Shadsie
Sage of Tales
Holy Triforce, I'm making a Timeline topic. May the Goddesses have mercy on my soul. (Too brave for your own good, Shadsie. Farore, be with me?)
I don't want this to turn into a fight because, frankly, I don't give a rat's hiney about the Timeline. I've seen many different ideas upon it and I tend to lean toward "whatever the creators say" as being canon - this is called "Word of God" on TV Tropes. Read more here: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/WordOfGod Though, with Nintendo, I'm not quite sure... since they seem to make a game, then decide where it's supposed to fit and honestly, some of it doesn't make sense to me.
Now, I am a writer (though I may not be a professional just yet). Plot is God to me. I write and I edit and re-edit and recheck my work to make sure a given plot of whatever I'm working on is internally consistent. I also write a lot, and I do mean a lot, of fan fiction for the various entertainments/other peoples' stories I get obessed over. Whenever I am writing fanfiction for something, I re-check canon to make sure I'm getting details right (even as I'm doing my own thing) and in this way, I tend to find plotholes in the things I like. The Legend of Zelda is no different. Plotholes ahoy!
(Not necessarily a bad thing. Plotholes inspire me to write fanfiction)
This is why I don't tend to care about sent in stone Timelines very much... I see everyone fighting, my brain starts spinning, it's already filled with the notations of a milion plotholes and I wind up writing my own kind of thing, anyway (incudling a WIP right now that *purposefully* ignores Timeline Split because my co-writer and I didn't agree on the Timeline when we concieved the basic story and we wanted to do lots of refrence-cramming). I'm very flexible on the Timeline issue, so, if you start fighting, folks, and I'll just ignore you. Anyway...
Now, to the point of my post...
Supposing "Word of God" here isn't quick n' dirty plot butt-pulling (and I say this out of respect, sometimes the heart and soul of writing is knowing how to butt-pull ) and is/should be the correct Timeline, there is something about the Child Timeline between Ocarina of Time and Twilight Princess that's always confused me...
In Twilight Princess, Link is compared a lot to "The Hero of the Past" (presumably, the Hero of Time). This past Hero is said to have saved Hyrule from its darkest times. (I believe Renado said something to that effect, if anyone can bring up a quote, it would be appreciated).
If this takes place in the Child Timeline, where Hero of Time Link goes back in time to be a kid, goes to Termina, and all that business in Ocarina of Time where he sealed Ganondorf away in dramatic fashion did not happen...
How the heck do they know of his greatness in the TP era?
To answer my own question a bit, perhaps Hero of Time Link came back from Termina and did lots of other cool stuff... and, as is generally thought, warned the King with Zelda about Ganny and prevented him from rising to power and so forth.
Still, guy who's name I forget how to spell said something about the Child Timeline being a "pacified timeline."
If it was pacified, peaceful... and the Hero of Time just pretty much got to grow up in nice times... where is the drama that would make him the grand Hero that everyone would be looking back on and holding in reference in his decendant's/successor's era (Twilight Princess era)?
[This has always bothered me a bit. The result of this, so far, has been a post OoT/MM fanfiction from me that has, as part of its plot, a detailed description of how Link was essentially "split" when he was sent back in time, history in Hyrule repeated itself, and young Link spent several years in Termina before returning to Hyrule simply to avoid a temporal paradox from running into himself. (Now, before you start tearing me to shreds, this is JUST A FANFIC and nothing I'm proclaiming as canon... it's just my way of "filling in a plothole" for personal pleasure)].
Anybody got any (non-violent!!!) thoughts on this?
*Holds up hands, awaiting the stones.*
I don't want this to turn into a fight because, frankly, I don't give a rat's hiney about the Timeline. I've seen many different ideas upon it and I tend to lean toward "whatever the creators say" as being canon - this is called "Word of God" on TV Tropes. Read more here: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/WordOfGod Though, with Nintendo, I'm not quite sure... since they seem to make a game, then decide where it's supposed to fit and honestly, some of it doesn't make sense to me.
Now, I am a writer (though I may not be a professional just yet). Plot is God to me. I write and I edit and re-edit and recheck my work to make sure a given plot of whatever I'm working on is internally consistent. I also write a lot, and I do mean a lot, of fan fiction for the various entertainments/other peoples' stories I get obessed over. Whenever I am writing fanfiction for something, I re-check canon to make sure I'm getting details right (even as I'm doing my own thing) and in this way, I tend to find plotholes in the things I like. The Legend of Zelda is no different. Plotholes ahoy!
(Not necessarily a bad thing. Plotholes inspire me to write fanfiction)
This is why I don't tend to care about sent in stone Timelines very much... I see everyone fighting, my brain starts spinning, it's already filled with the notations of a milion plotholes and I wind up writing my own kind of thing, anyway (incudling a WIP right now that *purposefully* ignores Timeline Split because my co-writer and I didn't agree on the Timeline when we concieved the basic story and we wanted to do lots of refrence-cramming). I'm very flexible on the Timeline issue, so, if you start fighting, folks, and I'll just ignore you. Anyway...
Now, to the point of my post...
Supposing "Word of God" here isn't quick n' dirty plot butt-pulling (and I say this out of respect, sometimes the heart and soul of writing is knowing how to butt-pull ) and is/should be the correct Timeline, there is something about the Child Timeline between Ocarina of Time and Twilight Princess that's always confused me...
In Twilight Princess, Link is compared a lot to "The Hero of the Past" (presumably, the Hero of Time). This past Hero is said to have saved Hyrule from its darkest times. (I believe Renado said something to that effect, if anyone can bring up a quote, it would be appreciated).
If this takes place in the Child Timeline, where Hero of Time Link goes back in time to be a kid, goes to Termina, and all that business in Ocarina of Time where he sealed Ganondorf away in dramatic fashion did not happen...
How the heck do they know of his greatness in the TP era?
To answer my own question a bit, perhaps Hero of Time Link came back from Termina and did lots of other cool stuff... and, as is generally thought, warned the King with Zelda about Ganny and prevented him from rising to power and so forth.
Still, guy who's name I forget how to spell said something about the Child Timeline being a "pacified timeline."
If it was pacified, peaceful... and the Hero of Time just pretty much got to grow up in nice times... where is the drama that would make him the grand Hero that everyone would be looking back on and holding in reference in his decendant's/successor's era (Twilight Princess era)?
[This has always bothered me a bit. The result of this, so far, has been a post OoT/MM fanfiction from me that has, as part of its plot, a detailed description of how Link was essentially "split" when he was sent back in time, history in Hyrule repeated itself, and young Link spent several years in Termina before returning to Hyrule simply to avoid a temporal paradox from running into himself. (Now, before you start tearing me to shreds, this is JUST A FANFIC and nothing I'm proclaiming as canon... it's just my way of "filling in a plothole" for personal pleasure)].
Anybody got any (non-violent!!!) thoughts on this?
*Holds up hands, awaiting the stones.*