Im at work. Stop being Paranoid, King@Storm, I want a response. What is your plan as the pinata?
Im at work. Stop being Paranoid, King@Storm, I want a response. What is your plan as the pinata?
I think this is all pretty good points; I do think they are most likely telling the truth about what their role is, simply because it makes the most sense, but you're right about the role not necessarily being AI.In light of Storm's lack of response, I'd like to bring talk about some of the reactions to their lynch.
The lynch wasn't a great one, because they weren't around much, so we wouldn't learn much from it. But it wasn't a bad one either. Some people seem to have taken Storm surviving as indication that they're not mafia, though.
Storm is not a confirmed pinata. They are not a confirmed town. They are just a person who survived being lynched.
So here's what Storm had to say.
Essentially, dying is bad because it gives the mafia and SKs 3 kills apiece.
But they will die eventually. The question is just how soon.
But they respond to that with a strange, defeatist attitude. They revealed all the details of how they would die, in order to stop anyone from accidentally killing them, but gave up because they could be intentionally killed. They revealed how they would die, but refuse to reveal information about possible benefits of their death. They focus on a triple mafia kill, but refused to answer whether it would also triple cops. This is really suspicious to me.
Some of the responses to their lynch are strange, too.
These are examples of good analysis. They don't assume Storm's alignment, just discuss what possible outcomes of this information would be.
This feels like a weird position to take. It's oddly defensive of storm and seems to assume that they are town. Nothing Storm has done indicates that.
This is, again, very pro-Storm. Not because of anything they did to indicate that, but because they're worried about the consequences.
I don't think the role is alignment indicative, because killing a team-member for a triple kill action is pretty good for mafia. It means they can win at Majority-2 instead of at Majority, so long as their sacrificial lamb.
I'm not going to back off of Storm just because they survived or revealed their role. If they're giving up, we can make use of the triple actions and get a better read on the people that responded to their lynch.
Perfect, that's all I need.Give me 4 to 5 Hours to get home and Settle, and you can all hear my Tin Hat Theory, get my reads List, and my plan to combat Mafia
This is, again, very pro-Storm. Not because of anything they did to indicate that, but because they're worried about the consequences.
I don't think the role is alignment indicative, because killing a team-member for a triple kill action is pretty good for mafia. It means they can win at Majority-2 instead of at Majority, so long as their sacrificial lamb.
I think this is all pretty good points; I do think they are most likely telling the truth about what their role is, simply because it makes the most sense, but you're right about the role not necessarily being AI.
just so we are clear, with my death the next night will allowPK said:They focus on a triple mafia kill, but refused to answer whether it would also triple cops. This is really suspicious to me
PK said:I know you're upset about being voted on yesterday, but what is your plan as a pinata? When do you think would be the best time for you to triple all actions? I lean towards sooner rather than later, so we have more helpful actions to use, but I'm curious to know what you think.
Oh, I see. I misread that entirely. You weren't assuming Storm's alignment. Them dying during the day slows down the rate at which people die, which is probably a good thing. My apologies.How was that pro-Storm and not anti you? I even admitted that Storm could be mafia, but that it would suck for them to have that role on their team. Which it would, because if we assume that Storm is telling the truth about being a 3x multiplier, and we assume that applies to everything, then that can out scum just as easy with all of the town roles. So it could negate 3 kills.
I said your plan of them dying that night was bad because in the case that Storm is town then it kills two townies at night, and then the next lynch could also be town. Whereas we could just kill Storm today and that lessens one possible town death.
Ah, thank you very much! I appreciate the clarification on which roles will be impacted. I think items will be affected too, since they have the same ability names, but do you know for sure if that's correct?STORM'S LIST OF BADASS F*CKITUDE
- Numbers-kind of laying low in my opinion
- DawningWinds-The Merchant (i believe them to be third party as they seem impartial to the whole wealth thing and may well have another wincon)
- Echolight-fell off the face of the earth, or perhaps thought night posts were not a thing
- Jinjo-seems to be poking DW about being potential scum, I do not feel DW is scum
- KoD-Seems to be out for blood according to our only real back and forth earlier in the day when KoD bought the things. a, did they use the thing, and b, what did they find?
- Laurentus-Synesthete (color watcher)
- Minish- floating out of view. typical Min Scumtell. keep a close eye
- Mintish-like what's your deal? do you really want 48 hour nights, 120 hour days, and no hammer rules? they are DLC, and Exlight Arts is seeling it for 7 votes for it
- PK-more of a neutral lean in my eyes
- Rag-trying to incriminate me by going "dont touch my boy because you'll be next
- Seanzie-I bet you have the Lost Woulds theme so you cant see that youre being a bit much
- Soul-fell off the face of the earth
- Storm-Pinata (Dirty Whore [thats what Im calling it if it is the opposite of a Princess])
just so we are clear, with my death the next night will allow
- Triple Mafia Night Kill
- Triple Serial Killer Kill
- Triple Cop
- Triple Watcher
- Triple Commuter
- Triple Doctor
- Triple Vigilante Kill
- Triple Investigation
- Triple Janitor
- Triple Vanillizer
- Triple Buck
- Triple Fruit Vendor
- Triple Bodyguard
- Triple Cult Recruitment
- Triple JOAT
- Triple Poisoner
- Triple Roleblock
- Triple Bartender
I mean... I could commit seppuku now. I think the day would end and then you'd get to triple whatever you got
my plan is to try to survive long enough to make easy work of scum.
and it's 6HP
only 3 votes to kill me. all game. literally on 1 and a half hearts. and i do not know if a Health Potion is in the cards, or part of DW's Catalog
i mean if scum was outed, we could lynch the godfather, then any killing roles can triple kill the mafia. but we dont have any scum out in the open right nowWhat do you mean by, "to try to survive long enough to make easy work of scum?" And at what point do you think town would be best served by your power?
Roles in this game may not be alignment indicative, the puppeteer could easily be either.
First it was "crazy, but smart" and now its "ugly"? Can you please explain why you shifted your stance on that play?
I did indicate prior to that that I'd prefer a PK lynch over a Storm lynch. So Numbers voting PK and making that an actual option is why I moved; its not my fault Numbers' PK vote happened so closed to the EoD.
If we don't trust Numbers (which I don't), having the whole game input on telling them to use their role on a specific person is the best way to force them to help town. They lie about who they target? Well there's a tracker for sale tomorrow that could well catch them, might not wanna do that (relatedly, I don't think whoever buys the tracker tomorrow should out until they've used it; WIFOM Numbers and anyone else who might be planning to lie about where they go into telling the truth and not give Mafia as much chance to use any of their presumably tripled nightkills on the tracker buyer). They lie about their results? If we mislynch as a result of it, that'll out them as scum; if they lie about their teammate being town it'll be harder to prove, but a town result from someone people don't really trust should generally be taken to not indicate much unless we get proof of Numbers' towniness later, at which point they stop being someone we don't trust so...