Breaking the cycle

[Spiritual Mask Salesman]

"Though this is not the end. My hate... never perishes. It is born anew in a cycle with no end! I will rise again. Those like you... Those who share the blood of the goddess and the spirit of the hero... They are eternally bound to this curse. An incarnation of my hatred shall ever follow your kind, dooming them to wander a blood-soaked sea of darkness for all time!" — Demise

The quote above explains why an incarnation of Demise's hatred will always torment Hylia's Bloodline and different incarnations of the Hero's Spirit. Now the quote specifically states that it is the combined exhistence of Hylia's Bloodline and the Hero's Spirit which brings forth incarnations of Demise's hatred. In theory, if one of the two elements of the curse (either the Hero's Spirit or Hylia's Bloodline) was destroyed than the curse would be broken. The question is how might it be accomplished?

Using the Triforce would be an easy scapegoat, so I'm not going to try going in depth on how that might work. The Hero's Spirit would be an irrelevant target precisely because it is a Spirit. A Spirit is considered divine in nature, it transcends time therefore it cannot be destroyed by any physical means - it will always be reborn in someone new. The only flaw in the curse which could be exploited is the fact that Demise specifically says it is Hylia's Bloodline which must be intact for the cycle to continue on. Destroy the bloodline and as a result the curse should come to an end. Sure killing people for no apparent reason (at first glance) is wrong, but it's for the greater good. It seems like the only way to end the curse.

So what do you all think? Please share your thoughts.

 

[Jirohnagi]

"Though this is not the end. My hate... never perishes. It is born anew in a cycle with no end! I will rise again. Those like you... Those who share the blood of the goddess and the spirit of the hero... They are eternally bound to this curse. An incarnation of my hatred shall ever follow your kind, dooming them to wander a blood-soaked sea of darkness for all time!" — Demise

The quote above explains why an incarnation of Demise's hatred will always torment Hylia's Bloodline and different incarnations of the Hero's Spirit. Now the quote specifically states that it is the combined exhistence of Hylia's Bloodline and the Hero's Spirit which brings forth incarnations of Demise's hatred. In theory, if one of the two elements of the curse (either the Hero's Spirit or Hylia's Bloodline) was destroyed than the curse would be broken. The question is how might it be accomplished?

Using the Triforce would be an easy scapegoat, so I'm not going to try going in depth on how that might work. The Hero's Spirit would be irrelevant precisely because it is a Spirit. A Spirit is considered divine in nature, it transcends time therefore it cannot be destroyed by any physical means - it will always be reborn in someone new. The only flaw in the curse which could be exploited is the fact that Demise specifically says it is Hylia's Bloodline which must be intact for the cycle to continue on. Destroy the bloodline and as a result the curse should come to an end. Sure killing people for no apparent reason (at first glance) is wrong, but it's for the greater good. It seems like the only way to end the curse.

So what do you all think? Please share your thoughts.

I figure the curse died out around WW time, after all WW Link has no Direct Link to the Hero's Spirit he is in fact a whole new Hero, The Spirit of Hylia seems to persist even after WW but The Hero's Spirit and the Reinarnation of Hatred both die out before Wind Waker both due to the Lineage dying out, we literally see the last of Ganondorf in the current timeline and he becomes a statue.

 

[Spiritual Mask Salesman]

I figure the curse died out around WW time, after all WW Link has no Direct Link to the Hero's Spirit he is in fact a whole new Hero, The Spirit of Hylia seems to persist even after WW but The Hero's Spirit and the Reinarnation of Hatred both die out before Wind Waker both due to the Lineage dying out, we literally see the last of Ganondorf in the current timeline and he becomes a statue.

The curse would be applied to all branches of the timeline.

 

[Jirohnagi]

The curse would be applied to all branches of the timeline.

Yes but we can't apply it to some paths, Vaati i suspect isn't part of the curse, he doesn't act like ganon at all. Malladus can be traced back further than Bellum, we know Malladus isn't a reincarnation because he was sealed away exceedingly long ago. And unless we are going with the multiple spirits of revenge i can't see it working out. If we take the Ganondorf as the main way, it takes minimum 100 years per cycle of reincarnation, due to gerudo's breeding. If we look at it as a divergent spirit of hatred it wouldn't make sense. Why would Bellum and Malladus exist already, because at the times before Link actually shows up they are both going on their merry way, Malladus getting sealed and Bellum stealing Life Force. Vaati Might be plausible to link to the cycle but i don't know.

 

[Spiritual Mask Salesman]

Yes but we can't apply it to some paths, Vaati i suspect isn't part of the curse, he doesn't act like ganon at all. Malladus can be traced back further than Bellum, we know Malladus isn't a reincarnation because he was sealed away exceedingly long ago. And unless we are going with the multiple spirits of revenge i can't see it working out. If we take the Ganondorf as the main way, it takes minimum 100 years per cycle of reincarnation, due to gerudo's breeding. If we look at it as a divergent spirit of hatred it wouldn't make sense. Why would Bellum and Malladus exist already, because at the times before Link actually shows up they are both going on their merry way, Malladus getting sealed and Bellum stealing Life Force. Vaati Might be plausible to link to the cycle but i don't know.

Who's to say an incarnation besides Ganon(dorf) won't appear on the other branches? The curse would still be applied to them all unless destroyed somehow. Sure a new incarnation besides Ganon(dorf) might not exhist on those branches but eventually they could, plus Ganon(dorf) is a incarnation which Hyrule would be better off without - so why not try ending the curse if it was possible?

Anyway in general the topic is how might the curse be ended, not what villians are incarnations of Demise's hatred.

 

[Jirohnagi]

Who's to say an incarnation besides Ganon(dorf) won't appear on the other branches? The curse would still be applied to them all unless destroyed somehow. Sure a new incarnation besides Ganon(dorf) might not exhist on those branches but eventually they could, plus Ganon(dorf) is a incarnation which Hyrule would be better off without - so why not try ending the curse if it was possible?

Damn i don't think i got the point fully across. My thought was that if Ganondorf was the SOLE vessal of hatred it'd take minimum 100 years for the spirit to gain full power to act again, wheras if Demise split it multiple ways it'd explain Vaati quite well. His disregard for humanity and the strength as well as intelligence would end up as vaati, the blind rage and brute cunning would be Ganondorfs. Either way i suspect that yes the Spirit of Hatred would only reappear when either one of the others was out of the picture that way it'd be able to fight and more than likely win against one.

I think that The Spirit of Hatred can't Reincarnate if their is already a dominate evil in the land such as Malladus or Bellum.

 

[Emmanuel]

"Though this is not the end. My hate... never perishes. It is born anew in a cycle with no end! I will rise again. Those like you... Those who share the blood of the goddess and the spirit of the hero... They are eternally bound to this curse. An incarnation of my hatred shall ever follow your kind, dooming them to wander a blood-soaked sea of darkness for all time!" — Demise

The quote above explains why an incarnation of Demise's hatred will always torment Hylia's Bloodline and different incarnations of the Hero's Spirit. Now the quote specifically states that it is the combined exhistence of Hylia's Bloodline and the Hero's Spirit which brings forth incarnations of Demise's hatred. In theory, if one of the two elements of the curse (either the Hero's Spirit or Hylia's Bloodline) was destroyed than the curse would be broken. The question is how might

Using the Triforce would be an easy scapegoat, so I'm not going to try going in depth on how that might work. The Hero's Spirit would be an irrelevant target precisely because it is a Spirit. A Spirit is considered divine in nature, it transcends time therefore it cannot be destroyed by any physical means - it will always be reborn in someone new. The only flaw in the curse which could be exploited is the fact that Demise specifically says it is Hylia's Bloodline which must be intact for the cycle to continue on. Destroy the bloodline and as a result the curse should come to an end. Sure killing people for no apparent reason (at first glance) is wrong, but it's for the greater good. It seems like the only way to end the curse.

So what do you all think? Please share your thoughts.

By my reading of Demise's words, Link's spirit and Zelda's bloodline are indeed bound to the curse, but their continued existence is not necessarily the means by which the cycle is allowed to continue. Even if the last of Zelda's line perished from the earth, the evil of Ganondorf/Demise would still exist. If Zelda's line were to be vanquished, I suspect that the goddesses would need to select another "chosen one" to bear the Triforce of Wisdom. Ultimately, I feel that Demise is motivated less by pure hatred and more by his lust for power.

 

[Spiritual Mask Salesman]

I figure the curse died out around WW time, after all WW Link has no Direct Link to the Hero's Spirit he is in fact a whole new Hero, The Spirit of Hylia seems to persist even after WW but The Hero's Spirit and the Reinarnation of Hatred both die out before Wind Waker both due to the Lineage dying out, we literally see the last of Ganondorf in the current timeline and he becomes a statue.

The only thing WW Link and OoT Link have in common is the Spirit of the Hero. Hylia's bloodline is intact through Tetra (Zelda), sure Ganondorf gets turned to stone but in the end as long as the other two elements of the curse still exhist (and they do even after WW) than a new incarnation can rise again. Most people think Maladus is that new incarnation - even if he isn't though the curse still can be applied to the Adult/Hero is successful branch from OoT.

 

[Jirohnagi]

But as far as i know WW Link has NO connections to OOT Link, KORL even states that to Jabun at one point. I'd would have thought that'd include no connection to the spirit of Hylia's Champion (the Spirit possessed by Hero of Time)

 

[Spiritual Mask Salesman]

But as far as i know WW Link has NO connections to OOT Link, KORL even states that to Jabun at one point. I'd would have thought that'd include no connection to the spirit of Hylia's Champion (the Spirit possessed by Hero of Time)

It's the Spirit of Skyward Sword Link which all heroes must share. WW Link didn't need to have any connections to OoT Link, the only thing they have in common is that same Hero's Spirit. If WW Link didn't have the same Spirit he wouldn't have been able to weild the Master Sword.

 

[Jirohnagi]

It's the Spirit of Skyward Sword Link which all heroes must share. WW Link didn't need to have any connections to OoT Link, the only thing they have in common is that same Hero's Spirit. If WW Link didn't have the same Spirit he wouldn't have been able to weild the Master Sword.

As we see in ALTTP you only need the virtues in balance to wield that sword. So i don't think the Master Sword has any connection to the Hero's Spirit.

 

[Spiritual Mask Salesman]

As we see in ALTTP you only need the virtues in balance to wield that sword. So i don't think the Master Sword has any connection to the Hero's Spirit.

http://zeldawiki.org/Link

Read the top of the page.

 

[Jirohnagi]

Really your gonna quote the zeldaorg wiki? That doesn't work at all. The thing states that they all carry the spirit of the hero but are chosen by the goddess. Sorry but that don't cut no dice man. Unless the Goddess' can direct the spirit of the Hero as they will that wiki isn't credible.

 

[Spiritual Mask Salesman]

Really your gonna quote the zeldaorg wiki? That doesn't work at all. The thing states that they all carry the spirit of the hero but are chosen by the goddess. Sorry but that don't cut no dice man. Unless the Goddess' can direct the spirit of the Hero as they will that wiki isn't credible.

Even Ganondorf in WW states, “Surely you are the Hero of Time, reborn.” to WW Link. I just feel as if the only thing which binds all Link's together is the same Spirit. It's the spirit which is reincarnated. You see my point? Otherwise what connects them all, what do they have in common?

 

[Jirohnagi]

The three virtues connect them they each hold the balance of them otherwise they'd not be able to use the master sword correctly. Ganondorf just makes an assumption he doesn't know the truth