Theory About Oocca and the Creation of the Hylians

[trainofthought]

I'm sorry to disagree, but I truly think it isn't either of these. An interview already stated it was pieces of Hyrule broken off, and Link has to reattach them. So at the end of the game there will be no Skyloft left. It will be a part of Hyrule again.

I don't think I've read that interview, or perhaps I forgot (!). You're probably right, but I still think the idea would be neat! In my head I can already see imaginary cutscenes of how they use their magic to create the hero whom will vanquish the evil from the land below from fragments of clouds or something to that effect. It sounds kinda corny when I read it myself

I just thought it was a cool idea to think Link would be the first hylian considering what we get from TP

 

[Djinn]

I haven't got an arsenal of quotes, but I just wanna say that I think that whoever else (other than Link) lives in Skyloft are heavily related to the Oocca and the Wind Tribe. Since we are basically agreed that SS is the first in the timeline, I would put it thusly:

1. Pieces of Hyrule break off and form Skyloft. SS happens.
2. Those pieces are restored, or not. Maybe only some of them are restored. Maybe they all are restored to terra firma, but the people who lived there liked being in the sky.
3. Either some people stayed in the sky, or some people return to the sky after some time passes. These would be the Wind Tribe from MC.
4. If you've played MC, you'll know that the people of the Wind Tribe still looked basically just like the rest of the Hylians, but they did have some differences. You could tell just from looking that a person was from the WT. In other words, they were becoming different from the other Hylians.

I do not think the Wind Tribe could be related to Skyloft though. Their history given in Minish Cap stated that they moved into the cloud tops after living in the Fortress of Winds.

"The people who built the Wind Ruins. They now live above the clouds, suspended by their own magic ability to control the wind.

The Wind Tribe knew of the people of Hyrule and was in contact with the Royal Family. They moved to the cloud tops recently in their history which means that they are most likely not the peple of Skyloft.

5. Centuries or millenia have passed, and the Wind Tribe has (somehow, lol) "evolved" into the Oocca. They still have human-like faces, but have developed wings (maybe they used Roc's Capes for a while and eventually just were born with one?). They now live in the ruins of Skyloft. Alternately, if all the broken off pieces were restored at the end of SS, they also developed the technology to build their own island in the sky (possibly more likely, considering how the Wind Tribe lived and built in MC).

This ignores what Shad said about the Oocca creating Hyrule. His statement could be explained by pointing out just how many centuries or millenia we are talking about here. Facts get distorted and/or lost in that time. I would personally say that Shad would have been more accurate to say that "the Oocca are descended from people who were around when Hyrule was first formed."

Wind Waker really started something with the concept that random tribes of Hyrule could, in an incredibly short period of time, "evolve" into something totally unrelated the their original shape without reason. I see little evidence to believe that the Oocca were anything other than birds. Their very limited knowledge of the city they live in, as well as the fact that they are not even adapted to live in an environment that they can not maintain, repair or have built in the first place show me that they are just as much invaders there as Link was. The structure was in ruin and the oocca had no ability to return to the city without Hylian help. Or even grasp the Dominion Rod since they have no hands or are large enough to even hold it up.

It would make more sense to me if they were some sort of magical creation or pet project of the actual original creators of the City. And upon their disappearance the intelligent birds too their creator's name Oocca.

 

[Locke]

trainofthought, please use the search function before creating a new thread. There are plenty of other discussions on this topic. I've merged two of the more recent threads and moved them to the Theory section, as the general pattern of this thread is finding similarities between games, developer quotes, and other things that are used in discussing theories (not to mention your thread's name).

Am I crazy to think that Link in SS might be the first hylian ever existed? Maybe he was created by them to fight off the evil monsters lurking below the clouds. Tell me your thoughts on this theory!

Aonuma stated that he was raised as a normal inhabitant of Skyloft, so it probably wouldn't be anything that elaborate. But disregarding that Shad was mistranslated, it would still be ...possible. I prefer to think that Link is an Oocca and the Hylians already existed since Shad said the Oocca left Hyrule when the Hylians were created, and Link is only just discovering Hyrule in SS.

Now just what this entails is still a mystery. It could be that the Oocca created the landscape that the Hylians later developed into their country. Or it could have been the Oocca that built the ancient structures like the various temples and dungeons that are spread out all over the land. Maybe even Hyrule castle is an ancient structure of theirs. What we do know is that they are related to the Dominion Rod, and by extension most likely the owl statues found all over Hyrule.

This might also include a connection to the Temple of Time as the Dominion Rod was used heavily there as well. So it might be possible that the Oocca might have created or took a part in creating the Temple of time that houses the Door of time and the Master Sword.

You forgot about Rusl:

聖なる力で護られた森の奥深くに　悠久の時を眠る神殿があると言われている
It is said that deep in the bowels of the forest, guarded by a sacred power, there is a temple sleeping for all eternity.
Some say there is an ancient temple deep in the woods that guards a sacred power.

ハイリア人の祖先によって造られたその神殿には、今もなお古代の優れた文明が遺されているらしい
In that temple created by the ancestors of the Hylia people, the excelling culture of ancient times seems to be left even now.
The ancestors of the Hylians created the temple... Signs of their civilization--ancient, but very sophisticated--are everywhere.

Yes, the Oocca did build the ToT and perhaps a lot of other things as well. Rauru said they build the ToT to protect the entrance to the SR. The MS was built to protect the Triforce. They have similar functions and I think they will be closely related in SS (or at least implied that they'd be related shortly after SS ends).

I'm sorry to disagree, but I truly think it isn't either of these. An interview already stated it was pieces of Hyrule broken off, and Link has to reattach them. So at the end of the game there will be no Skyloft left. It will be a part of Hyrule again.

Yes, Aonuma said that Link will discover why the lands had been separated. However, no one said that they would be reunited. You can find the interview if you follow the SS resources link in my signature.

This ignores what Shad said about the Oocca creating Hyrule. His statement could be explained by pointing out just how many centuries or millenia we are talking about here. Facts get distorted and/or lost in that time. I would personally say that Shad would have been more accurate to say that "the Oocca are descended from people who were around when Hyrule was first formed."

If the people who created Hyrule went to live in Skyloft, then returned to Hyrule and became the Wind Tribe, then went back to the sky, then became the Oocca, then one could still say that the Oocca created Hyrule. Shad wouldn't have known enough about the history of the Oocca's 'evolutionary' chain to specify that they created Hyrule while they were in a different form.
But I still think that chain of events is too long and confusing, and doesn't have much support other than assumptions. For now, I'm only willing to say that the Oocca will be in SS. If I see evidence from playing the game that it's the Wind Tribe as well, then I'll incorporate them into the story.