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That is a great reference. Keep in mind, though, the time scales involved. My quick (math free) estimate would basicly place every game before Breath of the Wild in the first era of the wheel, and Breath of the wild probably sitting in the third era, if not even later. Even if Demise (Shaitan)...

I'm not one for pokemon, but my wife and children are. I think I get what you are getting at, but I don't think it holds up. If Demise would create a cyclical world where defeating it was just a matter of cycles, I doubt the Hylia would go through the trouble of setting up her own time loop, to...

From an absolute perspective, you are correct. From a relativistic perspective, after an event, not so much. And, yes the earliest game in the timeline starts with time manipulation, so while you are correct in the absolute definition, the working definition here is more relative. Good point...

It all depends on how you define natural. If it's an absolute definition, then the only natural timeline would be one where Demise was victorious, and you are absolutely correct. Unfortunately (And I really mean that. I would love to see it in game.), we don't see a timeline split from Skyward...

I went back to give it a second read. If I get UWU correctly, they are saying that the events we get to play in Ocarina of time are altered from the downfall timeline. This means that while Wind Waker naturally comes from the events we play, that was an alteration to begin with. By all means @...

That's not the way I read it.

Both of these ideas work together. And, I like where they are going.

I don't know if predestination is the right term for the real world part of what I am talking about, but it does fit for the Zeldaverse side. Is that a pre-existing theory? I might not know it by that name.

I feel like we are saying the same thing, in different ways. We need a Doc Brown reference here; hold on. That's better. Basically, the new revelation about the events we see in Ocarina of Time, is that they only happen that way in the one timeline, the adult timeline. We seem to be in...

According to your proposition, which I like: Ocarina of time starts as the second tangent, and ends with the beginning of the third tangent. Be it this set of events, or a different time manipulation trick somewhere else (there are plenty to choose from), the idea is the same. The downfall...

Look at it this way; the chain of events that lead up to Wind Waker, and the rest of the adult timeline, are as we see them in Ocarina of Time, including Link being sent away. The events that line up with Ocarina of Time, after Link was sent back, for the child timeline, was vastly different. We...

While explaining this theory elsewhere, I realized that while we play through the events of Ocarina of Time, we are basically in the Adult timeline. If this is all correct, Link's failure for the downfall timeline happens before we play. The child timeline is created after the final battle...

I think this is a workable theory. It might also help to explain why we don't see timeline splits in Twilight Princess, or Skyward Sword, even though we have time manipulation. You bring up another good point. It doesn't matter how good your defense is, if all you do is defend against...

I was actually referring to the backstory, at the beginning, @Spiritual Mask Salesman. Interfering, as @Uwu_Oocoo2 defined it is different from temporal interference (messing with the flow of time).

I suppose, the terminology could use a little housekeeping. You do have a point, as to the interference part. Technically the first interfering action was by Dimise, back before Skyward Sword. The interference I was referring to, would be from the time travel shenanigans, be they from Cia, a...

That's not how continuity works. If it's a part of the world, it's a part of the world. The main point, about quantum theory is, we don't need it. There are better explanations, which are more consistent. After looking at the thread, linked by, @Moblinking5000, i can say that it is an...

Very true. Although, saying that quantum theory only comes in to play with some games, because it explains something, then ignoring it for other similar situations, is like saying that gravity only matters sometimes. Again I'm fine with the multiverse explanation, if it gets me the dark timeline...

I think I remember some of the theory presented by @Moblinking5000. It's been a long time since I have been on here. Feel free to drop a link, so can refresh myself. That's a good way to put it. Be it the power of the Tri-Force or time travel, the hero and the land seem to be doomed without...

Suspect "n"s aside, I think some of you are misunderstanding me. I'm not saying that it's the death that's ruled out by the continuity of the other games, but the game over. Otherwise, where's my Twilight Princess darkest timeline game? I get that the split was inspired by the many worlds...

Yes, the official statement is Link dies. Not only does that not make sense, in the normal way it is used, without an alternative timeline in every game, but Link dies more than just when the player gets a game over. In a case where Link is not pulled out of the flow of time, he just wouldn't be...

For starters, the way I make sense of the timeline split is not that the player gets a game over, but that Gannon(dorf) is unaposed. Either the downfall is created when Link is pulled from the flow of time; or what happens when Link doesn't have the ability to defeat him, without time travel...