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I know this isn't an infraction, but I think it has to be pointed out that the staff is attempting to silience and intimidate me out of opposing them on the knights issue.
I recieved this warning:


Despite assurances to the contrary, is a very blatant attempt to try to scare me out of opposing them. I have done nothing wrong in the thread and I was within my rights to point out the abuse of power that was going on and the harassment I was receiving. In response all I get is accused of being the one at fault when this is not the case. I felt it was wrong to stay silent about this intimidation and I need to make sure it's made clear that using moderator powers to threaten people is extremely inappropriate. I do think this warning needs to be deleted and I deserve an apology for the treatment I have been getting and the staff's attempts to remove my ability to voice my opinion on this matter.

"Scare you out of opposing them" is an absolutely absurd statement. Before this warning, you have only received one infraction in 2012, and a warning before that. Contrary to your insistent claims, the staff are not a massive shadow government that orchestrated 9/11 so we could use the panic to pass the K.N.I.G.H.T. act. Do you honestly think it's a giant conspiracy of corrupt staff just trying to oppress you anyway they can? If we really, really did not care, you'd be banned a long time ago, and forum suggestions and feedback would not even exist. Everything would be done unilaterally and user input would never be taken into account.

In the past you have made some valid points about the staff's actions, some of which I agreed with, and I think most of those things have been addressed now and have improved. The problem is you always take it to the absolute extreme. It can never just be "I disagree with <admin/mod/CC> on X issue, therefore this needs to be changed" or whatever. It always ends up being this insane conspiracy rant about how your human rights are being violated and the immoral staff are crushing the opposition with force. That bit would have actually made some sense years ago when Austin and Xinn were in charge, but now it's just insane. I won't stop anyone from voicing their opinion or complaining about the administration, but you have made a career out of making baseless accusations (see: what you said about Repentance in your first few posts in the reworking HKs thread) and overall being hysterical.

So, you received a warning (not even an infraction, although many people have been infracted for A LOT less than what you've been doing) because you consistently refused to heed any informal warning. Naturally, this is a victory in your eyes because it means you get to claim the shadow government really is out to get you! As you can see, it's a self-fulfilling prophecy, and all actions -- regardless of whether they are even related -- can be stitched into the conspiracy even if they contradict each other. Because everything is under the blanket of "OPPRESSION!!!!111". You constantly talk about how you were "treated" by the staff, again, despite having had literally no action ever taken against you since 2012. Ultimately what this comes down to is an unbelievably inflated persecution complex you have that is fed by literally every action anyone takes. Everything can in some way be assimilated into it. You warp everything into something that can somehow support your position, like with the HK poll that was totally unambiguous and clearly won, yet you say that people committed voter fraud (not even going to touch on how ridiculous this is) and the poll is invalid because people were uninformed. Uninformed of your opinion, which clearly is the only true opinion on the issue.

And finally, if anyone deserves an apology... it's the entire ****ing forum for putting up with your bull**** for all this time.
 

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"Scare you out of opposing them" is an absolutely absurd statement. Before this warning, you have only received one infraction in 2012, and a warning before that. Contrary to your insistent claims, the staff are not a massive shadow government that orchestrated 9/11 so we could use the panic to pass the K.N.I.G.H.T. act. Do you honestly think it's a giant conspiracy of corrupt staff just trying to oppress you anyway they can? If we really, really did not care, you'd be banned a long time ago, and forum suggestions and feedback would not even exist. Everything would be done unilaterally and user input would never be taken into account.

In the past you have made some valid points about the staff's actions, some of which I agreed with, and I think most of those things have been addressed now and have improved. The problem is you always take it to the absolute extreme. It can never just be "I disagree with <admin/mod/CC> on X issue, therefore this needs to be changed" or whatever. It always ends up being this insane conspiracy rant about how your human rights are being violated and the immoral staff are crushing the opposition with force. That bit would have actually made some sense years ago when Austin and Xinn were in charge, but now it's just insane. I won't stop anyone from voicing their opinion or complaining about the administration, but you have made a career out of making baseless accusations (see: what you said about Repentance in your first few posts in the reworking HKs thread) and overall being hysterical.

So, you received a warning (not even an infraction, although many people have been infracted for A LOT less than what you've been doing) because you consistently refused to heed any informal warning. Naturally, this is a victory in your eyes because it means you get to claim the shadow government really is out to get you! As you can see, it's a self-fulfilling prophecy, and all actions -- regardless of whether they are even related -- can be stitched into the conspiracy even if they contradict each other. Because everything is under the blanket of "OPPRESSION!!!!111". You constantly talk about how you were "treated" by the staff, again, despite having had literally no action ever taken against you since 2012. Ultimately what this comes down to is an unbelievably inflated persecution complex you have that is fed by literally every action anyone takes. Everything can in some way be assimilated into it. You warp everything into something that can somehow support your position, like with the HK poll that was totally unambiguous and clearly won, yet you say that people committed voter fraud (not even going to touch on how ridiculous this is) and the poll is invalid because people were uninformed. Uninformed of your opinion, which clearly is the only true opinion on the issue.

And finally, if anyone deserves an apology... it's the entire ****ing forum for putting up with your bull**** for all this time.
You're doing a lot more to prove my case than I could have alone. Thanks. You keep accusing me of having these grand conspiracies to demonize me. You are using an infraction that was unfair and overruled, but still left on my record, against me to say I deserved worse than I got. I took issue with the warning exactly because of that. It was inevitable that in the future it was going to be used as a rationalization to say I deserve a more harsh treatment. I have had a history of being subject to unfair treatment by the mods. That's not a conspiracy, it happened. Whether you like it or not doesn't matter.
The handling of the HK issue is irrelevant to the subject here because this is about what the mods did to me, not how they handled something else, so bringing up those points, and twisting them the way you did, only looks like you're trying to create ad hominem attacks to justify the warning and to justify a further "punishment" if I don't stop protesting the treatment I got. You are an admin now, you are going to have to accept the fact that people are not going to agree with everything you do. Demonizing every single person that questions your decisions is not going to make your actions look more justified. Continuing to threaten me and talk about how bad I am and how lucky you think I am not to have gotten worse does absolutely nothing to raise any doubt about my assertion that I was unfairly treated. All it does is cast doubt on the validity of the accusations against me. Wonderful touch at the end there.
 

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So, this was completely the last thing I wanted to do since I didn’t even know if I agreed with this thread’s existence. However I don't seem to have much choice currently. So let's start please.

Originally Kitsu was brought on as a “tech-admin” to, ya’ know, do tech stuff? But then he started dealing with the community which would have been fine if his personality wasn’t sandpaper. By this I mean he lets his emotions cloud his judgment when he doesn't like something/someone.

You can clearly observe this phenomena in his message toward Matt, but this is common for him as my many experiences have taught me. He’ll do this with anyone he dislikes, exactly the same type of people we were trying to get rid of a couple years ago…..

And finally, if anyone deserves an apology... it's the entire ****ing forum for putting up with your bull**** for all this time.

I was very sick of this when Kitsu replied to Matt and therefore called him out in a private Skype message and this is when Kitsu started to have it out for me.

It was very clearly intended to be private as not to create a huge deal, which at the time it wasn't to me.

[Today 06:57 PM] Kitsu : Matt : It's scary when you can't tell if something is completely serious or an elaborate joke. << this is how I feel about DARK MASTER

However, he started insulting me in the Shoutbox without me even being there…



This continued until he started randomly harassing me over my personal taste for colored text(A Perfectly legitimate option in the ZD system for people that have a personal like of colored text) in a VM which I deleted(should still be saved in a report) .

So I took a friend’s advice to ignore him and report (which should still be saved) whatever misbehavior I see toward me, which made a calm before the storm, for lack of a better expression. Kitsu backed off and improved for about a week or so until I think he thought he could pull what he did tonight.

No, you commonly imply it. You say things like wanting to play raer seldas and show people your master sword and **** like that all the time, and it's disgusting

Kitsu - Report Shout Today 02:10 AM
oh **** off

He completely made a straw-man argument at me then proceeded to insult me without any justification because I just asked a serious question.

So I reported his beihavior, and roughly five minutes later he sent me an infraction.......

Kitsu said:
Dear DARK MASTER,

You have received an infraction at Dungeon Gaming Network.

Reason: Trolling (2nd Degree)
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Baiting and trolling members.
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This infraction is worth 8 point(s) and may result in restricted access until it expires. If you feel you have received this in error or unjustly, please report this PM and present your case to be reviewed by the moderation team.

All the best,
Dungeon Gaming Network


Really? This is riddled with so many layers of issues...

Now listen closely guys, I don’t know if I’d agree since he never really explained what exactly it was for other than an ambiguous auto-answer which even then doesn't seem to make much sense, considering we were previously discussing how we should go about questioning one’s beliefs without being logically inconsistent, very inoffensive.

However, let’s pretend for the sake of argument, I was in the wrong, does it really make much sense for me to be interacted by the person who has seriously been harassing me for the past few weeks?

From my experience, Kitsu does this literately all the time, and I think I am just his latest target, but I'm sure many others including lots of people I know have their own experiences.

People who know me personally like, Matt, Selenus, Zeldalinknavi, Vanessa, or hell, even people who don’t know me very well could say I tend not to throw around generalizations or bold assumptions, but I honestly think this is a clear case of power abuse, and I've moderated/moderate in many communities so I know both perspectives of this subject.

In summary, Kitsu has displayed a profound sense of unprofessionalism in a forum that is still sizable enough to demand it from what I believe to be a moral obligation.


Ladies and gentlemen, excuse me for writing a novel, but I just had to express my opinion on this very unfair situation. Please consider all the evidence very seriously. Kitsu currently isn't just a user, but a person with a job who needs to act appropriately.

I strongly believe Kitsu needs to be punished and this should be reversed.

Thank you very sincerely for your time!
 
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I was online during the shoutbox conversation that most certainly was the reasoning for this. And there was nothing that could possibly justify an infraction or even a warning for DM. But there WAS some going on that could warrant one for Kitsu. He behaved very poorly for a member, and extremely badly for an admin. He insulted and attacked DARK MASTER without provocation. The logs for the entire conversation in context are here:

Snow Queen - Report Shout Today 02:11 AM
i missed some of this because i was watching windows destruction
DARK MASTER - Report Shout Today 02:11 AM
No, that was a question.
Lemmy Koopa - Report Shout Today 02:11 AM
I'd appreciate if you'd change the subject, DARK, yeah.
Snow Queen - Report Shout Today 02:11 AM
lets all calm down
Kitsu - Report Shout Today 02:10 AM
You're the biggest troll to ever post on this site, you have absolutely no room to speak
Snow Queen - Report Shout Today 02:10 AM
kitty lets calm down
DARK MASTER - Report Shout Today 02:10 AM
And I don't mean, I don't mind changing a subject if someone's upset Lemmy.
Fig - Report Shout Today 02:10 AM
I just didn't want you to get disturbed by my previous comment.
Fig - Report Shout Today 02:10 AM
Oh ok.
Kitsu - Report Shout Today 02:10 AM
oh **** off
DARK MASTER - Report Shout Today 02:10 AM
Are you trolling Kitsu?
Lemmy Koopa - Report Shout Today 02:09 AM
Not you, bro. You're fine.
Wolf Sage - Report Shout Today 02:09 AM
s'mores
Kitsu - Report Shout Today 02:09 AM
And don't even play dumb, you know what you're doing
Kitsu - Report Shout Today 02:09 AM
No, you commonly imply it. You say things like wanting to play raer seldas and show people your master sword and **** like that all the time, and it's disgusting
Fig - Report Shout Today 02:09 AM
Sorry.
Lemmy Koopa - Report Shout Today 02:08 AM
Can you stop?
DARK MASTER - Report Shout Today 02:08 AM
That is far more sexual if I was even remotely sexual lol.
DARK MASTER - Report Shout Today 02:08 AM
So for example, I wasn't like, "Let's talk about porn"
DARK MASTER - Report Shout Today 02:08 AM
Kitsu, a sexual comment would be talking about said, not sexuality.
Lemmy Koopa - Report Shout Today 02:07 AM
...
DARK MASTER - Report Shout Today 02:07 AM
Oh, I no I think you mean sexuality.
Kitsu - Report Shout Today 02:07 AM
I mean it's not even limited to the shoutbox
DARK MASTER - Report Shout Today 02:07 AM
Sexual?o_O
DARK MASTER - Report Shout Today 02:06 AM
Complete sentences.
Kitsu - Report Shout Today 02:06 AM
you literally just come to the shoutbox to make really creepy sexual comments
DARK MASTER - Report Shout Today 02:06 AM
Do what...?
Kitsu - Report Shout Today 02:06 AM
DM why do you do this
Mellow Ezlo - Report Shout Today 02:05 AM
*Mellow Ezlo has just replied to the thread The Picture Thread*
Fig - Report Shout Today 02:05 AM
*Fig huggles Sis*
DARK MASTER - Report Shout Today 02:05 AM
Tingle isn't gay.
DARK MASTER - Report Shout Today 02:05 AM
"I like tacos..."
Snow Queen - Report Shout Today 02:04 AM
Great Fairy Tingle made me gay
Snow Queen - Report Shout Today 02:04 AM
Drugs
DARK MASTER - Report Shout Today 02:04 AM
What made you finally come out?
DARK MASTER - Report Shout Today 02:03 AM
Fig, that depends where you go.
Snow Queen - Report Shout Today 02:03 AM
I had a boyfriend because all the kool kids are doing it
Kitsu - Report Shout Today 02:03 AM
wat
Fig - Report Shout Today 02:03 AM
I know it's illegal, but I always thought a lobotomy would be interesting just to not deal with emotions.
DARK MASTER - Report Shout Today 02:03 AM
And why did you first have a boyfriend?
DARK MASTER - Report Shout Today 02:02 AM
When did you first start having crushes on girls?
Snow Queen - Report Shout Today 02:02 AM
squish squish
Snow Queen - Report Shout Today 02:02 AM
no im squishy
Mamono101 - Report Shout Today 02:02 AM
*Mamono101 has just replied to the thread Things That Are on Your Mind*
DARK MASTER - Report Shout Today 02:01 AM
Pretty simple actually.
DARK MASTER - Report Shout Today 02:01 AM
I am asking because I enjoy this subject.
Lemmy Koopa - Report Shout Today 02:01 AM
That's kind of personal, don't you think?
DARK MASTER - Report Shout Today 02:01 AM
Are you more of a dominant lesbian?
Snow Queen - Report Shout Today 02:01 AM
...
DARK MASTER - Report Shout Today 02:01 AM
What type of girls are you into?
Snow Queen - Report Shout Today 02:00 AM
Not really
DARK MASTER - Report Shout Today 02:00 AM
I really like Korra...
DARK MASTER - Report Shout Today 02:00 AM
So let me ask, do you find Zelda hot?
Snow Queen - Report Shout Today 02:00 AM
I'm happy with who I am
Snow Queen - Report Shout Today 02:00 AM
I'm happy
Snow Queen - Report Shout Today 02:00 AM
its not clear
Snow Queen - Report Shout Today 02:00 AM
maybe
DARK MASTER - Report Shout Today 02:00 AM
But what matters is you're happy with yourself.
DARK MASTER - Report Shout Today 01:59 AM
And I'm not sure you were straight lol, maybe just confused.
DARK MASTER - Report Shout Today 01:59 AM
Ah, well I support your fights.
Wolf Sage - Report Shout Today 01:56 AM
*Wolf Sage has just replied to the thread Post your desktop wallpaper*
Snow Queen - Report Shout Today 01:53 AM
I am actually a lesbian, but I used to be straight kind of
DARK MASTER - Report Shout Today 01:53 AM
Since you said you had both girl and boyfriends.
Kitsu - Report Shout Today 01:53 AM
tuterals
Lemmy Koopa - Report Shout Today 01:53 AM
joel laughing
Lemmy Koopa - Report Shout Today 01:53 AM
and then make the voice acting just
DARK MASTER - Report Shout Today 01:53 AM
Snow, are you bisexual?

There are also some screenshots of the conversation here, and here. (Please ignore the fact that I NEVER check my received likes notifications. )

I think it's extremely clear given this records I've given here that no mod action could possibly have been warranted and that Kitsu conducted himself very poorly in that conversation.
 

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As someone who's had a lot of experience talking to DM in public and private, I know that sexuality is a topic that interests him from an academic standpoint.

Regardless of the topic at hand, DM expressed that he was willing to drop the conversation if it made someone uncomfortable. This fact alone makes a warning or an infraction completely unwarranted.

When Kitsu messaged DM to stop typing in colored text and continued to reply with an increasingly threatening tone to stop doing so, I told DM to report his behavior. Kitsu's admin rank does not mean he is above the rules.

Kitsu's statement that DM is the biggest troll to ever grace the site is also hypocritical since he himself was banned earlier this year for actually exploiting site features. Kitsu's response was clearly triggered by personal annoyance and frustration; this observation coupled with DM being willing to drop the conversation, is reason enough as to why this infraction should be reversed.
 

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Kitsu's statement that DM is the biggest troll to ever grace the site is also hypocritical since he himself was banned earlier this year for actually exploiting site features.

I'd say Kitsu is the ultimate hypocrite (Not an insult, just a straight-up fact.) since he's hacked this forum, devoted many videos to bashing it, and made dupe accounts to terrorize members while DM has done none of this. It's like a crackhead getting on someone's case for drinking a caffeinated product.
 
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I'm going to have to disagree with the infraction. I'm not familiar with the friction and history between you guys, but that specific conversation doesn't really strike me as trolling. Snow Queen didn't really show any discomfort with the conversation. To me it seemed like a completely fine conversation - I've seen much worse and perverted comments made in the SB before that have been allowed.

If Snow Queen genuinely showed she was feeling awkward and DM continued to talk about her sexualaity then I think some sort of action should be taken. However, nothing of this sort happened and an infraction was given out. I wouldn't even say this example needed a warning, but that would have been the best action to take just in case.
 

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I'd say Kitsu is the ultimate hypocrite (Not an insult, just a straight-up fact.) since he's hacked this forum, devoted many videos to bashing it, and made dupe accounts to terrorize members while DM has done none of this. It's like a crackhead getting on someone's case for drinking a caffeinated product.

I think you mean Ventus. I don't recall Kit making dupes or *****y YouTube videos.
 

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I don't recall Kitsu making dupes or videos either, but I'm also not a ZD Historian so perhaps I'm wrong.
 

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I have to say I absolutely disagree with the infraction handed out to DM. Especially because DM is like ALIT said a person who is always willing to listen and when someone tells him to stop he does stop. I have talked to him a lot of times and he is far from a troll. I also believe things happening on skype should not be taken to ZD. Because someone acts differently on skype doesn't give us the right to judge this person because of this. A lot of people act different when they are with a group. I also know DM is not that much active or at least he hasn't been for a long time. If he did anything against the rules he should have been given a warning first and not an infraction right away. But I didn't see anything in DM his behavior that justifies this. So if this is the only reason I think it should be reversed.
 

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I have to say I absolutely disagree with the infraction handed out to DM. Especially because DM is like ALIT said a person who is always willing to listen and when someone tells him to stop he does stop. I have talked to him a lot of times and he is far from a troll. I also believe things happening on skype should not be taken to ZD. Because someone acts differently on skype doesn't give us the right to judge this person because of this. A lot of people act different when they are with a group. I also know DM is not that much active or at least he hasn't been for a long time. If he did anything against the rules he should have been given a warning first and not an infraction right away. But I didn't see anything in DM his behavior that justifies this. So if this is the only reason I think it should be reversed.

Dark Master has become more and more active as of late, and I have firsthand experience that he in fact has not changed his ways, in fact he continues to troll members and disobey the rules. Now you have a witness to this.
 

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Dark Master has become more and more active as of late, and I have firsthand experience that he in fact has not changed his ways, in fact he continues to troll members and disobey the rules. Now you have a witness to this.
If he trolls and does things against the rules it should be reported. Kitsu should me more specific. And there has no warnings been handed out so there should have been a warning if he did anything against the rules. From what I have seen/read there is not enough evidence to justify this infraction. If I have missed something - I haven't been active for a while- then it should be shown and not just words from one member to another.
 

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If he trolls and does things against the rules it should be reported. Kitsu should me more specific. And there has no warnings been handed out so there should have been a warning if he did anything against the rules. From what I have seen/read there is not enough evidence to justify this infraction. If I have missed something - I haven't been active for a while- then it should be shown and not just words from one member to another.

Kitsu did give Dark Master a warning regarding the purple text, but otherwise I think we are beyond warnings with him. This has been going on for a long time, and he has a mountain of infractions. It is clear that warnings are not enough to stop him from breaking the rules. Kitsu did his job correctly not because of some grudge, but because he is genuinely concerned with the safety of the users. Dark Master is a threat to the safety of the people here, therefore he is being punished. I fail to see how Kitsu's actions are not justified.
 
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