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Skyward Sword Wasn't Aonuma's Fault

Dio

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Malladus looked specifically like a train with a Ganondorf face on it. I'll admit I don't include "sequel" bosses such as Majora, as they were intended as "other adventures" beyond Ganondorf. And while Vaati had two games to himself, he appeared alongside Ganon in Four Swords Adventures.



Or maybe it was a Japanese Demon answer to said villain? A creation myth of sorts? I don't consider that insulting. I consider it a reference to Shinto, which added to the mythological quality of that particular leg of the series, not to mention the overall mood of the game. Zelda spent most of the game as a Miko of sorts, so this made sense.

Sometimes evil doesn't need a reason. It certainly didn't need a reason in Ocarina of Time, and in many other situations, he is simply the "big evil" to introduce the smaller "villain of the day". Skyward Sword was no different there. The only game in which Ganondorf had a motive that wasn't out of a Saturday morning cartoon was Wind Waker, and that game was pretty much spit on by "real fans" for years. I was sure as heck around to see it, as the first Zelda game came out when I was 6.

So let's just drop the whole who gets to be a real fan thing, okay? Someone saying that they don't feel it was inconsistent with the other games may have their reasons, as I do.

The Demon Train isn't Malladus himself. Its actually a living train used by Malladus and Cole to get out of the Dark realm. Malladus looks like a disembodied blue skull himself with no resemblance to Ganondorf.

Its the lack of screen time for Demise and nonexistent character developent I take issue with rather than a Demon existing as the explanation for Ganondorf. Had he been a major character in SS that would have been fine but he just transformed from a pinecone we had been fighting the whole game, challenged link to a duel straight away and then died.

Perhaps I'll make a proper thread for the inconsistencies of SS soon with the evidence plain for all to see.
 

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I'll admit I didn't particularly like the Hate Curse implying that the reincarnation will hate the gods. Ganondorf never really seems to express any hate toward them. In fact, he wants to use the Triforce so he must acknowledge them.

Demise on the otherhand seems to want to humilate them. I find it hard to believe that he ever wanted to use the Triforce, so I think his goal was to destroy it. That would be a huge slap in the face of the gods.
 

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I'll admit I didn't particularly like the Hate Curse implying that the reincarnation will hate the gods. Ganondorf never really seems to express any hate toward them. In fact, he wants to use the Triforce so he must acknowledge them.

Demise on the otherhand seems to want to humilate them. I find it hard to believe that he ever wanted to use the Triforce, so I think his goal was to destroy it. That would be a huge slap in the face of the gods.


In ALBW which is even newer than SS The fusion of Yuga and Ganon even expresses desire to take his rightful place amongst the Gods. Though it could be argued their desires are not the same I have never been under the Impression Ganondorf actually hates them, he just thinks himself as deserving to be on their level.

Demise does say he wants the 'almighty power'. Which makes me thin him to be on the level of Hylia in terms of power, perhaps even more so but not quite rivalling the Golden Goddesses.
 
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The Demon Train isn't Malladus himself. Its actually a living train used by Malladus and Cole to get out of the Dark realm. Malladus looks like a disembodied blue skull himself with no resemblance to Ganondorf.

And yet the intent of the Train's appearance is pretty obvious. What does "demon train" imply exactly? That it's either a demon or possessed by one. What would need to possess it? Try a demon trying to break out into the normal world, consume everything, take over, etc. And why the heck slap Ganondorf's face on it unless the intent was to invoke him into the story? Lastly, let's not forget that Malladus is named after a type of train engine. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LNER_Class_A4_4468_Mallard

I also think it's funny that after possessing Cole he turns into a giant pig monster. I wonder where we've seen that before. ;)

I think it's fairly obvious because of the demon train that Malladus was intended to be some kind of vengeful remnant of Ganondorf. Malladus and the train are either one in the same, or the train is possessed by Malladus. Whichever it is isn't really important, just the fact that they did make an obvious move to tie Ganondorf to him.

I think it's time I bow out, but I'll leave with this... Like 8thark said earlier, what a company does or doesn't do correctly never falls on one person. Everyone takes the credit or heat, for better or worse. I simply disagree with the idea that the game was a horrible Armageddon disaster, just because it was part of the Zelda universe. No, that's wrong. It's not our series, it's Nintendo's.
 

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