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I think what dizzy was saying was that we shouldn't determine the value of someone's life by their race, which is something I'm sure everyone can agree with. Its not really what black lives matter is about though.
 

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Serious question to you all.

You all believe in the BLM movement. Fair enough. How can black lives matter when the black people kill each other so much?
Source = satistics I shared above.
Stastically a black person is more likely to be killed by another black person than by any other race of person.

Will there be more riots when black people kill each other? You know black lives matter as you all say.
I think that the value of a person is something intrinsic to them being alive. The fact that some black people are murderers doesn't mean that all black people's lives have no value. Why would you even ask that?

edit: and again the reason people are rioting is because police, the people who are supposed to protect us, keep killing innocent people who aren't resisting, and then getting off scott free, and nothing seems to be changing to stop it from happening again. Why would they riot because some black person somewhere was murdered by someone?
 

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That's not what colorblindness means, it's saying race should not be a relevant feature of our society. People shouldn't be killed or put in special positions because of race. It is good to celebrate different cultures and their struggles but race ultimately shouldn't be any more important as hair color, orientation or sex.
I agree that nobody should be treated differently because of their race, but color blindness as an ideology blatantly ignores racism that does exist. For centuries, black people have been oppressed and silenced. By just becoming color blind, it does nothing to help black communities heal. I also think its often used to ignore that racism and discrimination is still very much present in America because color blindness is usually a personal value and does nothing to actively fight against racism.

You all believe in the BLM movement. Fair enough. How can black lives matter when the black people kill each other so much?
Source = satistics I shared above.
Stastically a black person is more likely to be killed by another black person than by any other race of person.
No black person killed another black person because they are black though. BLM is not a movement to end all black murders, people get killed for a variety of reasons. But there are so many instances where police and people in general use unnecessary force against black people that result in their deaths solely because they are black. BLM is calling for justice for those lives lost because people don't value black lives.
 

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That's not what colorblindness means, it's saying race should not be a relevant feature of our society. People shouldn't be killed or put in special positions because of race. It is good to celebrate different cultures and their struggles but race ultimately shouldn't be any more important as hair color, orientation or sex.
Race should be relevant though. Claiming colorblindness minimizes the existence of systemic oppression. It implies that the value of their race doesn't exist. It's also flat out abelist as a term. The sentiment behind being "color-blind" can be well intentioned, but it breeds and implies a bad mentality.

Serious question to you all.

You all believe in the BLM movement. Fair enough. How can black lives matter when the black people kill each other so much?
Source = satistics I shared above.
Stastically a black person is more likely to be killed by another black person than by any other race of person.

Will there be more riots when black people kill each other? You know black lives matter as you all say.

PS. I'm not downplaying any of this, it's all a tragedy. I'm just asking why this issue is not prioritised more by the BLM movement.
How do you somehow equate this? Fighting injustice isn't the same as fighting murder. You're conflating the idea that black people are killed by black people more than white people with racial injustice. Just because one group does it more doesn't mean racial injustice doesn't exist or should be ignored.
 

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PS. I'm not downplaying any of this, it's all a tragedy. I'm just asking why this issue is not prioritised more by the BLM movement.
because not every group can prioritize every issue, is the short answer. No matter what cause you're championing, you could always arguably be championing a better cause.
 

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I’m just going to say, I don’t know everything that’s going on, I don’t really listen to the news that much, but nobody deserves to be made fun of. Black lives matter, white lives matter, everyone’s lives matter! We’re all people, we all have feelings and emotions and lives. You wouldn’t want to be made fun of, so don’t make fun of others. Don’t hurt others. Love others, treat them kindly, treat them as you would yourself.

I am glad ZD is against racism, nothing good comes from it. Just love everyone. ❤
 

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This is my opinion summarised in one single tweet.
That is what Black Lives Matter is all about.

Will there be more riots when black people kill each other? You know black lives matter as you all say.
Murder is murder, these protests are not about x on x crime, it’s about the systemic racism that the black community faces on a daily basis on all levels, their whole lives.

The second part of your statement just sounds condescending and goes against what you said about downplaying this.

Just love everyone.
Preach!
 

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The reality of the situation is that all lives DO matter, but in our current society some lives matter more than others - different imprisonment rates for similar crimes, different wages for the same jobs, discrimination in the courts and by law enforcement, discrimination at banks and in neighborhoods and parks. And this isn't just about African American communities, it's about minorities, it's about women, it's about the people who are poor because no matter what they do their situation forces them to remain so, like living paycheck to paycheck in homes they don't own with 0$ in savings and a mountain of credit card debt. To achieve equality, we need to bring ALL lives to equality, which means (for a while at least) bringing additional consideration to minorities or the otherwise disadvantaged. Black Lives Matter is about bringing reparations to the disadvantaged, and their choice of name for the movement may have been less than perfect, but their message is sound. We need change.
 
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I really do wish they had called the movement something other than "Black Lives Matter", because the name invites people to dismiss it by saying "Well, don't ALL lives matter?", which is giving people more ammunition than they need.

The reality of the situation is that all lives DO matter, but in our current society some lives matter more than others - different imprisonment rates for similar crimes, different wages for the same jobs, discrimination in the courts and by law enforcement, discrimination at banks and in neighborhoods and parks. And this isn't just about African American communities, it's about minorities, it's about women, it's about the people who are poor because no matter what they do their situation forces them to remain so, like living paycheck to paycheck in homes they don't own with 0$ in savings and a mountain of credit card debt. To achieve equality, we need to bring ALL lives to equality, which means (for a while at least) bringing additional consideration to minorities or the otherwise disadvantaged. Black Lives Matter is about bringing reparations to the disadvantaged, and their choice of name for the movement may have been less than perfect, but their message is sound. We need change.
The reason it's called BLM is because that's what the movement is about. I get what you're trying to say, but you're essentially "all lives matter"ing the issue by saying this. Police brutality disproportionatly affects black Americans more than any other group. Yes there are other affected groups, but there are also other movements for them. One movement doesn't have to cover every single injustice. Nothing would get done that way.

BLM is about calling attention to police brutality and the statistics at which black Americans face police brutality. It's a call to get people to recognize what the system is both forgetting and ignoring; the fact that black lives matter. The name is just fine. Changing the name would not change the response to it. People would still "all lives matter" it no matter what it was called. That's how the system works.
 
I think the most important part of the message posted is to donate in support of the George Floyd family as well as the city of Minneapolis. We need to do everything we can to support those who are suffering and whose city is burning. There are a lot of people whose livelihoods and the stores they shop at for groceries and other essentials have been hurt. Let's not lose ourselves in the discussion of whether or not people here support BLM. I also believe in supporting and donating to the good police officers who carry out their jobs dutifully. Those cops who respect the right to protest and don't kill unarmed civilians should be respected.
 

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Cops have shown how ****ty they are throughout all of this, and it's disgusting.

Say what you will about protestors, but they aren't all rioting and looting like how they're getting demonized to be, and when it is, it's largely corporate businesses that have lobbying power within the government, or government buildings, because when your voice isn't being heard, you hit their wallets. This isn't new, this is old stuff, and when it comes down to it, you can take the worst of the "protestors" and compare it to the worst of the cops. Cops are going undercover to entice rioting, cops are destroying property to frame rioters and get reactions, cops are literally laying bricks out to encourage protestors to damage property, cops are using excessive force along with committing several war crimes on the people they're sworn to protect (attacking the press and medical staff, destroying medical supplies and water, etc.), they're blocking in protestors so that they can enforce their curfew laws and proceed to beat and arrest those who are out who couldn't have even gotten home in the first place; they're pulling people out of their vehicles and pepper spraying them, then arresting them, and, to top it off, towing their cars away; they're attacking innocent bystanders who are not involved in protests, they're spraying literal children, there's been instances of black store owners calling police to prevent looting and then they end up getting arrested.

The list can go on and on, but what is the big difference here? The BLM movement is largely an idea without a centralized hub that is commanding orders, where as the cops are behaving in the same disgusting ways all across the country which that means they are being ordered to behave this way. They are being told to attack community members and citizens, to frame your fellow man that they're supposed to protect, but when it comes down to it, they're not here to protect, they're here to protect business and profit. That's it.

People want accountability, if a cop kills a person with excessive force, hold him accountable. If that cop had several complaints of excessive force, don't make it the standard for police chiefs to protect them; instead, get people who can do the job right. Stop doing this **** where after a human is killed, going through their past to paint them a criminal (the porn stuff with Floyd is laughable and so obvious); in that moment, they aren't. Due process is a constitutional right. Stop lying for murderers, get them out of their position of power, and find someone else to do it. It's not that hard of a concept. People have been trying for ages to get this stuff addressed peacefully, but when it's done, it's not done "correctly." It's sickening.

Most of this is all from my personal experience, being within Columbus during all of this, and it's not even remotely subtle. They don't care about you right now, they are suppressing voice and news, they want another blind eye to this, they want you to be tired of hearing this, they want this to go away to go back to the status quo. Accountability should not be this hard to ask for. Safety should not be this hard to ask for.
 
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I think we’re focusing on the wrong thing here. I don’t think racism is the problem here. Don’t get me wrong it is a problem, but it’s most likely not the problem that caused Me.Floyds death. There is very little evidence of racism being the motivation behind the officers crimes. He had complaints against him, but they were about 50:50 in terms of the targeted demographic. Even if it was racially motivated, that doesn’t necessarily mean that the system is inherently racist. Of course there are a few bad apples but the amount of white people that are killed by cops is closer to the amount of black people killed by cops than people care to admit.

I’m all for the peaceful protests, in fact I’m happy that they are willing to stand up for what they believe in, but unfortunately I believe they’re not seeing the bigger picture. The problem isn’t racism, it’s police brutality in general.

So while I appreciate BLM, and I don’t think what they’re doing is wrong, I don’t necessarily support them either.

The violent protesters are the scum of the earth though and IMO even worse than the cop.
 

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Black Lives Matter is an extremely important movement that is needed to address the obvious and significant inequalities that black people face. Saying "All Lives Matter" in response to this movement or suggesting that all racism be tackled exactly the same way is ignoring the nuance of the situation and the fact that black people have been systemically oppressed for centuries. The residual impacts of slavery and previous racism laws are very much alive even now that racism may be technically illegal on paper (in the US as the primary example I am referring to here). Only saying "everyone should be treated equally" simply is not enough to erase the ongoing impacts of centuries of oppression, people need to better understand why and how we got to this point to have any chance of working toward a society in which people are truely treated equally. A very significant proportion of racism is not even intentional but is automated reactions and deep-rooted ways of thinking in our minds that have been ingrained from growing up in a society where everyone has historically and thus also currently not been treated equally.

Unintentional bias is perhaps going be the toughest part of racism to tackle going forward as much of society need to un-learn the racism that has been planted in their minds. But at this point, it is still painfully clear that intentional racism is still very much also alive and well too. Ignoring this by saying things like "everyone should be treated equally and we shouldn't focus on racism faced by only one race when other types of racism also exist" is never going to solve the issue.

Think equity vs equality here. If you give equality to the idea of discussing racism and say you should discuss all equally, you ignore the fact that black people face much more racism than groups such as white people do. Racism against black people is much more extensive and severe, so more time and resources are needed to topple it.

I'm glad that ZD is speaking out in support of the movement.

 
@Shroom I don't think you can generalize the actions of all cops from the actions of those who are physically assaulting and spraying protestors. That said, you do bring up a good point about the business of arrest and I hope this can get more people thinking about the mass incarceration we see in the United States and put a gradual end to the prison-industrial complex. Modern day prisons exploit prisoners as slaves.

I think we need to enforce a policy across the country where cops are let go after a certain number of complaints. The fact that the cop who killed George Floyd had 18 prior complaints against him is unacceptable. I'm not sure if a zero tolerance or three strike policy would be the better option but repeated complaints against a cop need to result in their firing.

As for the damage to property, it doesn't matter if the stores are local or if they're owned by multi-million dollar companies. Yes, the buildings will be repaired eventually, but there will be people who suffer for weeks or even months because they cannot get groceries or other essentials from the stores they usually go to. Not only that, but the people who work in these stores will now be out of work.
 

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