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Where does the Twinmould fight take place?

Discussion in 'Zelda Theory' started by Castle, Oct 5, 2018.

  1. Castle

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    So in Majora's Mask the Twinmould boss room is actually a small area of a seemingly vast desert that certainly isn't within Stone Tower Temple. There are various constructed and geological features off in the desert near by - towers and twisting spires and other interesting landmarks. The area of the fight itself is ringed by the fallen remains of stone pillars. But the desert is seemingly uninhabited. These structures are abandoned. Whoever or whatever built them appear to be gone.

    So just what is this place and how exactly does Link get there? Is it somewhere in Termina? Is it some other dimension? Is it some sort of illusionary magical construct of sorts? Could this desert have been where the Garo or the people of Ikana dwelt at some point? Is this perhaps the location of the unknown tribe that the Happy Mask Salesman said created Majora's Mask? Could it perhaps be linked to Hyrule by way of the Haunted Wasteland? Could it even be the Haunted Wasteland? If Termina is connected to Hyrule via the Lost Woods, could it also be possible that the two lands are connected by the desert?
     
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    Never thought about it, but that haunted wasteland thing is a cool and great idea and makes sense
     
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    Termina does what Termina wants
     
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    probably an illusionary place, like the dark link area in ocarina of time
     
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  5. Castle

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    If that's the case, why would such an illusion exist? Did someone create it? And why?
     
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    Well there is the theory that Stone Tower was kind of like the Tower of Babel. I assume the ancestors of the Terminians built Stone Tower. So the portal might lead to what was once Termina's Sacred Realm. My theory is they built Stone Tower with the intention to use the Triforce to kill the gods. They didn't succeed, the gods revoked their privilage of having a Triforce, and abandoned Termina all together.
     
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    That's an interesting theory, given the noticable lack of Triforce in Termina... except for its depiction on the pillars leading to none other than Ikana Canyon.

    This would also explain the lack of any deity in Termina except for the giants. Majora even may have been created to contest the gods, or to serve as a deity in their stead.

    But what does any of this have to do with the battleground where Link fights Twinmould?

    If we think of Stone Tower Temple as the Tower of Babel, and this area exists at one end, then given that the tower flips - which end is it on? The top or bottom?

    Mayhaps this place is the remains of Termina's sacred realm - or its closest counterpart, at least - all dried up and abandoned after the gods deprived Termina of its triforce and bounced?
     
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    To tack onto the Maskmans post about the Ikana tower being the tower of babel, when the tower complete the gateway to the heavens was inverted and so lead instead to hell, in this case we can see the similarity between where the Garo Master jumps down from and the gateway to Twinmolds room. Another theory also claims that the room where Twinmold resides is a pocket reality where Majora's Mask resided for some time before being claimed by the Happy Mask Salesman.

    Ikana itself has a whole undead warrior theme, which'd match with ancient beliefs that a dishonorable warrior wouldn't be able to enter heaven, and seeing as the ikanians seem to shun the light and gods and embrace darkness makes sense.

    Termina never seemed to worship the triforce in fact according to one theory (that self same tower of babel identicality theory) The Ikana tower was built as a blasphemy to the goddess' The original version depcited statues lick a triforce located on their rears showing disregard for it's power, the phallic statues that point to the sky and the obscene gesturing by the massive statue all point to Ikana having a beef with the gods, the gods then chose to turn the temple upside down with the power of light meaning any warrior who sought to climb it to fight them would instead descend into hell (SS did this better with the Ancient Cistern). We've been shown theres a sort of "spirit" plane in Termina via the realm we enter on obtaining a boss' remains or a mask from Mikau and Darmani, even the Moons interior is shown to be another plateau, so in that vein i think perhaps Twinmolds location is similar to Demise's a being of great power existed there and folded reality to suit it's need but when it left it withered until it had no purpose at which point it was appropriated by Skull Kid and the Mask.


    Side note, why has no one ever looked at Majora's Mask and considered that it was all a trial for link? To prove that once more he is the Hero? If we look at OOT Link he was blessed by the gods and given great power he descended to the depths of the earth and to the tops of the world (figuratively, in this case referring to the temple collosus and the tower of ganon's) and yet when he left Hyrule he was stripped of all that made him a hero, If we take termina to be a parralel of hyrule why is there no terminian link? WHy in fact is Skull kid the very some one who link once gave a mask to? Clearly some time has past for Skull kid to have forgotten him (or maybe terminian time is vastly different) But we see link scale mountains, enter poisonous swamps, go to the depths of the sea and even descend to a metaphorical hell, in the end he ascends to the heavens and fights what can be construed as a false god, he even can obtain a "divine" form one that seems similar to his adult self but vastly more powerful. Link could've given up the quest at any point but he saw the plight of termina and stepped up, he coulda just bailed once he freed epona but nope.

    Apologies if this seems long and "rambly"
     
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    I have to disagree with this, it seems events revolved around Link to a point where he couldn't leave. His fate literally became tied to Termina's and that is why he can manipulate time. The biggest confirmation of this is the fact that even if Link dies there is no traditional Game Over Screen, because Link can't die in this scenario. While in Termina Link is immortal. If Link let's the moon fall without resetting by means of the Song of Time, an automatic reset occurs anyway, resulting in Link ending up inside the Clock Tower rather than outside of it. When he walks outside his progress will only be up to where it was when he last successfully played the Song of Time, so it's as if the scenario of Link's failure is effectively prevented because it cannot be allowed.

    Besides those points, the pathway leading back to Hyrule was sealed off once Link entered the interior of the Clock Tower. It probably wasn't re-opened until after Link saved Termina.
     
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    It takes place in a portal that leads into a sort of underground area with illusions making it appear there is a sky, but there really isn’t.