Spoiler Why Must There Be a Split Time-line?

[TheGermanLegend]

Link had the Triforce-Symbol on his hand in the OoT endig scene. Which means he had the ToC at this point. If he had the ToC it is very likely Zelda also got the ToW. I'm sure they went to her father and showed him their hands. This should have convinced him.
And if Link had the ToC and Zelda the ToW it can be said for sure Ganon got his ToP too. The only question left is, who touched the triforce??? I saw a very good theory about this at youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XyvbPehiqAo

 

[JuicieJ]

I am simply disregarding Nintendo's split timeline theory because obviously I can't make a linear timeline theory if I do listen to it.

That's just running away from facts.

How would I theorize about a Linear timeline if I'm basing certain knowledge of a split timeline.

You can look at things from different perspectives, you know?

I believe I can logically prove a linear theory even if it isn't what is meant by Nintendo.

Ok... That doesn't make any sense at all.

Split-Timeline obviously uses unproven assumptions as well to reconcile contradictions like you said about the Ancient sages being around and then killed.

What "unproven assumptions?" You didn't name any.

Returned child Link couldn't warn Hyrule about Ganondorf because who would believe him.

Umm...actually, I'm pretty sure he would. And, if that is the case, how did nothing happen to Hyrule with Ganondorf when he returned to his own time?

Child Link simply lived through this time so he didn't miss seven years of his life sleeping in the temple. I guess there would be two child Link's running around at that point in time but that's the risk of time travel .

Yeah. Link left the time in which Ganondorf had taken over behind when he returned to his original time. In the process, the time period he left behind stayed in existance. The Door of Time separated the two time periods. And, um...I'm pretty sure there wasn't more than one Link in the same area. That just doesn't make sense. At all. There is nothing that suggests that. Not even a slight hint.

But all the events occured exactly the same. Therefore Ganondorf did have the ToP when he was sealed. Then when he broke out in TP he obviously would still have it.

I used to think that either Ganondorf broke out into both timelines when he escaped and that the Ganondorf in the "child timeline" just died, or that that same Ganondorf was sealed along with the Ganondorf 7 years in the future, or something (which that didn't make much sense), and that when he escaped, the Triforce broke and went to Link and Zelda (that's a rough explanation, very rough, just...ignore that, basically). But, I've outgrown that. It seems most likely that Ganondorf was stopped before he came to power, fled Hyrule, and just did his own thing, as was mentioned by the Sages in Twilight Princess. At some point (maybe seven years later?), the Triforce broke on its own, which would be the "divine prank of the gods." Then Ganondorf was captured by the Sages, as he was blinded by his power, and executed. But the Triforce of Power brought him back to life. And we know the story from there. That's all just heresay, but it's the most likely explanation.

Also, the gods would randomly play a "trick" and give Ganondorf the Triforce of power for no reason? The man who would wreak havoc on their precious creation and Hyrule. Yeah, how much sense does that make.

I've said that kind of thing with people saying there's multiple Ganons (as in reincarnation). Therefore I see what you're saying there. But that's negated by what I said earlier. (Just above this.)

Link had the Triforce-Symbol on his hand in the OoT endig scene.

He did? Huh. Well, then, that would have been a good reason to attempt to stop Ganondorf. Kinda takes down what I said, but it's all the same result!

 

[myperuba]

haha JuicieJ your logic baffles me.

and one of the assumptions I didn't list is actually in the quote you copied. unless there is something I don't know about that proves the ancient sages were around at the beginning of OoT.

 

[JuicieJ]

haha JuicieJ your logic baffles me.

................*chuckles* Then you're hopless with Zelda logic. (And narrow-minded.)

 

[myperuba]

I'm basing my logic off of the logic of the real world. If you want me to throw that out and then try to understand Zelda logic I'm not sure I can, and I happen to know at least ten hardcore Zelda players who agree with my theory, so I guess everyone I know is crazy. But isn't that what they said about all the great thinkers in history...

 

[JuicieJ]

I'm basing my logic off of the logic of the real world. If you want me to throw that out and then try to understand Zelda logic I'm not sure I can, and I happen to know at least ten hardcore Zelda players who agree with my theory, so I guess everyone I know is crazy. But isn't that what they said about all the great thinkers in history...

Actually, my logic also comes from looking at it in a real-world perspective. If things don't have insanely hard facts, I don't go with them. I may consider some things possibilities, but if it's not backed up severely (or doesn't make clear enough sense to assume), I don't say it's true.

And, by the way, those ten fans are ten out of many. There's far more fans that believe in the split "timeline" because it's not a theory: it's true. It's what Nintendo itself says, and if Nintendo says it about their series, it's law. Why can't you understand that?

 

[425]

Hey, this is a bit off topic, but I just thought of an idea of how Ganondorf actually obtains the ToP in CT:

1) In AT, Ganon touches the Triforce, fragmenting it. He gets ToP, AT Zelda ToW, and Link ToC.
2) Link brings ToC to CT. It fragments in AT due to it's owner leaving that timeline.
3) IN CT, NOW SOMEOME HAS TOUCHED THE TRIFORCE: Link. He bypasses the traditional method. CT ToW and ToP must now inhabit the people in Hyrule most exhibiting these characteristics: Zelda and Ganondorf.

What do you think? Far-fetched, or a good explanation?

 

[Locke]

Wait, what do you mean. When he fused the Triforce of Courage back together and showed it to the gods, they granted it to him. It wasn't just a symbol, The Wind Waker Link actually did acquire the Triforce of Courage.

Right. I'm referring to the end of the game, after the Triforce becomes whole, grants Daphnes' wish and flies away. Link still has the ToC crest in some of the cutscenes after that, even though he obviously no longer possesses the actual ToC.

I wouldn't necessarily say it was given to him "during his execution." I would say he already had it. There's no real way to say, but I say him already having it makes more sense. Either way, though, the Triforce was split without someone touching it some time before Twilight Princess.

I can accept that.

Returned child Link couldn't warn Hyrule about Ganondorf because who would believe him.

Aonuma says "their [Link and Zelda's] relationship with Ganon takes a whole new direction." This implies that Link convinces Zelda not to follow through with her plan to gain access to the Triforce because he knows that's exactly what Ganondorf wants. Instead, some events followed - possibly involving Link using his knowledge he gained in the future to convince some important people (Hey Mr. Hyrule, I know all about what you're hiding in the ToT, I know about your daughter's special ocarina, I can even play the royal song if you want. Oh yeah, you're gonna die and Hyrule along with you if you don't listen to me) - and "It was decided that Ganon be executed because he'd do something outrageous if they left him be."

Child Link simply lived through this time so he didn't miss seven years of his life sleeping in the temple.

That's quite a strange ending to OoT then. "Thank you Link for saving us from this evil man's rule! Now I'm going to send you back so you have to suffer through it for seven years too!"

I guess there would be two child Link's running around at that point in time but that's the risk of time travel .

Two copies of one person running around in one timeline is just as complicated and makes as little sense as two timelines with one Link apiece.

accuses Ganondorf of the unthinkable with no proof

He is marked by the crest of the ToC and knows things he shouldn't.

Second, that the gods would give Ganondorf the ToP and allowing him to live and be destructive for absolutely no reason.

"Divine prank" can refer to the ToX itself, being a sacred object containing the power of the goddesses, but no sense of right or wrong.

Link had the Triforce-Symbol on his hand in the OoT endig scene. Which means he had the ToC at this point.

Not necessarily. As I said, AoL, OoX, and WW show that the crest doesn't always mean the bearer possesses the Triforce piece. But in this case, there isn't any reason to assume one way or the other, so he may as well have had it at this point (just the CT's version, not the one he left scattered on the AT).

and one of the assumptions I didn't list is actually in the quote you copied. unless there is something I don't know about that proves the ancient sages were around at the beginning of OoT.

They were commanded by the goddesses to protect the mirror since ancient times. It had been around long before OoT.

Hey, this is a bit off topic, but I just thought of an idea of how Ganondorf actually obtains the ToP in CT:

1) In AT, Ganon touches the Triforce, fragmenting it. He gets ToP, AT Zelda ToW, and Link ToC.
2) Link brings ToC to CT. It fragments in AT due to it's owner leaving that timeline.
3) IN CT, NOW SOMEOME HAS TOUCHED THE TRIFORCE: Link. He bypasses the traditional method. CT ToW and ToP must now inhabit the people in Hyrule most exhibiting these characteristics: Zelda and Ganondorf.

What do you think? Far-fetched, or a good explanation?

That's pretty much my theory. Link leaves the ToC on the AT but keeps the crest when he arrives in the CT. Since he had been chosen by the goddesses, the ToX splits on the CT as well.

 

[myperuba]

Anybody watch Lost? that's how I view time travel if that explains anything I've said further to anyone.

Again @Locke, both theories take equally as much conjecture and made up details and both can be logical and illogical at the same time. I know the Split-Time line is the official view, my final word is that my time-line also makes equally as much sense, and therefore equally as much nonsense, as the split time line. There are holes in both views. I just think my view could have been the official explanation but obviously Nintendo went a different route in their interpretation.

@425 I think your theory makes perfect sense if you adhere to split time-line.

 

[TheGermanLegend]

Not necessarily. As I said, AoL, OoX, and WW show that the crest doesn't always mean the bearer possesses the Triforce piece. But in this case, there isn't any reason to assume one way or the other, so he may as well have had it at this point (just the CT's version, not the one he left scattered on the AT).

But unlike OoX the Symbol shines. And we know only 3 occansions when it does this.
1)When there is somebody worth to get the ToC from the great palace(AoL)
2) When there are more than one Triforce near(OoT, before Ganon battle)
3) When some Triforce magic is used(TP, Ganon surviving the execution, Link becoming a wolf,...)

As I don't think the SZS has already happed at this point nor is there any triforce magic shown 1) and 3) are impossible, which leaves only 2). This mean not only Link but also Zelda has a Triforce piece at this moment

 

[Linkanon]

personally, i don't like to get into the timeline stuff that much anymore, but i totally aggree. why SHOULD there be a split timeline. but i CAN see where we might be wrong...

 

[Deniro]

about the king believing link or not regarding ganondorfs excecution, I think it's quite likely, seeing that link had the spiritual stones, the sage meddalions, the ocarina of time, the legendary goron hammer ++ in the end of oot

 

[JuicieJ]

Right. I'm referring to the end of the game, after the Triforce becomes whole, grants Daphnes' wish and flies away. Link still has the ToC crest in some of the cutscenes after that, even though he obviously no longer possesses the actual ToC.

Ohhhh, I gotcha. I misunderstood what you said, then.

That's quite a strange ending to OoT then. "Thank you Link for saving us from this evil man's rule! Now I'm going to send you back so you have to suffer through it for seven years too!"

I don't think that's what she meant.

"Divine prank" can refer to the ToX itself, being a sacred object containing the power of the goddesses, but no sense of right or wrong.

I'm not sure what you mean by this. (Not to say that I'm going to disagree with it.)

 

[Locke]

I'm not sure what you mean by this. (Not to say that I'm going to disagree with it.)

The goddesses may have had nothing to do with Ganondorf receiving the ToP. The sages had no idea how he got it. It could be that the Triforce itself is the prankster, unconsciously separating without knowing - or without caring about - the disastrous effects of Ganondorf receiving the ToP.

 

[JuicieJ]

The goddesses may have had nothing to do with Ganondorf receiving the ToP. The sages had no idea how he got it. It could be that the Triforce itself is the prankster, unconsciously separating without knowing - or without caring about - the disastrous effects of Ganondorf receiving the ToP.

Oh, ok. I guess that would be the same thing as it splitting on its own.