Deku Tree's Success...real or Fanfiction?

[Pinecove]

I highly doubt what you're trying to imply here: NoA doesn't make the games. They simply localize them. To add or change content is unheard of and just a ridiculous assumption in general. Also nothing really relevant? Aside from the soul in the Trident?

Ugh - my point is that NoA HAS made blunders in the past and they are still doing such things.

 

[MrMosley]

I highly doubt what you're trying to imply here: NoA doesn't make the games. They simply localize them. To add or change content is unheard of and just a ridiculous assumption in general. Also nothing really relevant? Aside from the soul in the Trident?

Ugh - my point is that NoA HAS made blunders in the past and they are still doing such things.

But my point is that these blunders have not really influenced American player's view of the games. My point is that if I were Japanese and grew up in Japan, playing the games as usual, I would feel no different about them than I do as an American player. To my experience, there hasn't been anything so drastically messed up in translation that I should have to seek the original, Japanese text to get an answer for something. I can reach the same conclusions with either version of the game, so spending the extra work to look up Japanese translations that won't change my mind about anything is a wasted effort.

 

[Pinecove]

Either way, just because something doesn't reach the US doesn't mean it isn't Canon.
And by the way, before you start criticizing Japanese translations and calling them a wasted effort:

宮本氏: (時オカ→神トラ)それから初代ときてリンクの冒険という順番になる。
(電撃64、1999年1月号)
(Ocarina of Time -> A Link to the Past) then comes the original and "The Adventure of Link" in turn.
(Dengeki64 January, 1999)

Guess what this is? The Miyamoto order re-established in 1999.
They're not wasted efforts.

This conversation is over.

 

[TheAhiru17]

We're getting off-topic guys, the question was if there's proof to the Deku tree's success, and FSA and the Tingle game do prove it, i think xD

 

[MrMosley]

Either way, just because something doesn't reach the US doesn't mean it isn't Canon.
And by the way, before you start criticizing Japanese translations and calling them a wasted effort:
Guess what this is? The Miyamoto order re-established in 1999.
They're not wasted efforts.

This conversation is over.

Way to completely missed the ball there. We were discussing game text translations, not developer interviews.

 

[Pinecove]

I believe the word you're looking for is "miss."

At any rate as TheAhiru17 said, we ARE getting off topic. Even if FPTRRL doesn't matter to other games, the fact is that you haven't given me a solid reason to why it is not Canon. And At the moment, if you can't prove to me that FPTRRL isn't Canon than it doesn't matter what other games say about it, FPTRRL implies the Great Deku Tree's success. And that's that.

Also:

and FSA and the Tingle game do prove it, i think xD

Tingle games yes FSA, no. If FSA comes on the Adult Timeline then it takes place in new Hyrule.

 

[Locke]

If FSA comes on the Adult Timeline then it takes place in new Hyrule.

How so? >.>

There are three main reasons I think the GDT is successful.
1. The Koroks were devoted to pulling the land together. It's best to assume they continue to act on this devotion until proven otherwise.
2. Whether TRR is canon or not, it shows intent for the islands to become larger.
3. It would make room for more games. Aonuma has stated that he makes an effort to do this.

EDIT (8/14): I don't really want to revive this thread but I found a 4th point so I'll add it to this post rather than making a new one.
4. TP was originally meant to be a sequel to WW, and its map provides intent that the land comes together to make something that looks more like old hyrule. I think this is important even though TP ended up being CT. It's unlikely that they thought "We're moving TP to the CT. I guess the GDT has to fail now." They had intended to put a game there and even though they didn't it's still possible.

 

[TheAhiru17]

There are three main reasons I think the GDT is successful.
1. The Koroks were devoted to pulling the land together. It's best to assume they continue to act on this devotion until proven otherwise.
2. Whether TRR is canon or not, it shows intent for the islands to become larger.
3. It would make room for more games. Aonuma has stated that he makes an effort to do this.

I agree with you, also it would be interesting to see a game where you help the Deku Tree to gather all the islands together

 

[Tyeforce]

How so? >.>

There are three main reasons I think the GDT is successful.
1. The Koroks were devoted to pulling the land together. It's best to assume they continue to act on this devotion until proven otherwise.
2. Whether TRR is canon or not, it shows intent for the islands to become larger.
3. It would make room for more games. Aonuma has stated that he makes an effort to do this.

You have a point, but then again, things that were once intended don't always end up staying that way. OoT was originally supposed to be the Seal War...oops, that didn't work out so well, did it? New games can retcon old intent. Maybe it was once Aonuma's plan to put the Deku Tree's Success to use and make a game that takes place after TWW after the land expanded, but he clearly didn't go through with that plan, as shown in ST.

 

[Locke]

You have a point, but then again, things that were once intended don't always end up staying that way. OoT was originally supposed to be the Seal War...oops, that didn't work out so well, did it? New games can retcon old intent. Maybe it was once Aonuma's plan to put the Deku Tree's Success to use and make a game that takes place after TWW after the land expanded, but he clearly didn't go through with that plan, as shown in ST.

Yes, it could always be retconned, but I don't think it has yet. ST just provided another branch to add future games to. Now when they make a new game (that isn't a prequel...hopefully) they can choose which location would best fit the gameplay/story, rather than try to fit the story to one location.

 

[MrMosley]

Yes, it could always be retconned, but I don't think it has yet. ST just provided another branch to add future games to. Now when they make a new game (that isn't a prequel...hopefully) they can choose which location would best fit the gameplay/story, rather than try to fit the story to one location.

It hasn't been retconned but it hasn't been proven either. No matter which side your on neither side had more evidence or intent than the other. And I wouldn't say that ST added "another" branch. ST's Hyrule is THE branch. It is the only "new" land established after Wind Waker that we currently know about. So if either side had any bit of weight over the other, I think the idea that the Korok's plan will never unfold would win since it could have and it didn't. WW was released in what, 2003? That's given them 7 whole years to figure out if they are either going to find a new Hyrule or make the Korok's plan bring one about, and we seen which one they went with. Yes, there is a small window of chance that perhaps the Koroks' plan will show up in a future game, though based on the direction we've seen Nintendo take already, it seems less and less likely.

 

[Pinecove]

^Wee see the Korok success in FPTRR though.
Seriously though, I doubt we'll see it in another game.

 

[Alar]

The Great Sea and The Great Deku Tree

I dunno if anyone else has suggested this idea but here is my idea:
In the Wind Waker you go and restore all the withered Deku Trees and you go back to the Great Deku tree, and he says something about, that all the islands could be joined together by the roots and leaves of Deku trees so... what if the entire sea got joined together by land and this in turn could create a new Hyrule opening up a whole new heap of time-line possibilities. I don't know if this could be true because I'm not a time-line specialist but what do you think??

 

[link9]

It wouldn't create new timeline possibilities, as much as new stories per se. It is stated however, that Link and Tetra go off to find New Hyrule, supposedly away from where the Old Hyrule lays resting beneath the sea. There are so many hazy spots in all this that there is no telling what or where at exactly this "New Hyrule" is. A very interesting and possible theory though.

 

[Locke]

Yes. It's an extremely common theory called "the Great Deku Tree's success" or "GDT's success," which I deeply hold to. I don't know if any of the existing games take place there or not, but the intent is certainly there. Some might argue that ST retconned this with a New Hyrule, but I don't see any reason why that would erase the possibility of developing the old one. Also, the idea of discovering a new land was already present in WW, so both possibilities are emphasized in the same game.