Game Thread Trivia Mafia II - Day 1

[Ragnarokio]

Unvote, Vote: OG

I'm still fine with a jamie lynch today but i feel inclined to pressure OG in light of his lack of desire to share his thoughts. To my recollection OG is typically a more open player and while I can imagine his decision to not answer my question is genuinely motivated by his experiences in the game its also feasible that he has rolled scum and so is playing more paranoid than usual. A town jamie is probably also worth more than a town OG who is playing like this, which raises the EV of the lynch a bit.

 

[OGSniper]

It’s called withholding information and makes you look worse.

I am not withholding information. I am withholding my opinion.

It isn’t a mistake? It’s essentially asking who do you think is the most threatening to scum right now? Be that due to their role or due to their status in thread.

Ummm,....it is asking who would I kill if I was scum. Not who I think is scummy.

because you generated an ability

I didn't generate any ability. It was always there. I just was able to send it to someone by answering a question correctly. If that is generating something then okay. I don't see how.

Unvote, Vote: OG

I'm still fine with a jamie lynch today but i feel inclined to pressure OG in light of his lack of desire to share his thoughts. To my recollection OG is typically a more open player and while I can imagine his decision to not answer my question is genuinely motivated by his experiences in the game its also feasible that he has rolled scum and so is playing more paranoid than usual. A town jamie is probably also worth more than a town OG who is playing like this, which raises the EV of the lynch a bit.

There we go. I get voted on for not saying who I would have killed last night if I was scum. Lawd have mercy.

 

[JamieIsBored]

Unvote, Vote: OG

I'm still fine with a jamie lynch today but i feel inclined to pressure OG in light of his lack of desire to share his thoughts. To my recollection OG is typically a more open player and while I can imagine his decision to not answer my question is genuinely motivated by his experiences in the game its also feasible that he has rolled scum and so is playing more paranoid than usual. A town jamie is probably also worth more than a town OG who is playing like this, which raises the EV of the lynch a bit.

Read my mind with the vote now lol. I’ll join you.
Unvote
Vote: OG

Ummm,....it is asking who would I kill if I was scum. Not who I think is scummy.

Yeah, that’s what I was explaining. I think you misread my post lol.

@OGSniper I’m voting you because you aren’t providing any info, be that game-related or not. You’re looking too paranoid to me to be town, town should want to share their opinions, scum are the ones that refuse to answer any questions that could potentially make them look worse.

 

[Ragnarokio]

I am not withholding information. I am withholding my opinion.

There we go. I get voted on for not saying who I would have killed last night if I was scum. Lawd have mercy.

Your opinion is important information. It helps people determine your alignment and can help determine other player's as well. These are both good things if you are town and bad things if you are scum, which is why hiding your opinion as much as possible is good as scum. Being afraid of sharing your thoughts for fear that it will make you look bad comes much more naturally from a scum mindset than a town one. You're being voted here for being afraid to share your opinions, which I don't think is unreasonable.

Its true that town players are sometimes mislynched for sharing unpopular opinions, but i don't think the kind of question i asked should make you afraid in the way that it did, and if you actually are town i don't think its good to prioritize self-pres to the point where you're unwilling to answer questions like that. (not to mention counterproductive, since it just makes you look worse than simply answering the question would)

 

[OGSniper]

Yeah, that’s what I was explaining. I think you misread my post lol.

@OGSniper I’m voting you because you aren’t providing any info, be that game-related or not. You’re looking too paranoid to me to be town, town should want to share their opinions, scum are the ones that refuse to answer any questions that could potentially make them look worse.

Oops, you are correct. I did read it wrong. My apologies.

I am being asked who would I kill if I was Mafia. Now if I was asked what my opinions are in certain people, events, or flips that happened, then I will happily reply. I still do not intend on answering that question.

Your opinion is important information. It helps people determine your alignment and can help determine other player's as well. These are both good things if you are town and bad things if you are scum, which is why hiding your opinion as much as possible is good as scum. Being afraid of sharing your thoughts for fear that it will make you look bad comes much more naturally from a scum mindset than a town one. You're being voted here for being afraid to share your opinions, which I don't think is unreasonable.

Its true that town players are sometimes mislynched for sharing unpopular opinions, but i don't think the kind of question i asked should make you afraid in the way that it did, and if you actually are town i don't think its good to prioritize self-pres to the point where you're unwilling to answer questions like that. (not to mention counterproductive, since it just makes you look worse than simply answering the question would)

As stated above, I don't find that my opinion on that certain question is useful. Ask me any other normal usual questions and I will answer. I don't need people taking that info and using it against also while I don't need people to add that to my meta. The question is highly unusual to the point that I don't know why it was asked to begin with.

 

[Ragnarokio]

there are two reasons why i'm asking it

one is that it helps me understand you better. either you answer honestly and i gain insight into how you think, allowing me to better read you and form opinions on the game based on that, or you lie and risk getting caught. I generally find it to be a useful question as it puts scum in an uncomfortable position compared to town who can answer honestly with less risk, and when scum are uncomfortable they make mistakes.

two is that HHH was probably the hit last night, and there is at least one player (jamie) who expressed that they felt HHH was the optimal target for mafia. HHH seemingly felt similarly, but its unlikely he hit himself, so he can be discounted. If no other players express that they would have killed HHH last night, that means that either jamie is likely scum, or one of the players lied about who they would kill, which is ideally helps in eventually exposing them.

 

[HangryHangryHippo]

@OGSniper who do you think is the biggest threat to the mafia currently?

 

[OGSniper]

If one was to believe to be true what me and Darth have been talking about, it would seem to be us two who are more likely to be knocked off. There isn't really anything in anyone else.

 

[Mellow Ezlo]

~Vote Count 2.2~

OGSniper - Ragnarokio, JamieIsBored (2)
Not Voting - OGSniper, DarthCreeper10, HangryHangryHippo, lain, Rocinante

4 votes are majority. Day two ends November 11, 11:59PM MST (11 1/2 hours).

 

[Rocinante]

I am not withholding information. I am withholding my opinion.

lol

time to play the time honored tradition of village idiot or scum

anyways we got a de-facto IC and an extra lynch so i am very very tempted to slot my vote on OG u
irregardless of the traditional game but putting them at L-1 isn’t my style.

time to dig through their ISO

 

[lain]

Why?

cause I haven't played a game with them before so they'll probably do unexpected things and they seem experienced and serious about the game. although they haven't posted much today so i might have changed my mind by now if i were scum idk. this game is also kinda weird cause you can't see alignment so i maybe would just choose based on who was voting / raising suspicions on who.

 

[lain]

I did goof up with saying it would being people back from the dead, but to tell the truth...... I don't even know what it does. I sent it, saw that you came back from the dead, and assumed that that event happened because I sent it.

i dont really like this walking back on things and the way it's worded feels a bit intentional, idk though. this ", but to tell the truth...... I don't even know what it does".

two is that HHH was probably the hit last night, and there is at least one player (jamie) who expressed that they felt HHH was the optimal target for mafia. HHH seemingly felt similarly, but its unlikely he hit himself, so he can be discounted. If no other players express that they would have killed HHH last night, that means that either jamie is likely scum, or one of the players lied about who they would kill, which is ideally helps in eventually exposing them.

its possible someone could kill them because jamie said that. since this game itself could affect who people kill i don't think it's necessarily that black and white. actually maybe i'll change my answer to someone who someone else says they'd kill . or someone who no one would kill? idk which is better.

 

[lain]

anyway i'm fine voting ogs for now

Vote: OGS

 

[lain]

although idk if they'd be this paranoid if they were scum tbh, from the games i've played with them before. i dont think its a good enough reason to not vote them rn though.

 

[OGSniper]

Welp, looks like it is going to be me again because I did something odd-ball again. Classic.