Talk:Human

Article misses the point

I think that this article is about a group of races and not about a single race. It features humanoid races (like the Gerudo) and not the Human race, so I think we should move or delete this article (as it is now). -- Tael 14:02, November 27, 2012 (CST)

I am not much of a fan of this page either, as "human" is an in-universe descriptor and the Zelda Series is a work of fiction. Also, since no offical documentation/game from nintendo refers to any non-hylian as human, then having this page as-is may be abit off, although I don't exactly know what should be done with every single hyperlink that direct to this page. Abc2VE 15:29, November 27, 2012 (CST)abc2VE

Actually, there are many quotes that contain the word "human" for other races such as the Gerudos and Hylians in The Legend of Zelda Series. Here are some examples:

"Ganon... This beast was once of the Gerudo... Once human. He was called Ganondorf! King of Darkness, ancient demon reborn. The wielder of the trident!!"

— Princess Zelda

"He sees that Link is human with one look. He's a bit of a human enthusiast."

— Unknown

""Yes, we are humans. We have neither the power of spirits nor demons. But when we combine our strength...No one can defeat us!""

— Princess Zelda

If this doesn't convince you, I could pull more quotes up. I think that Humans are just a broad umbrella of the races. --☺Odd300☺ 17:36, November 27, 2012 (CST)

"As you may have observed during your time as one, human beings are not a species that can stay underwater for long periods of time."

— Fi

"...... You are Hylian? No? I speak a little Hylian. You understand me?"

"human" appears 97 times in SS, referring to Hylia's people, including Link. TP uses it 107 times, referring to Link both as a human and as a Hylian. MM refers to humans, including Link who is certainly a Hylian in that game. On the flip side, LttP speaks of humans who are not Hylians. I think the series generally refers to humans as any humanoid species to which the audience is supposed to relate. "Human" is a species, while Hylian and Gerudo are races or tribes (evidenced by Gerudo women finding Hylian boyfriends in OoT). TP uses "return to your human form" as a contrast to the "wolf form" or "beast form". So I agree with the article as-is, provided it uses citations where needed. As for the many pages linking to this page, these are humans that don't fall into specific races like Hylian. By my logic, technically all Hylians could be considered humans, but we should list a race when possible, only using "human" as a fall-back. << Locke^(T·C) >> 19:52, November 27, 2012 (CST)

I wonder if the meaning of the word "Human" has changed over time. This would explain, why it is so confusing to see what is meant exactly.

About the quotes up there: So the Zoras are no Humans, but the Gerudo are... -- Tael 12:49, November 28, 2012 (CST)

Yes, Zoras are not humans. Here are the "confirmed" human races: Gerudo, Hylians, and "Round-eared" Humans. The Wind Tribe in The Minish Cap, the Sheikah, and the Ho Ho Tribe are the races that are speculated to be humans. --☺Odd300☺ 15:49, November 28, 2012 (CST)

This page kinda sucks, but has such a huge potential to not suck.

Well I found an ancient gem. Created almost 12 years ago.. It's anniversary is actually in a few days, so it's almost a teenager. I will keep this brief. This entire article should be completely reworked. It lacks the knowledge that Humans are an actual genuine race themselves in the Zelda series. The entire article could be condensed into one section talking about the usage of the word "Human", and the rest of it could be taken up with a proper explanation of what humans are, and examples of Humans from each game they appear in. The sidebox saying "Games: Every The Legend of Zelda game" is kinda funny. What's also a little funny to me is how it explains how Human is a term used for all humanoid intelligent races in the series, then at the end says "Human is also used as a general term for all humanoid intelligent races in the series." as if it didn't just spend the entire article explaining that lol. Also it lacks images of humans, which makes sense since the article doesn't yet realize that humans are a race in Zelda, but still.

What do I say we do? First We should rearrange the page to mimic other pages about other Zelda races. Preferably mimicking a page about a slightly obscure Zelda race that's only in a few games and doesn't have much lore, as it'd be a good standard to go by. Probably something like the Kokiri, who only truly had a presence in OoT, and had an appearance in WW, and don't have a ton of lore outside of being creepy fey children who appear to live forever in a state of childhood. (you can count the amount of important Kokiri characters on one hand, and it's the same for Humans.)

Second we should create a section on the WORD "Human" as it's colloquially used "for all humanoid intelligent races in the series" occasionally even being used for Sheikah. Yes, I know in SS it DID say that all humans were raised to Skyloft, and it's clear the (singular) Sheikah woman "Impa" was left on the surface. That doesn't mean that the word "Human" can't be used to describe the Sheikah. It is a "humanoid intelligent race" after all (Although, tbf, most Zelda races are pretty "Humanoid")

Third we should collect and place images around of various Humans. I will say it is a little silly that Humans are basically a Zelda "cryptid" like Bigfoot. Analyzing all the ears to see who has round ones, and who has pointy ones, taking pictures of the odd ones out, but It's only fair to dedicate an article to this interesting never-explained fact of Hyrule. -TinyLadyKris (talk) 06:30, November 21, 2024 (UTC)