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But Microsoft and Microsoft alone is trying to change that for consoles.
Wasn't that supposed to be for Xbone 1 though.. >_> hint
it didn't work
But Microsoft and Microsoft alone is trying to change that for consoles.
And what I have to say to that is this:
People who define the value of any media based on entertainment are why so many of these games are stagnant even to them. Don't spend time complaining about every movie being the same summer blockbuster or that skyward sword is a poor Zelda if you believe entertainment is the highest calling a game can have. People who do as you say will constantly be content and complacent. People who do as I say will constantly demand better and more. I tend to think seeing entertainment as the standard is a bit infantile or rather promoting of infancy. People should grow out of it.
Still, you are correct we disagree on the criteria.
Gaming is a form of entertainment, first and foremost. It isn't an art. It's entertainment.
Not at all. To be entertained, we must be diverted. That does not mean we must be having a joyful romp. We must simply not be having a poor time. People go for entertainment because it diverts them from whatever the rest of their life is made up of. (Although, in our media soaked age in which entertainment has become our lives, that produces several interesting questions.)By that definition, the most important thing is fun.
An entertaining game will provide fun
Assuming one is not entertained by highly artistic content, that's true. But assuming one is not entertained by run of the mill diversion aimed at fun, one also could not be having fun. For example, I no longer have "fun" or am "diverted" by playing Pokemon as it has very little to challenge me or feed the mind.A highly artistic game could very well not provide any fun at all.
How fun is achieved in gaming is different than how fun is achieved in other forms of entertainment (i.e., movies, books, board games, etc.).
However, in the end it is enjoyment in the form of fun that defines a game as a successful one or not.
Thus, Splatoon is a successful game. It is a fun game, flaws and all. Yes, there are flaws, some of which you included in your list in an earlier post. Yet those things do not take away from the game. The game still excels at what it does. Matchmaking issues, for example, do not harm the gameplay in game.
Actually yes considering that OSX has been renamed to Mac OS - verysimilar to what the classic Mac OS was called.MACINTOSH MASTER RACE
Actually yes considering that OSX has been renamed to Mac OS - verysimilar to what the classic Mac OS was called.
All Macintosh computers are PCs as well just letting you know.
A personal computer (PC) is a general-purpose computer whose size, capabilities, and original sale price make it useful for individuals, and is intended to be operated directly by an end-user with no intervening computers.Yes, OS X was renamed to macOS, and I'm running the macOS Sierra Developer Preview right now!
In my opinion,
PC refers to Windows computers (and sometimes Linux, even though it is not as popular as Windows and macOS)
It stands for personal computer (while Mac computers are so much more...)
It's all about the kernel, and the architecture of the OS.
Windows is not as architecturally sound and secure as macOS and Linux's Darwin.
But, if you use a PC, nothin' wrong with that.
Yes, you are correct, but when most people say PC, they are referring to a computer that runs Windows.A personal computer (PC) is a general-purpose computer whose size, capabilities, and original sale price make it useful for individuals, and is intended to be operated directly by an end-user with no intervening computers.
That's a nice definition of a PC. It clearly puts many of the devices we use like decktops, notebooks, tablets, iPhones, etc etc as PCs. This however is only the case when you can activate the smart device can activate itself the air, without requiring another computer to do so.
That is different to an IBM X86 compatable PC or whatever that definition of a PC is.
I don't use the dev preview versions of MacOS becaise I honestly have no need to try them, so I just wait for the stable release of whatever version of MacOS it is and download that to my iMac.
Indeed they are sir. And they are not referring to bootcamp eitherYes, you are correct, but when most people say PC, they are referring to a computer that runs Windows.
This is where we most obviously disagree. I do not see Art and Entertainment as mutually exclusive. Nor do I see them as even slightly exclusive. I would argue that they are like salt and pepper even. High art does not lack entertainment except to those blind to its charms. Entertainment is not devoid of high art except to those too blind to see the technique on display. I admit, some entertainment is devoid of any art, but I would argue this is what makes it so insufferable to most people. (Not that this stops them from being entertained if they can switch that feeling off.)
Not at all. To be entertained, we must be diverted. That does not mean we must be having a joyful romp. We must simply not be having a poor time. People go for entertainment because it diverts them from whatever the rest of their life is made up of. (Although, in our media soaked age in which entertainment has become our lives, that produces several interesting questions.)
The most important thing is that you be diverted. That can be achieved by fun and I admit is usually the way artists go about it. But something can be quite entertaining without being fun. Anyone who has ever watched their parents bitterly fight or stared at a car crash knows this.
Not necessarily. An entertaining game will provide diversion. People choose to have fun with that diversion.
Assuming one is not entertained by highly artistic content, that's true. But assuming one is not entertained by run of the mill diversion aimed at fun, one also could not be having fun. For example, I no longer have "fun" or am "diverted" by playing Pokemon as it has very little to challenge me or feed the mind.
This is why I think taste must be done away with, because taste is focused on something subjective - fun or enjoyment. I think focusing on the more artistic and technical aspects is far easier to talk about and quantify. I think people should be caring more for the latter and less for the former. I realize many people don't do this because caring about fun is way more seductive and very much the default position.
We disagree here as well. But please, tell me how it is different.
I disagree. I think that is how you and many others define a successful game. But I think your definition needs an update. I mean that in the best way possible.
They harm the gameplay before the gameplay has even begun.
I do not think the success of anything has very much to do with the object itself if I am being honest. I think the success has very much to do with the people involved. I think the people who play Splatoon by and large are not at all resistant and want to be swept up in a wave of gooey good time. I think the game could be even worse than the whelming it is at and many of them would adore it. We as a species seem to wish to be entertained and more than that we wish to be happy and have fun. And we'll stretch ourselves just about any way so that we can feel it.
I'm arguing that the games should be doing much more of the stretching, essentially. You shouldn't be loving a game because you love yourself in love with a game. You shouldn't think a game amazing because you are amazed by yourself being amazed. The thing should be it and you should be appreciating what it is.
I agree, largely, that the issue is with the audience. I would say the audience is being silly and conned, but perhaps that is too much.
Edit: I should also probably say that pretending everything you said were true just this minute, I would say that this is a dismal state of entertainment responsible for corroding human potential and entertainment itself down to a little, awful nub.
I would say we should immediately seek to correct this were it in fact fact and that to do otherwise by accepting it would be detrimental to us all.
Meaning you can still play them...... I never said it was always easy, but typically it is.Only if you are a crack whizz at older OS emualation.
Anything that was released on:
All need their OS emulated to play the games on movern computers.
- DOS
- Classic Mac OS
- Mac OS 10.0 to 10.6
- A non intel Mac
- Apple Newton
- Very old versions of Windows
- And others
No different to saying your Playstation 1 or N64 games or whatever old console you like can be played forever if you keep your old console hardware and an old television that can hook to an N64.Meaning you can still play them...... I never said it was always easy, but typically it is.