Folks, I am not okay. And right now I feel like I will never be okay again. I feel cynical, bitter, disillusioned, sick, and above all else I feel heartbroken, sad and empty.
Also, this person has some good points:
https://justafuzzyperson.medium.com/do-you-ever-feel-sad-and-empty-for-no-reason-at-all-559454a3ed45
I especially agree with this part:
(Quote) "I’m really making this all sound quite terrible, when in reality my life is fine. I’m not deeply upset, I don’t seriously contemplate suicide. I just feel incredibly stagnant and pointless. I mean, what is the point of it all? The only time I feel free and alive is on drugs or if I’m watching a really good television show or reading a captivating book; basically any time I don’t have to think about being me.
Do you guys feel the same way? Does anyone feel like me? Maybe everyone does, deep down. I don’t know." (Unquote)
Folks, just promise me one thing: Promise me that whatever you do you will never drink the kool-aid/join a cult and never let other people do your thinking for you. Can you at least promise me that? It would make feel a bit better if you promised me that. Please, for your own sake, and the sake of the people that you love and who love you, don't do either of those things. Please. I beg you.
I remember watching the first six Star Wars movies with my father back when he was alive years ago (the only ones that really mattered, because I want nothing do with the Disney crap new "canon", I saw clips of the Disney crap new "canon" movie sequels, TV series and cartoons on Youtube and I was cringing, facepalming and sighing the whole time, also the overwhelming majority of the fandom, like 95% to 98% of the fanbase consume and love only old/original Expanded Universe content and want nothing to do with the Disney crap new "canon" and I can understand that because I too think that the new "canon" is not worth watching).
And in the past three years I've read about 40 (forty) old/original Expanded Universe novels and I have 21 (twenty-one) old/original Expanded Universe novels on my personal bookshelf (I read only the old/original Expanded Universe novels, I want nothing to do with the Disney crap new "canon" because as far as I'm concerned it's complete and utter garbage, lame and boring and every time I tried to give a Disney crap new "canon" novel a chance I ended up being bitterly disappointed, I'm kinda hoping that "Star Wars: The Living Force" by John Jackson Miller will be different but I will not get my hopes too high, if this one ends up disappointing me I'm not borrowing a single other Disney crap new "canon" novel ever again, and no one can say I didn't give that new "canon" a chance, but who needs the Disney crap new "canon"/new Expanded Universe when we have the old/original Expanded Universe which is the creme de la creme of Star Wars?).
Anyway, here's a video everyone should watch because this guy is right and he's telling it like it is:
She too is telling it like it is:
See more here:
Now that this is out of the way, back to the topic at hand which is related to the title of my thread. Some people, myself included, are disillusioned with the so-called "good guys" in Star Wars. It would seem that they are not the "good guys" that we've been socially conditioned to believe they are growing up. This makes me feel disillusioned, sad and empty.
I'm currently reading this book:
https://www.amazon.ca/Wild-Space-Star-Legends-Clone/dp/0345509013/
Here's a post I found in the comment section of a Youtube video that made me want to read the book:
(Quote) "First: Padmé is young, bit naive and actually spent so much time working to help others via social service, refugee relocation and politics that she had no time for romance. Her finding some and getting attached to it makes perfect sense, because in a way she's not that different from Anakin.
Second: You should read "The Clone Wars: Wild Space" novel" by Karen Miller, which touches upon post-Attack of the Clone events. Padmé essentially decided the Jedi Order could go kriff itself because they not only kriffing behaved atrociously towards Anakin, but also thought they could go send Obi-Wan to ORDER Padmé (who's a Republic Senator, not a Jedi, and thus technically one of their bosses) to act like them and forsake her own feelings. All because Padmé wanted to see him in the medbay.
There's no "thrill of the hunt" involved, it's Padmé realizing just how inhuman the Jedi mentality is and deciding both she and Anakin deserved better. If not for Obi-Wan and Yoda being absolute jerks in regards to her, it's likely the Naboo wedding wouldn't have occurred so quickly. It was a mix of war looming down on their heads + Padmé and Anakin lashing out at the Jedi by committing to each other. You need to read that novel prologue to get it, I could go on forever on how infuriating and disgusting the Jedi were in that scene." (Unquote)
This comment (I found it in the comment section of a Youtube video) alone made me want to read the novel. I ordered a copy on Amazon and I started reading it a few days ago. If you want to understand what this comment was about, read the first three chapters of the book. It will make you feel angry, disgusted, sad and empty. It'll make you feel glad that you're not in a religious cult.
The more you learn about the Jedi the more angry, sick and disgusted you feel and the more you dislike them. Those stupid Jedi who didn't revolt against the cult leaders sitting on the Jedi council or didn't leave the order in droves or didn't do a strike against Yoda to force the Grandmaster or some even remotely reasonable council member to ensure that the Order is changed or reformed, they're responsible for the downfall, collapse and destruction of their own Order through their stupidity, dogmatism, rigidity, their stupid harmful cult's rules against love and privacy and freedom of choice, their total detachment from the people and the people's struggles and suffering, their wilful blindness...
...And also their failure to think for themselves and to question and defy their cult leaders sitting on the council to at least the same level that Qui-Gon Jinn did (he didn't go far enough because he didn't push hard enough for change or reformation of the Order, but at least he did things his own way and didn't practice blind obedience and blind conformity to the kriffing cult leaders sitting on the council).
They brought about their own destruction and the destruction of their own Order that they turned into a cult and a terrorist organization by letting the cult leaders at the top think that they are above the law, above the government, above the court system and that they get to be judge, jury and executioner and that they get to be the arbiters of morality, justice, and what is right or wrong for everybody else and how billions of people should live their lives and what kind of political or religious views everyone else should or should not be allowed to have under threat of persecution and death as the control freak radical-extremist religious cult that they are, a religious cult that wanted to impose their will on the whole galaxy, force their moral/religious view on everyone and subject the whole galaxy to their fascist theocracy.
They brought that swift destruction on themselves because they wouldn't do anything about changing or reforming their Order, they have no one to blame but themselves and they had to be eliminated because they became a cult and a terrorist organization, they had to be eliminated, it was for the better, they were threatening the freedoms, civil rights, safety and future of billions of people and holding not only their own Order but also the whole galaxy back from progress and from liberation from the cult leaders sitting on the cult's council, they wanted a Jedicracy, a fascist theocracy and doing illegal coups and taking over the senate, and doing terrorist attacks on elected representatives of the government, it had to stop.
They left Sheev with no other choice, he gave them many chances to do something about changing or reforming their Order, so many chances, he gave them 13 - 16 years and many chances to do something about changing or reforming their Order and to become reasonable, so he had to eliminate them for the greater good, for the good of the galaxy and its billions of inhabitants. They refused to have the Order changed or reformed, they have no one to blame but themselves for bringing the consequences of their own actions or in some cases inaction upon themselves.
They refused to stop with the terrorist attacks on the government, their attempts to take away people's right to their own political and religious beliefs without persecution and violence against them, they refused to stop punishing other force-sensitive people for exercising their right to a love life (those idiots wouldn't even let Anakin and Padme love each other, or Qui-Gon and Tahl, or Obi-Wan and Siri, and so on and so forth).
And prying into other force-sensitive people's private lives and letting the cult leaders sitting on the council claiming that there is no such thing as privacy or freedom of choice when you are a Jedi because everyone should become unquestioning members of their little cult.
They brought their Order to a swift end because they refuse to change with the time, to reform the Order, to stop interfering with freedom of choice and privacy and love life, to stop trying to take away people's right to freedom of conscience and to stop killling or attacking anyone and everyone who disagree with them or oppose them in any way. Sheev gave them plenty of chances to reform their Order and 13 - 16 years to do so.
Even Kenobi and Jinn refused to be reasonable. Qui-Gon Jinn did things his way but he didn't go far enough in his defiance of the cult leaders sitting on the council and didn't do nowhere near enough to force the Order to reform.
As for Kenobi, he kept kept caving in to Yoda and the rest of the cult leaders on the Jedi council and you can see many examples of that in "The Clone Wars: Wild Space" novel by Karen Miller. Kenobi could have left the Order with Anakin and Anakin would have followed him to the ends of the world, he could have gotten Anakin away from the cult and the cult leaders sitting on the council and this whole tragedy could have been avoided. Anakin needed a friend, not a "Master" or a Cult Leader.
But Kenobi let the giant, dark-skinned angry zealot with the shaved head and the green midget Grandmaster manipulate him and control him and he kept caving in to them (you can see many examples of that in this book, "The Clone Wars: Wild Space", Obi-Wan feel sick to his stomach and empty but continues to cave in to the green midget Grandmaster and Yoda's cult leaders sitting on the council and practicing blind obedience and blind conformity most of the time, his own folly and blidness and his failure to leave the Order with Anakin or forcing the Order to reform led to the destruction of the Order turned cult and terrorist organization.
And Kenobi bears a lot of the responsibility for the destruction of his Order. He could have been reasonable, he could have left with Anakin or he could have reformed the Order by force if he must but he chose not to do the right thing, he chose not to push for change or reformation. And the Order was destroyed and he and the other Jedi who failed to be brave enough to leave the Order or force the Order to be reformed paid the heavy price for his folly and the folly of the other who failed just like him to do the right thing. I'd hoped that guilt and sadness would slowly kill Obi-Wan inside as he rotted in that cave on Tatooine for a decade, but no, he never felt any remorse for what he did.
In fact, he was so remorseless that he performed a kamikaze suicide attack during his final battle with Vader to turn Luke into a radicalized ticking terrorist time-bomb so Luke would kill both Sheev and his dad. Cultists Obi-Wan and Yoda secretely trained Luke so he could murder his own father. And these are suposed to be the good guys!? People should read "The radicalization of Luke Skylwalker: a Jedi's path to Jihad" by a username Comfortably Smug on the Decider website.
You, folks, should watch this:
And here's four must read articles:
I will conclude with:
All these stories where Obi-Wan suffers, and a lot of his suffering were self-inflicted due to the bad choices he made (like not leaving the Order turned cult with Anakin, not reforming the Order, pushing down his feelings for Siri, constantly caving in to Yoda, etc) literally stuck a knife in my gut and then stood there and watched as I bled out all over the floor as I was suffering right along with him (which upset me but there was nothing I could do about it). Like honestly, welcome to my death? I kriffing hate that I feel way too much when reading these scenes where he suffers, suffers and suffers (no one should feel this much reading a book, sometimes I wonder if I'm alone in this), it's a freaking nightmare and sometimes it feels like it's never going to end and the scene where he suffers seems to last forever as it can go on for two or three chapters at times. He's doing his thing, and traveling to and from the gig he has, dead-eyed and depressed, and I'm all "I too go about my day and going to work everyday dead inside, Obi". I feel SEEN; thank you to the novel writers, Ewan McGregor and the writers’ room for externalizing how we all feel as we try to summon ourselves to go to work in the middle of all this madness. And I kriffing hate feeling powerless as I watch Obi-Wan suffer, knowing I can't do anything about it.
I used to hate Obi-Wan and feel nothing but loathing and disgust for him. But now all I feel for him is sadness and pity, and I feel so heartbroken, sad and empty that I can't even hate him anymore, all I feel for him is sadness and pity. I cried so much that I thought I would never be able to stop and that I thought I had no tears in my body left to cry. There is no space in my palms left uncarved by fingernail crescents from my clenched fists. And sometimes I can picture a scene where kriffing Yoda shows up and says "Drink my cult-flavored kool-aid, Obi-Wan does!" and me yelling at the green midget grandmaster "Eat banta poop, you kriffing jerk! The cult leaders sitting on the council don't do anything other than trash talk and try to swing their force less limp peepees! Kriff you, Yoda!".
I grieve what Obi-Wan could have been, what he could have become, had the cult leaders sitting on the council not rob him of his innocence, of his childhood, of his capacity to think for himself free of religious cult indoctrination and brainwashing since early infancy, of his future, of a better life and life opportunities that he might regret as he age; like a love life with a spouse, children biological or adopted, a normal job of his own choosing, his own projects, and the right to have his own political and religious views without danger of being killed or disappeared by some cult leaders sitting on the council should his views differ from theirs in the slightest.
He was condemned to a life of religious cult indoctrination, mind-control and fear of punishment should he disagree with anyone on the council, and not having a romantic partner to love and be loved and share his life with and grow old with, to fall asleep in their arms at night and wake up in their arms in the morning, and experiencing how wonderful love feels and love is and that no human being deserve to be deprived of that experience by some kriffing cult leaders like Yoda and Windu. Wjat the kriff? Who in the kriffing world would choose a religious cult over love? But they ruined Obi-Wan's potential love life, and Anakin's. I hate the cult leaders on the council because they deprive him of all this.
I cried not just because I grieve what he could have been, what he could have become had the cult leaders sitting on the council not kidnap him when he was a 10 months old baby (taken from the arms of his loving family) and deprive him of a normal kriffing childhood the likes of what Luke got and being raised by his own family just like Luke instead of being raised by some insane cult leaders who didn't tolerate any attachment, affection, love or emotions which is a highly harmful and toxic and unhealthy way to raise a child.
I also cried because he will never know what it's like to find true love with whoever was fated to be his romantic soulmate because the cult leaders sitting on the council took that away from him and indoctrinated him so much from the age of 10 months old that he's been obviously programmed to not even think of leaving the Order turned cult.
By the time he was old enough to think for himself, he was too brainwashed, too far gone (which is why they only take babies and think a 9 year old is "too old", because they hate the though of any of their child cult members being able to think for themselves and a 9 year old is not as easy to brainwash and indoctrinate as a 2 year old, they don't like the thought of their child cult members not being brainwashed as babies during their formative year to the point of being incapable of thinking for themselves as they grow up) to so much as think of leaving the Order turned cult. Twenty people left the cult and they were called the "lost" twenties, because the Jedi in the arrogance branded anyone who escaped the cult with their life to be "lost" people and "bad".
And in their insanity and arrogance they would even say that if it's not in their library or archive, then it doesn't kriffing exist, because the cult leaders sitting on the council could disappear any information that they didn't like or any information that threatens to challenge their position or their propaganda.
I wanted to see Obi-Wan vindicated and wanted to liberate him from the cult and give him the romantic soulmate, the freedom of choice and freedom of thought and the family and the happiness that he deserved and that he would have had had he not being taken by the cult leaders sitting on the council when he was an infant, and I wanted Anakin to be vindicated too, so I wrote those fanfictions:
Reading them from time to time as well as other fanfictions with those tags...
https://archiveofourown.org/tags/Obi-Wan Kenobi Leaves the Jedi Order/works
https://archiveofourown.org/tags/Anakin Skywalker Leaves the Jedi Order/works
... brings me comfort. I love reading those fix-it fanfictions. This gives me peace of mind and makes me feel thankful for fanfiction writers. If you're one such fanfiction writer, I'm thankful for your writing such stories.
Kat.
Edit:
I recently came across this video today:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99vwnSawB-8
And I read the conversations in the comment section of the video.
And I posted this (it was a reply to zephodb's post concerning things like canon and Star Wars):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99vwnSawB-8&lc=UgyNUMuz5ARmrpIYxtB4AaABAg.A9SxdU8tgiRAA6QbbJmlFD
(Quote) "zephodb,
You said (your own words):
"Yes/no... You need to look back to the 1950s-1980s where there were prolific authors and large chunks get 'left out' of the continuity of any given universe, ignored... and fan annoyance was the cause... Things basically getting dropped out of canon.
Or gosh, Star Wars where they tried to keep all the books straight, and things were at multiple levels of canon. It isn't just the Author who determines these things. The word Canon means the ~accepted~ body of work, not the Author's determination, except for more modern attempts to redefine words which is disingenuous at best... the idea that the Canon is determined by the Author is an idea that Lucas Arts created with the Master of the Holocron, whose job it was to keep track of the continuity and canon of the Star Wars universe due to all the arguments over what is canon and what isn't.
Look up the meaning of 'Western Canon', remember that Canon was first used in the late 1700s to talk about what was considered a masterwork or not among literature. Works that weren't 'up to snuff' weren't considered part of the Western Canon. To extrapolate more modernly... which of the Terminator movies actually happened? You can mostly get people to agree 1 and 2 happened, then even the later films actively ignore the other two because... they haven't been ~accepted~ as Canon."
You have some good points and this is what I have to say on this matter...
As far as I'm concerned and 98% of the Star Wars fanbase is with me on this, the old/original expanded universe will always be the true canon to us and we will never accept the Disney new crap "canon" with the Mary-Sue Ray and Gary-Stu Kylo sequels with the bad writing and the boring stuff and the garbage "Obi-Wan Kenobi" TV show that also happens to constantly break continuity and contradict established lore from episode 4 as canon. The former is far better than and far superior to the latter. The latter is freaking lame.
And it's not just the new movies and TV series in that garbage new "canon" that are lame, it's also the "new expanded universe" books that are lame. I've heard of a Padme trilogy ("Star Wars: Queen's Series" by E. K. Johnston) and I thought it would tell us more about the politics or the political stuff so I was hyped about trying this trilogy, only to be told by people who read it not to bother because it's about Padme talking about girly stuff (clothes, makeup and boys) with her female friends and that most of the story was about her maids, which is boring as kriff. I won't bother reading this Disney crap new "canon" trilogy, a bitter disappointment.
Did I mention that there's a book in which Obi-Wan fall in love but rejects love and chooses the religious cult instead ("Padawan" by Kiersten White)? How can anyone choose a religious cult over a love relationship is beyond me (why doesn't he just leave the order, or let's call it what it is, the religious cult, and find his soulmate while he's still young? Eventually, as he gets older, he'll seriously regret that he allowed himself to lose everything to that religious cult, that he wasted his life and that he let so many opportunities for a better life pass him by, the more people age the more they regret missed past opportunties and the bad decisions they made, mid-life crisis is gonna be awful for this guy and the worse thing is that the cult leaders sitting on the Jedi council who took him from his family and brought him to the temple when he was an infant robbed him of a normal freaking life with all the good things that it entails like; a spouse (of any gender), children biological or adopted, a normal job, personal projects, and of course free thinking, forming your own opinions and beliefs, especially about religion or politics, rather than just accepting what is officially or commonly believed and taught in a religious cult).
No one in their right mind would choose a religious cult over love. This is so... There's no word to describe how much this story exasperates me and and how much it rubs me the wrong way. This is one of the main reasons why I'll never read "Padawan" by Kiersten White. What I've heard about it upsets me enough that I don't ever want to read this book.
Some fanfictions are so much better than the Disney crap new "canon" books in the "new expanded universe" (those good fanfictions can be found on AO3, Archive of Our Own, and in a lot of them Obi-Wan leave the religious cult for a better life, there's even a "Obi-Wan leaves the Jedi Order" tag with nearly 200 creative works having this tag). And like I said, to most people in the fanbase, the old/original expanded universe novels are better than the Disney crap new "canon"/the "new expanded universe".
Also, the book "Padawan" by Kiersten White has LGBT themes from what I've heard, and I was told that there was some LGBT representation for once, but that doesn't really freaking matter anyways right, seeing as the main character chooses the religious cult over a love relationship every single time, so the representation is not actual representation and the author wasn't taking any risk or any actual steps to have any real representation considering how the book ends.
And that's just two examples. From my own personal experience (and a lot of people in the fanbase have experience the same thing, I'm far from the only one), all the Star Wars book publiched after 2014 (that is, all Star Wars books that are not old/original Expanded Universe) that I came across just weren't worth it, the synopsis or the horrors I've heard about them was a total turn off to me. Only the old/original expanded universe books are really worth it, because the old/original expanded universe is la creme de la creme of Star Wars and anything that comes after that is really not all that good by comparison.
Also, Disney doesn't get to decide for the whole fanbase what is or isn't canon, they don't get to decide that the old/original expanded universe which millions of people grew up with and loved for over 40 years and still love to this day is no longer canon overnight for no damn reason.
Also, George Lucas was involved in the old/original expanded universe, gave the writers advices and ideas and worked with them on portions of those books, but was never involved in the writing or the creation of the Disney new crap "canon" movies and TV series like the Mary-Sue Ray and Gary-Stu Kylo sequels and the garbage TV series like "Obi-Wan Kenobi" and "The Acolyte", in fact George Lucas said that he regrets he ever sold Star Wars and he wants it back, but Disney who ruined Star Wars won't sell it back to him.
Like many other people in the fanbase, when DLF release a new Star Wars movie or TV series taking place in their new and lame "canon", I just don't watch it and I binge read a bunch of old/original expanded universe novels from my personal bookshelf instead. "Heir to the empire", "Dark force rising" and "The last command" by Timothy Zahn is a far better sequel to "Return of the Jedi" than the Disney crap new "canon" Mary-Sue Rey and Gary-Stu Kylo sequels.
Also, all the old/original expanded universe Thrawn novels are great, and so is the "Medstar" duology, and the "Old Republic" series, and the prologues to episodes 1, 2, and 3 like "Cloak of deception", "The approaching storm" and "Labyrinth of "evil"" and others like "The Jedi apprentice" series by Jude Watson, The Darth Maul series ("Shadowhunter", "Saboteur" and "Restraint"), and "Rogue planet"."(Unquote)
I've given up on the Disney crap new "canon" a long time ago because nothing that's released in the "new expanded universe" is good, and the old/original expanded universe (the creme de la creme of Star Wars), as well as some great fanfictions on AO3 (Archive of Our Own), are so much better than this garbage. Everything Star Wars that was released after 2014 (everything that isn't the old/original expanded universe as opposed to the new expanded universe) just doesn't mesure up to the old/original expanded universe and left me disillusioned." (Unquote)
Also, this person has some good points:
https://justafuzzyperson.medium.com/do-you-ever-feel-sad-and-empty-for-no-reason-at-all-559454a3ed45
I especially agree with this part:
(Quote) "I’m really making this all sound quite terrible, when in reality my life is fine. I’m not deeply upset, I don’t seriously contemplate suicide. I just feel incredibly stagnant and pointless. I mean, what is the point of it all? The only time I feel free and alive is on drugs or if I’m watching a really good television show or reading a captivating book; basically any time I don’t have to think about being me.
Do you guys feel the same way? Does anyone feel like me? Maybe everyone does, deep down. I don’t know." (Unquote)
Folks, just promise me one thing: Promise me that whatever you do you will never drink the kool-aid/join a cult and never let other people do your thinking for you. Can you at least promise me that? It would make feel a bit better if you promised me that. Please, for your own sake, and the sake of the people that you love and who love you, don't do either of those things. Please. I beg you.
I remember watching the first six Star Wars movies with my father back when he was alive years ago (the only ones that really mattered, because I want nothing do with the Disney crap new "canon", I saw clips of the Disney crap new "canon" movie sequels, TV series and cartoons on Youtube and I was cringing, facepalming and sighing the whole time, also the overwhelming majority of the fandom, like 95% to 98% of the fanbase consume and love only old/original Expanded Universe content and want nothing to do with the Disney crap new "canon" and I can understand that because I too think that the new "canon" is not worth watching).
And in the past three years I've read about 40 (forty) old/original Expanded Universe novels and I have 21 (twenty-one) old/original Expanded Universe novels on my personal bookshelf (I read only the old/original Expanded Universe novels, I want nothing to do with the Disney crap new "canon" because as far as I'm concerned it's complete and utter garbage, lame and boring and every time I tried to give a Disney crap new "canon" novel a chance I ended up being bitterly disappointed, I'm kinda hoping that "Star Wars: The Living Force" by John Jackson Miller will be different but I will not get my hopes too high, if this one ends up disappointing me I'm not borrowing a single other Disney crap new "canon" novel ever again, and no one can say I didn't give that new "canon" a chance, but who needs the Disney crap new "canon"/new Expanded Universe when we have the old/original Expanded Universe which is the creme de la creme of Star Wars?).
Anyway, here's a video everyone should watch because this guy is right and he's telling it like it is:
She too is telling it like it is:
See more here:
Now that this is out of the way, back to the topic at hand which is related to the title of my thread. Some people, myself included, are disillusioned with the so-called "good guys" in Star Wars. It would seem that they are not the "good guys" that we've been socially conditioned to believe they are growing up. This makes me feel disillusioned, sad and empty.
I'm currently reading this book:
https://www.amazon.ca/Wild-Space-Star-Legends-Clone/dp/0345509013/
Here's a post I found in the comment section of a Youtube video that made me want to read the book:
(Quote) "First: Padmé is young, bit naive and actually spent so much time working to help others via social service, refugee relocation and politics that she had no time for romance. Her finding some and getting attached to it makes perfect sense, because in a way she's not that different from Anakin.
Second: You should read "The Clone Wars: Wild Space" novel" by Karen Miller, which touches upon post-Attack of the Clone events. Padmé essentially decided the Jedi Order could go kriff itself because they not only kriffing behaved atrociously towards Anakin, but also thought they could go send Obi-Wan to ORDER Padmé (who's a Republic Senator, not a Jedi, and thus technically one of their bosses) to act like them and forsake her own feelings. All because Padmé wanted to see him in the medbay.
There's no "thrill of the hunt" involved, it's Padmé realizing just how inhuman the Jedi mentality is and deciding both she and Anakin deserved better. If not for Obi-Wan and Yoda being absolute jerks in regards to her, it's likely the Naboo wedding wouldn't have occurred so quickly. It was a mix of war looming down on their heads + Padmé and Anakin lashing out at the Jedi by committing to each other. You need to read that novel prologue to get it, I could go on forever on how infuriating and disgusting the Jedi were in that scene." (Unquote)
This comment (I found it in the comment section of a Youtube video) alone made me want to read the novel. I ordered a copy on Amazon and I started reading it a few days ago. If you want to understand what this comment was about, read the first three chapters of the book. It will make you feel angry, disgusted, sad and empty. It'll make you feel glad that you're not in a religious cult.
The more you learn about the Jedi the more angry, sick and disgusted you feel and the more you dislike them. Those stupid Jedi who didn't revolt against the cult leaders sitting on the Jedi council or didn't leave the order in droves or didn't do a strike against Yoda to force the Grandmaster or some even remotely reasonable council member to ensure that the Order is changed or reformed, they're responsible for the downfall, collapse and destruction of their own Order through their stupidity, dogmatism, rigidity, their stupid harmful cult's rules against love and privacy and freedom of choice, their total detachment from the people and the people's struggles and suffering, their wilful blindness...
...And also their failure to think for themselves and to question and defy their cult leaders sitting on the council to at least the same level that Qui-Gon Jinn did (he didn't go far enough because he didn't push hard enough for change or reformation of the Order, but at least he did things his own way and didn't practice blind obedience and blind conformity to the kriffing cult leaders sitting on the council).
They brought about their own destruction and the destruction of their own Order that they turned into a cult and a terrorist organization by letting the cult leaders at the top think that they are above the law, above the government, above the court system and that they get to be judge, jury and executioner and that they get to be the arbiters of morality, justice, and what is right or wrong for everybody else and how billions of people should live their lives and what kind of political or religious views everyone else should or should not be allowed to have under threat of persecution and death as the control freak radical-extremist religious cult that they are, a religious cult that wanted to impose their will on the whole galaxy, force their moral/religious view on everyone and subject the whole galaxy to their fascist theocracy.
They brought that swift destruction on themselves because they wouldn't do anything about changing or reforming their Order, they have no one to blame but themselves and they had to be eliminated because they became a cult and a terrorist organization, they had to be eliminated, it was for the better, they were threatening the freedoms, civil rights, safety and future of billions of people and holding not only their own Order but also the whole galaxy back from progress and from liberation from the cult leaders sitting on the cult's council, they wanted a Jedicracy, a fascist theocracy and doing illegal coups and taking over the senate, and doing terrorist attacks on elected representatives of the government, it had to stop.
They left Sheev with no other choice, he gave them many chances to do something about changing or reforming their Order, so many chances, he gave them 13 - 16 years and many chances to do something about changing or reforming their Order and to become reasonable, so he had to eliminate them for the greater good, for the good of the galaxy and its billions of inhabitants. They refused to have the Order changed or reformed, they have no one to blame but themselves for bringing the consequences of their own actions or in some cases inaction upon themselves.
They refused to stop with the terrorist attacks on the government, their attempts to take away people's right to their own political and religious beliefs without persecution and violence against them, they refused to stop punishing other force-sensitive people for exercising their right to a love life (those idiots wouldn't even let Anakin and Padme love each other, or Qui-Gon and Tahl, or Obi-Wan and Siri, and so on and so forth).
And prying into other force-sensitive people's private lives and letting the cult leaders sitting on the council claiming that there is no such thing as privacy or freedom of choice when you are a Jedi because everyone should become unquestioning members of their little cult.
They brought their Order to a swift end because they refuse to change with the time, to reform the Order, to stop interfering with freedom of choice and privacy and love life, to stop trying to take away people's right to freedom of conscience and to stop killling or attacking anyone and everyone who disagree with them or oppose them in any way. Sheev gave them plenty of chances to reform their Order and 13 - 16 years to do so.
Even Kenobi and Jinn refused to be reasonable. Qui-Gon Jinn did things his way but he didn't go far enough in his defiance of the cult leaders sitting on the council and didn't do nowhere near enough to force the Order to reform.
As for Kenobi, he kept kept caving in to Yoda and the rest of the cult leaders on the Jedi council and you can see many examples of that in "The Clone Wars: Wild Space" novel by Karen Miller. Kenobi could have left the Order with Anakin and Anakin would have followed him to the ends of the world, he could have gotten Anakin away from the cult and the cult leaders sitting on the council and this whole tragedy could have been avoided. Anakin needed a friend, not a "Master" or a Cult Leader.
But Kenobi let the giant, dark-skinned angry zealot with the shaved head and the green midget Grandmaster manipulate him and control him and he kept caving in to them (you can see many examples of that in this book, "The Clone Wars: Wild Space", Obi-Wan feel sick to his stomach and empty but continues to cave in to the green midget Grandmaster and Yoda's cult leaders sitting on the council and practicing blind obedience and blind conformity most of the time, his own folly and blidness and his failure to leave the Order with Anakin or forcing the Order to reform led to the destruction of the Order turned cult and terrorist organization.
And Kenobi bears a lot of the responsibility for the destruction of his Order. He could have been reasonable, he could have left with Anakin or he could have reformed the Order by force if he must but he chose not to do the right thing, he chose not to push for change or reformation. And the Order was destroyed and he and the other Jedi who failed to be brave enough to leave the Order or force the Order to be reformed paid the heavy price for his folly and the folly of the other who failed just like him to do the right thing. I'd hoped that guilt and sadness would slowly kill Obi-Wan inside as he rotted in that cave on Tatooine for a decade, but no, he never felt any remorse for what he did.
In fact, he was so remorseless that he performed a kamikaze suicide attack during his final battle with Vader to turn Luke into a radicalized ticking terrorist time-bomb so Luke would kill both Sheev and his dad. Cultists Obi-Wan and Yoda secretely trained Luke so he could murder his own father. And these are suposed to be the good guys!? People should read "The radicalization of Luke Skylwalker: a Jedi's path to Jihad" by a username Comfortably Smug on the Decider website.
You, folks, should watch this:
They're telling it like it is, so many good points:
Here's a must watch playlist:
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLzG_3q50DuPn8hXunPokePpSIr2FfLzKd
Here's a must watch playlist:
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLzG_3q50DuPn8hXunPokePpSIr2FfLzKd
And here's four must read articles:
https://decider.com/2015/12/11/the-radicalization-of-luke-skywalker-a-jedis-path-to-jihad/
https://screenrant.com/star-wars-why-the-jedi-are-bad-guys-villains/
https://screenrant.com/palpatine-good-guy-star-wars-saga/
https://www.starwarsrp.net/threads/...how-to-curse-in-the-star-wars-universe.13891/
https://screenrant.com/star-wars-why-the-jedi-are-bad-guys-villains/
https://screenrant.com/palpatine-good-guy-star-wars-saga/
https://www.starwarsrp.net/threads/...how-to-curse-in-the-star-wars-universe.13891/
I will conclude with:
All these stories where Obi-Wan suffers, and a lot of his suffering were self-inflicted due to the bad choices he made (like not leaving the Order turned cult with Anakin, not reforming the Order, pushing down his feelings for Siri, constantly caving in to Yoda, etc) literally stuck a knife in my gut and then stood there and watched as I bled out all over the floor as I was suffering right along with him (which upset me but there was nothing I could do about it). Like honestly, welcome to my death? I kriffing hate that I feel way too much when reading these scenes where he suffers, suffers and suffers (no one should feel this much reading a book, sometimes I wonder if I'm alone in this), it's a freaking nightmare and sometimes it feels like it's never going to end and the scene where he suffers seems to last forever as it can go on for two or three chapters at times. He's doing his thing, and traveling to and from the gig he has, dead-eyed and depressed, and I'm all "I too go about my day and going to work everyday dead inside, Obi". I feel SEEN; thank you to the novel writers, Ewan McGregor and the writers’ room for externalizing how we all feel as we try to summon ourselves to go to work in the middle of all this madness. And I kriffing hate feeling powerless as I watch Obi-Wan suffer, knowing I can't do anything about it.
I used to hate Obi-Wan and feel nothing but loathing and disgust for him. But now all I feel for him is sadness and pity, and I feel so heartbroken, sad and empty that I can't even hate him anymore, all I feel for him is sadness and pity. I cried so much that I thought I would never be able to stop and that I thought I had no tears in my body left to cry. There is no space in my palms left uncarved by fingernail crescents from my clenched fists. And sometimes I can picture a scene where kriffing Yoda shows up and says "Drink my cult-flavored kool-aid, Obi-Wan does!" and me yelling at the green midget grandmaster "Eat banta poop, you kriffing jerk! The cult leaders sitting on the council don't do anything other than trash talk and try to swing their force less limp peepees! Kriff you, Yoda!".
I grieve what Obi-Wan could have been, what he could have become, had the cult leaders sitting on the council not rob him of his innocence, of his childhood, of his capacity to think for himself free of religious cult indoctrination and brainwashing since early infancy, of his future, of a better life and life opportunities that he might regret as he age; like a love life with a spouse, children biological or adopted, a normal job of his own choosing, his own projects, and the right to have his own political and religious views without danger of being killed or disappeared by some cult leaders sitting on the council should his views differ from theirs in the slightest.
He was condemned to a life of religious cult indoctrination, mind-control and fear of punishment should he disagree with anyone on the council, and not having a romantic partner to love and be loved and share his life with and grow old with, to fall asleep in their arms at night and wake up in their arms in the morning, and experiencing how wonderful love feels and love is and that no human being deserve to be deprived of that experience by some kriffing cult leaders like Yoda and Windu. Wjat the kriff? Who in the kriffing world would choose a religious cult over love? But they ruined Obi-Wan's potential love life, and Anakin's. I hate the cult leaders on the council because they deprive him of all this.
I cried not just because I grieve what he could have been, what he could have become had the cult leaders sitting on the council not kidnap him when he was a 10 months old baby (taken from the arms of his loving family) and deprive him of a normal kriffing childhood the likes of what Luke got and being raised by his own family just like Luke instead of being raised by some insane cult leaders who didn't tolerate any attachment, affection, love or emotions which is a highly harmful and toxic and unhealthy way to raise a child.
I also cried because he will never know what it's like to find true love with whoever was fated to be his romantic soulmate because the cult leaders sitting on the council took that away from him and indoctrinated him so much from the age of 10 months old that he's been obviously programmed to not even think of leaving the Order turned cult.
By the time he was old enough to think for himself, he was too brainwashed, too far gone (which is why they only take babies and think a 9 year old is "too old", because they hate the though of any of their child cult members being able to think for themselves and a 9 year old is not as easy to brainwash and indoctrinate as a 2 year old, they don't like the thought of their child cult members not being brainwashed as babies during their formative year to the point of being incapable of thinking for themselves as they grow up) to so much as think of leaving the Order turned cult. Twenty people left the cult and they were called the "lost" twenties, because the Jedi in the arrogance branded anyone who escaped the cult with their life to be "lost" people and "bad".
And in their insanity and arrogance they would even say that if it's not in their library or archive, then it doesn't kriffing exist, because the cult leaders sitting on the council could disappear any information that they didn't like or any information that threatens to challenge their position or their propaganda.
I wanted to see Obi-Wan vindicated and wanted to liberate him from the cult and give him the romantic soulmate, the freedom of choice and freedom of thought and the family and the happiness that he deserved and that he would have had had he not being taken by the cult leaders sitting on the council when he was an infant, and I wanted Anakin to be vindicated too, so I wrote those fanfictions:
Reading them from time to time as well as other fanfictions with those tags...
https://archiveofourown.org/tags/Obi-Wan Kenobi Leaves the Jedi Order/works
https://archiveofourown.org/tags/Anakin Skywalker Leaves the Jedi Order/works
... brings me comfort. I love reading those fix-it fanfictions. This gives me peace of mind and makes me feel thankful for fanfiction writers. If you're one such fanfiction writer, I'm thankful for your writing such stories.
Kat.
Edit:
I recently came across this video today:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99vwnSawB-8
And I read the conversations in the comment section of the video.
And I posted this (it was a reply to zephodb's post concerning things like canon and Star Wars):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99vwnSawB-8&lc=UgyNUMuz5ARmrpIYxtB4AaABAg.A9SxdU8tgiRAA6QbbJmlFD
(Quote) "zephodb,
You said (your own words):
"Yes/no... You need to look back to the 1950s-1980s where there were prolific authors and large chunks get 'left out' of the continuity of any given universe, ignored... and fan annoyance was the cause... Things basically getting dropped out of canon.
Or gosh, Star Wars where they tried to keep all the books straight, and things were at multiple levels of canon. It isn't just the Author who determines these things. The word Canon means the ~accepted~ body of work, not the Author's determination, except for more modern attempts to redefine words which is disingenuous at best... the idea that the Canon is determined by the Author is an idea that Lucas Arts created with the Master of the Holocron, whose job it was to keep track of the continuity and canon of the Star Wars universe due to all the arguments over what is canon and what isn't.
Look up the meaning of 'Western Canon', remember that Canon was first used in the late 1700s to talk about what was considered a masterwork or not among literature. Works that weren't 'up to snuff' weren't considered part of the Western Canon. To extrapolate more modernly... which of the Terminator movies actually happened? You can mostly get people to agree 1 and 2 happened, then even the later films actively ignore the other two because... they haven't been ~accepted~ as Canon."
You have some good points and this is what I have to say on this matter...
As far as I'm concerned and 98% of the Star Wars fanbase is with me on this, the old/original expanded universe will always be the true canon to us and we will never accept the Disney new crap "canon" with the Mary-Sue Ray and Gary-Stu Kylo sequels with the bad writing and the boring stuff and the garbage "Obi-Wan Kenobi" TV show that also happens to constantly break continuity and contradict established lore from episode 4 as canon. The former is far better than and far superior to the latter. The latter is freaking lame.
And it's not just the new movies and TV series in that garbage new "canon" that are lame, it's also the "new expanded universe" books that are lame. I've heard of a Padme trilogy ("Star Wars: Queen's Series" by E. K. Johnston) and I thought it would tell us more about the politics or the political stuff so I was hyped about trying this trilogy, only to be told by people who read it not to bother because it's about Padme talking about girly stuff (clothes, makeup and boys) with her female friends and that most of the story was about her maids, which is boring as kriff. I won't bother reading this Disney crap new "canon" trilogy, a bitter disappointment.
Did I mention that there's a book in which Obi-Wan fall in love but rejects love and chooses the religious cult instead ("Padawan" by Kiersten White)? How can anyone choose a religious cult over a love relationship is beyond me (why doesn't he just leave the order, or let's call it what it is, the religious cult, and find his soulmate while he's still young? Eventually, as he gets older, he'll seriously regret that he allowed himself to lose everything to that religious cult, that he wasted his life and that he let so many opportunities for a better life pass him by, the more people age the more they regret missed past opportunties and the bad decisions they made, mid-life crisis is gonna be awful for this guy and the worse thing is that the cult leaders sitting on the Jedi council who took him from his family and brought him to the temple when he was an infant robbed him of a normal freaking life with all the good things that it entails like; a spouse (of any gender), children biological or adopted, a normal job, personal projects, and of course free thinking, forming your own opinions and beliefs, especially about religion or politics, rather than just accepting what is officially or commonly believed and taught in a religious cult).
No one in their right mind would choose a religious cult over love. This is so... There's no word to describe how much this story exasperates me and and how much it rubs me the wrong way. This is one of the main reasons why I'll never read "Padawan" by Kiersten White. What I've heard about it upsets me enough that I don't ever want to read this book.
Some fanfictions are so much better than the Disney crap new "canon" books in the "new expanded universe" (those good fanfictions can be found on AO3, Archive of Our Own, and in a lot of them Obi-Wan leave the religious cult for a better life, there's even a "Obi-Wan leaves the Jedi Order" tag with nearly 200 creative works having this tag). And like I said, to most people in the fanbase, the old/original expanded universe novels are better than the Disney crap new "canon"/the "new expanded universe".
Also, the book "Padawan" by Kiersten White has LGBT themes from what I've heard, and I was told that there was some LGBT representation for once, but that doesn't really freaking matter anyways right, seeing as the main character chooses the religious cult over a love relationship every single time, so the representation is not actual representation and the author wasn't taking any risk or any actual steps to have any real representation considering how the book ends.
And that's just two examples. From my own personal experience (and a lot of people in the fanbase have experience the same thing, I'm far from the only one), all the Star Wars book publiched after 2014 (that is, all Star Wars books that are not old/original Expanded Universe) that I came across just weren't worth it, the synopsis or the horrors I've heard about them was a total turn off to me. Only the old/original expanded universe books are really worth it, because the old/original expanded universe is la creme de la creme of Star Wars and anything that comes after that is really not all that good by comparison.
Also, Disney doesn't get to decide for the whole fanbase what is or isn't canon, they don't get to decide that the old/original expanded universe which millions of people grew up with and loved for over 40 years and still love to this day is no longer canon overnight for no damn reason.
Also, George Lucas was involved in the old/original expanded universe, gave the writers advices and ideas and worked with them on portions of those books, but was never involved in the writing or the creation of the Disney new crap "canon" movies and TV series like the Mary-Sue Ray and Gary-Stu Kylo sequels and the garbage TV series like "Obi-Wan Kenobi" and "The Acolyte", in fact George Lucas said that he regrets he ever sold Star Wars and he wants it back, but Disney who ruined Star Wars won't sell it back to him.
Like many other people in the fanbase, when DLF release a new Star Wars movie or TV series taking place in their new and lame "canon", I just don't watch it and I binge read a bunch of old/original expanded universe novels from my personal bookshelf instead. "Heir to the empire", "Dark force rising" and "The last command" by Timothy Zahn is a far better sequel to "Return of the Jedi" than the Disney crap new "canon" Mary-Sue Rey and Gary-Stu Kylo sequels.
Also, all the old/original expanded universe Thrawn novels are great, and so is the "Medstar" duology, and the "Old Republic" series, and the prologues to episodes 1, 2, and 3 like "Cloak of deception", "The approaching storm" and "Labyrinth of "evil"" and others like "The Jedi apprentice" series by Jude Watson, The Darth Maul series ("Shadowhunter", "Saboteur" and "Restraint"), and "Rogue planet"."(Unquote)
I've given up on the Disney crap new "canon" a long time ago because nothing that's released in the "new expanded universe" is good, and the old/original expanded universe (the creme de la creme of Star Wars), as well as some great fanfictions on AO3 (Archive of Our Own), are so much better than this garbage. Everything Star Wars that was released after 2014 (everything that isn't the old/original expanded universe as opposed to the new expanded universe) just doesn't mesure up to the old/original expanded universe and left me disillusioned." (Unquote)
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