- Sep 6, 2017
What I don't understand here, despite your consideration, is why knowing Naga's role weighs my alignment heavily towards scum for you (vs knowing the other roles like you pointed out initially when constructing that idea that I may be scum). Like, yes, you know Naga's role. How does that convey, to you, that I must be scum? Him being a jailer, that jailed you, has what direct connection to me? Outside of him voting me, what else is there? Both Minish and Killjoy voted me and died as town, yet, in further fleshing out the why, it's Naga that you focus on.
The major thing here is the disconnect between knowing Naga's role and how that relates to me enough for you to consider me scum over it despite how the votes fell.
I wonder, did it take you this long to come up with something reasonable that you feel would be digestible?
It's not that Naga's role necessarily relates directly to you, it's that both having that information and hearing the initial logic out of Kirino made me view it in a different way, that way being "assuming Naga is town (which I had been leaning after the night), then that makes 3/4 votes on KoD town; I see him pushing towards Rubik or Naga very definitively -> knowing what I know about Naga I can understand the push if Rubik is scum, and I might be willing to believe it, but if Rubik is town, the whole "Rubik or Naga MUST be scum" seems overreactive in a way similar to a bad OMGUS, which rubs me the wrong way."
If that way is incomplete logic, then so be it, people make mistakes. We know it to be incomplete because I did not factor in the fact that you had NOT voted to save yourself: to be brutally honest, this is because I thought you HAD voted Deku for some reason; it was 2:30AM and I was exhausted, shoot me. I don't like to give excuses in Mafia, but here we are.
And yeah, it is taking me a long time to respond to your posts, because as much as I hate the way you post and the language you use, I do find myself thinking "wait, no, he's right" more often than not. It's frustrating because every time I come into the thread I have yet another wall to respond to, rather than spending my time actually doing something useful, like, ISOing Chevy and Fig for example. I have not voted yet this phase for that reason.
I disagree that I'm reading too much into it. After all, evaluating the votes should have easily rendered unto you that I had not saved myself not to mention my own post stating as such. In your first outlook over that, when assessing the wagons, you, per your words, missed that I could have saved myself. That's notable given that when you were crafting the possibility that I could be scum you took pain to address how scum were maybe tied up and didn't want to save me if that meant having to switch from Deku over to me. Despite that scenario, you settle for one where at least one scum was on Deku leaving the other to either be on Deku as well (per your original theory of possibility) or, since you said at least one, the other was off in the wind. If the latter is the case, then why leave it up to chance to let scum!me get randed vs just saving me?
More stuff about not noticing you hadn't voted Deku. I will stick to my embarrassing conviction above for that. No, it makes no sense for you or the scum team to let a random elim potentially elim a scum player. For what it's worth, it is D1 and there is still a long game to go, so the risk might be worth it, but that's besides the point, as your actions or lack thereof in this case then prove.
But there's something else in the details there. After all, I'm still alive, right? Thus far both you and Funnygirl have commented on the fact that I am not dead despite being the counter wagon. Normally, I'd factor that into the more obvious camp of, well yeah, why kill me if they can use me as a mislynch, right? Yet wrt to you, Cap, you made it plain that you overlooked the fact that I could have saved myself. All while making the subtle case for why I may be scum since, you know, two town were killed that were on me and knowing the roles of those on me D1.
You know what that looks like? That looks like you aiming for a mislynch. If it wasn't for the fact that your initial argument/proposition missed out on the fact that I could have saved myself which, by your own assertion, lends to my towniness, then you'd probably be well on the way to getting others to agree with you. *Looks at Ex.* Fact is, though, that it is hard to reconcile a scum!me in lieu of my actions wrt to not utilizing my own vote to save myself were I scum. And without being able to reconcile that, you're left with the glaring reality that I am likely town which, then, makes it harder to push sus in my direction for a possible mislynch.
I'm not trying to mislynch you, dude, nor was I at the beginning of the phase. I would have voted you by now if that was the case. I was simply trying to reason with the information that was given, in addition to what I had read about the phase up to that point. Had I realized you could have saved yourself, the case falls flat regardless, as you've so kindly pointed out, so I probably wouldn't have made the point to begin with in a perfect world.
Aight great, we can move on.What more do I want you to say? Nothing, unless it is your death cries. I -- want you lynched.
It took me harping to get you to explicitly state what you have thus far. At least you're not trying to appease me with compliments or anything. It never works.
We'll see how others react to you though.