Point me to it because I didn't catch it.I provided evidence to disprove it
Point me to it because I didn't catch it.I provided evidence to disprove it
You have literally no basis for thinking this though, which is the part that bothers me. It's a baseless assumption. I clearly explained what it was that I found scummy about you. You can think what you want but you literally have no reason to.I already addressed that your read of me D1 was implicitly meta, you msy not have said it, but it was clesrly the underlying factor in your reasoning for suspecting me. You can deny it all you want.
I don't see how it's so hard to see where I'm coming from on this. You found my barebones reads lackluster, and why did you think they were lackluster? Because: "I know you can do more than this." I.e., it's scummy from me considering it was in your opinion a barebones D1 reads list from me, and you felt from me I could do better. There were some people who were active and had no reads at that time, some active players had reads and had less reads than me, Rag even admitted that at some point D1. You singled me out for some reason. Reading into it leads me to the conclusion that it was a meta read on me, with all that considered. It's not baseless, it's a perfectly natural deduction.You have literally no basis for thinking this though, which is the part that bothers me. It's a baseless assumption. I clearly explained what it was that I found scummy about you. You can think what you want but you literally have no reason to.
Anyway here's the post in which I addressed it.
Every time I try to retire from mafia people keep coming back and pressuring me to play again. I love the game, but I can't focus on it any more... especially not in a game this active.
Sorry @Pen . I'd love to play, but SMS is right. This game needs a more active player than me.
I've explained this. You went through the effort of posting a reads list but your reads were incredibly mediocre. Just looked at the time like you were trying to come up with some kind of way to look like you're contributing. I'm not even the only one that saw it that way. I've said several times it looked fake, it wasn't just the fact that you didn't have many reads.I don't see how it's so hard to see where I'm coming from on this. You found my barebones reads lackluster, and why did you think they were lackluster? Because: "I know you can do more than this." I.e., it's scummy from me considering it was in your opinion a barebones D1 reads list from me, and you felt from me I could do better. There were some people who were active and had no reads at that time, some active players had reads and had less reads than me, Rag even admitted that at some point D1. You singled me out for some reason. Reading into it leads me to the conclusion that it was a meta read on me, with all that considered. It's not baseless, it's a perfectly natural deduction.
We'll just have to agree to disagree. Maybe you didn't intend it to be meta but it it looks that way.I've explained this. You went through the effort of posting a reads list but your reads were incredibly mediocre. Just looked at the time like you were trying to come up with some kind of way to look like you're contributing. I'm not even the only one that saw it that way. I've said several times it looked fake, it wasn't just the fact that you didn't have many reads.
Stop with this nonsense, I've made it damn clear that my read on you was not based on meta. It baffles me that you continue to exercise this with no real reason to, and it's annoying.
This is for the best.Anyway SMS if you continue to think that way I'm going to stop responding to that point, it's clearly getting nowhere and you're being too stubborn to listen and instead are just sticking with your baseless accusation.
I know I said I probably wouldn't care about whatever reasons you had to clear him but we're at the point where I would really appriciate it if you walked me step by step through the process of you clearing him
All right lets try to do thisI pretty much always read him as guilty until proven innocent since he's extremely slick as scum. 9/10 you're just never going to have any sort of evidence against him because he likes to be so blasted reasonable. Anyway, he was there because I didnt like how all his posts were one liners talking about mechanics and basic mafia strategy instead of literally anything remotely helpfu
Okay but like, whyI'd be pretty impressed with myself if I were scum this game.
And why extension...I'm not, afaik.
Vote: Extension
Okay but like, why would we care about coordinating votesfunnier switches his vote to me and I started thinking scum started out with the most votes early in day 1. funnier's vote switch to me sheeping Rag made me think scum are trying to coordinate votes
Idk why you seem to think I was a viable candidate to be lynched. Minish was voting me for pressure at the very worst since she never plans to lynch me day one and I know Trist put a pressure vote there for a bit but I think you're greatly overestimating things if you thought that meant I needed to be saved. No one really had any intent to lynch meThis is an easy target to lynch for scum to save funnier from getting lynched.
All right lets try to do this
First of all I havent cleared him, there's a possibility that he's scum, it's just super low for me.
I'm just gonna lay it out as best I can but as you expected it's a lot of stuff that has meaning to me and pretty much definitely not you but why not.
You're right, Rubik is generally a really good player reliable, on top of things, DOING THINGS but this is not always the case. Sometimes it has to do with his role, like if he's survivor or cop he generally tries to stay under the radar for survival reasons. Or he could be Innocent Child and do DIDDLY SQUAT all game because thats just how he felt that day. There are multiple games where Rube underachieved as town but really only one scum game where I can say he was pretty ineffectual and posted a lot of fluff and that was during the the crossover last year where literally no one knew their alignment the entire first day. I havent glanced at that one in a long time but he didnt try very hard. Normally what I tend to expect from scum Rube is more logical sensible pushes and a focus on mechanics. Like when he's scum he likes to talk about mechanics cause its easy and use them to make his pushes like when he tried his best to get Pen the PGO lynched in TIDKAM. Playing badly isnt in his scum wheelhouse, he doesnt like taking risks, he doesn't get lynched, and he's always chill. Idk where this is gonna take me but I'm just giving the long version.
The way he's played has looked a lot more like town paranoid as all heck Rubik. Rubik who thinks he sees scum tells in the behavior of sun and yourself and makes a lot of mental notes about it but doesnt want to push it today. And lemme break from that and tell you this boi does not know how to get the lynches he wants. THIS DUDE has sat on a red check all day and NEVER SAID ANYTHING just kept voting there all day wondering why he's not getting them lynched. (the dude he didnt get lynched was sunfan btw) Thats a rather extreme example which I imagine (hope) would never happen again but the point is dude never thinks he can lynch anybody, its not lack of charisma so much as lack of moxie to rally people to vote there with him. If he was actually scum I see no reason why he would blatantly scum read two strong nigh unlynchable players (RIP sunfan) for no concrete reason to get absolutely nothing in return.
I may be wrong, but I cant remember Rube ever once softing ANYTHING as scum before, he may have in Moe's game which I'm not counting cause I was scum with him and prolly influenced him. Him coming in here and saying "I'm mechanically confirmed town" would be the most tableflip moment in history if he was scum cause that goes against basically everything I know about him. He would have to be berserking for me to believe he would ever do that as scum, its so risky its so uncalculated its so haha I randomly decided to this oops now what that no that never happens thats not true.
I cant recall further at present but please present the rest of your case if I missed anything and I will launch my counter
Next up: 10k words on why lynching sms is stupid