and there was no evidence of a redirector in this game, so that would be a...

Right now, for me, I think this is pretty much banking on what Kirino says when he comes in.

Mafia Tracker is certainly possible. However, I want to hear what he has to say. Right now, I am actually starting to lean more towards Kirino being a town tracker and you being the GF who simply chose an easy role to fake claim and decided to holster last night for exactly the reason you stated.