Because I just got home from work and am feeling up to it, I'm gonna respond to everyone.
Hmm... I sort of get your point, but actually I think this game right now could be sort of about honor for JC. Even if he is neither with the Town nor with the Mafia, taking out Mfaia is always the most fun as a third party player. Besides, since he has been helping us majorly thus far I do not think he deserves to get lynched like this. If our Vigilante prefers to kill him tonight, then go right ahead, but I would not like to waste one of our lynches on him. At least not this early on. Thinking about it, the Mafia has lost a lot thanks to JC. They must be furious with him right now, while (as I said before) the Town has been greatly assisted by him. I am sure the Mafia would be quite keen on having JC killed. They will probably attempt to night kill him tonight, or (of course this is also a highly likely scenario) they will attempt to lead a lynch against him today.
I'm glad you get my point. Why then are you voting for me? He has helped us. A lot. That doesn't mean we should trust him. He's not part of the Town, and no matter how much he says he wants to be, he isn't. Nor will he ever be. Also, it's not a waste of a lynch; in order to win, we have to get rid of him eventually. Why not do it now? At this point all JC has for us are his opinions and his thoughts. Before, he had facts. I had no problem trusting facts, but trusting opinions from a 3rd party player? Not gonna happen.
Also, if I were mafia, why would I want to take away a killing role from the game? Of the 15 players left only two are mafia. The odds of JC killing a Townie in the night are much greater than mafia, particularly because JC doesn't seem to be too sure of himself as to who the remaining scum are. If anything, mafia would act like yourself, Pendio, and try to convince everyone to wait for the Vigilante to kill him so that JC can get another kill in and more than likely take out Townie, whether intentionally or unintentionally.
Why would I help you guys lynch Poka, Kirino, and kill Deku if I was going to "stab" you in the back? That's incredibly faulty logic. There is no reason to stab Town in the back as I have no chance of winning.
As I said in my inital post, the fact that you have no chance of winning increases your chances of being a wild card. You have no reason to help us, and no reason to help the mafia. You already helped us, so why wouldn't you decide to shake the game up by killing a Townie in the night? I'm not saying you're going to do it. I'm saying you could
do it, and that's a risk that I'm not willing to take.
I chose to side with Town ever since Mafia RB'ed me and I've proven I'm helpful on three occasions now. You rejoin the game and immediately shake things up and, in a way, you're kind of messing things up by voting for me.
I'm messing things up for you, the Serial Killer
. Doesn't that make me more likely to be Town?
I can still help Town and you're oblivious to it--just like how Viral was. I'm willing to actually help out a lot today and your early vote seems to be somewhat of a "let's get him out before he does anymore damage" kind of thing, which is understandable if you're Scum.
What alignment was Viral again? I can't quite remember..... oh yeah, he was the Town Cop.
That's exactly what the vote is. I want to get you out of the way so that there isn't any chance that the flippin' Serial Killer doesn't turn on us. It's understandable for a Townie too, and you know it. Not my fault people have put too much faith into you.
I've already told the Vig to kill me to tomorrow if he/she wishes; killing me via lynch is the wrong way to go and is counterproductive. You can't come out with this trust issues BS either considering I've done way more than enough to warrant trust from the Townies.
Counterproductive to what? Winning the game? In case you didn't know, you're against the Town, meaning we have to get rid of you in order to win. If anything, it's counterproductive to keep you alive, Mr. Anti-Town. Sure, you may not be playing Anti-Town, but you are, and nothing will change that.
You have done enough to warrant trust. Which is exactly why I'm skeptical. Should I apologize for being too careful?
Fused, why aren't you willing to give JC a chance? As he pointed out, he assisted in the killing of 3 of the game's 5 mafia members, and has show himself to genuinely want to help out the town. I see where you're coming from, kinda, but I think he deserves to be given the benefit of the doubt. If he does indeed stab us in the back (which I doubt he will), then we can go ahead and lynch him; for now, though, I see no reason to get rid of him. The way he's playing is more like a vig, not a SK.
I'm not giving any Serial Killer the benefit of the doubt. I have no idea if he really wants to help the Town, or is just trying to survive a few more Days. Think about it this way: the final two mafia members are amongst us, which means they are trying to show that they want to help the Town. Just like JC. At the root, it's the same circumstance; anti-town players trying to fool the town. I don't want to take the chance of him taking out a Townie, and nor should you.
Justa's been more help than harm by far than anyone else in this game (myself included). He not only partook in lynching PokaLink, but helped pointed out that Draco was the Godfather and killed Deku Nut during the Night. Based on Draco's irritation, which was how he reacted similarly in past games, I seriously doubt that Justa could be bumping off his "fellow scum" while using the Serial Killer as a ploy. If that is the case, then where's the counterclaim? No, none of that adds up in my eyes. We'd be able to tell by the Night scenes if Justa was betraying us, and if that does happen then he should go, but not now.
Who said anything about JC not being the Serial Killer? I didn't. I think it's fairly obvious that JC is the SK. He's done plenty to prove it.
You're acting like JC is the Doctor or something. What Serial Killer in their right mind would counterclaim a Serial Killer claim? That'd be the most moronic thing to do. If anything, an SK would be excited that someone else claimed SK. Your post isn't making much sense at all to me, Thareous.
I take back my last post that seemed in agreement with fused. If JC leads a mislynch or kills a townie tonight, we can easily kill him tonight or lynch him tomorrow. As odds are, he has a better chance of winning with town. If he goes rogue he's digging his own grave. Let's hear him out.
Octo, I told you to preheat the oven to 400 degrees, not 180.
While I see the logic in fused's post, I do have to concede to the notion that JC doesn't seem to have anything to gain at this point. Since he has revealed himself, JC has put himself on the block, and is in a position in which he can be given the ax at a moment's notice. I do think keeping him alive for the time being may be our best bet, but I don't necessarily think any special privileges should be granted to him, such as a protection or what not.
Why is it our best bet? What more can he offer us other than his opinions, non-Town
opinions, may I add.