Vote: Toxic_Snowman
How ya doing buddy?
Vote: Johnny Sooshi
I'm doing pretty good, thanks for asking. And how are you, friend? ^^
Relatively well.
just had a long nap
Each of their first respective posts in the game are votes against each other. Possible connection? Maybe, maybe not. Worth keeping in mind for sure. If either of them flip scum, there's a pretty good chance the other also is, but it is also very possible that only one or neither of them are. But this is a good connection to come back to if one of them does flip scum.
Why does the RNG get to choose how we vote? I'm my own person. I can do what I want!
Unvote
Vote: RNG
Voodoo. The RNG is using black magic to influence the game. It wants me dead because I'm on to it.
Or maybe you two are both Mafia, and you're trying to cast suspicion off him. I'm on to you.
Nothing but fluff here. Not necessarily meaningless fluff, as there are some possible connections that can be drawn, but no logical conclusions that can be drawn at this point.
Interesting. Like some have brought up before me, I'm not sure why Minish_Link was chosen. Maybe because they weren't active early on, and would be a fairly inconspicuous night kill? I don't know, just a thought. They didn't really do much that would pose a threat to the Mafia.
This is literally his only post in the entire game with substance in it. Unfortunately, it is simply a restatement of what I, and some others, had previously said regarding the night kill. Although I can't help but think that the wording of this looks like it's coming from a Mafia member trying to sound oblivious. Maybe it's just me, but that's what it looks like with the way it's worded. I can definitely see this being a scum post.
I'm sorry I've been inactive. I suck, I know. I'll post something of substance soon, hopefully tomorrow if I have time to get on.
His latest post, which was 6 days ago. He hasn't been seen since. His inactivity is worrisome, but I'm not totally convinced it comes from Mafia. His play would make sense if he were mafia, but at the same time, I can see this behaviour coming from townies who just don't have a very cool role or just aren't overly interested. That being said, I do support the idea of lynching Toxic, but I think I will leave my vote off him for the time being.
So that's it for Toxic. Let's move on to Johnny Bravo now!
I think
@Moonstone was wondering because Mido already has 2 votes on him and tbis makes 3. Not having a reason seems rather beginner-ish, but it's also fair to suspect that a more experienced scum teammate could suggest this play as a way to get a more solid vote on Mido.
His first posts were fluff, and I already explained the possible connection to Toxic. This is his first post of substance, and I can't help but notice that it has a blatant factual inaccuracy in it. This post was made in response to Karu asking whether she should have explained her seemingly random vote on Mido, and he said that Mido had 2 votes on him, with Karu's increasing that number to 3. However, as I had removed my vote on Mido prior to her vote, he actually had only 1 vote on him when she placed hers. It's possible that he simply didn't notice my unvote and was just going off the latest vote count (which was posted before I removed my vote), or he also could have been trying to make Karu look worse by making it seem like she had done more damage than she did with her vote, since Johnny would, as scum, know Karu was town (or at least not mafia). The removal of my vote would be pretty easy to miss if you were made to believe that Mido did in fact have two votes on him, meaning it would be a pretty good way for mafia to twist the facts. However, it's very likely I'm reaching with that theory, since Mido did have 2 votes on him at the time of the latest vote count, so anybody could have missed my unvote. Not strong evidence, but certainly worth keeping in mind.
I've been looking things over and I have a few thoughts in general and a couple of budding suspicions.
First of all, we have a Watcher who died. The inclusion of a watcher in this game, coupled with the fact that it's role madness game is basically a tell of two things:
1) There is most likely a Tracker
2) There is most likely a Ninja on the mafia side.
These are very niche roles. The inclusion of a Watcher and/or Tracker without a Ninja would give the Town a larger advantage overall. Additionally Watchers tend to be a little less underpowered than Trackers. In general, It would make sense to assume the other two roles based on the first.
Analyzing the set up. I like that. And his analysis makes complete logical sense. Nothing really to say about this part of the post.
Now, my suspicions. I have two at the moment. Mido is definitely a good option because he did tip the lynch we had yesterday. However, if he was scum, it wouldn't make sense to then kill off the only other person on the wagon. Unless of course he wanted to throw more confusion into the mix. On the other end of the spectrum I have Moonstone who seems scummy if Mido is innocent. Of course pushing on false pretenses isn't scummy, but I personally feel as though the spectrum is polarized in this situation. I'm gonna try to look through a little more and see if I can figure anything else out.
Something doesn't sit right with me regarding this part of the post, however. This is the first time Johnny discussed the possibility of Moonstone being scum, way back during the beginning of Day 2. I don't really like how he said Moonstone would be scummy if Mido was lynched; first off, she hadn't voted for Mido and only said she was suspicious of him; second off, it was way too early in the day to be saying things like that, as discussion had literally just begun and nobody was even close to being lynched. And I mean, I was suspicious of Mido too. Would that make me seem scummy as well if Mido was town? Hell, Johnny himself even said Mido was suspicious. So it just doesn't make much sense to me to be suspicious of Moonstone just in case Mido is town when he himself was also suspicious of Mido to begin with, especially considering Moonstone was, already by that point, the most active and analytical player in the game. idk, I just feel like this post is coming from scum trying to be helpful.
Like I said, I personally think it'll be relatively polarized. That's just my opinion. I won't immediately hold it against you, but I'll definitely look into the situation harder if it happens.
Basically, he's saying "If this person you're suspicious of is town, then you're suspicious to me, even though I'm also suspicious of that person". As I said before, it makes very little sense.
I'm not completely convinced on lynching Doc. It does fit him M.O. as scum, but we did give others a shot at coming in to post. A push like this from Vergo and a quick flip by Moonstone (even if it's because of a promise made to Karu) feels like a subtle scum push to take down easy town. IGMEOY both
I'm not voting because I can't focus in enough right now to think through who I want. If I can manage to do that later then I'll try to vote before the deadline.
This was pointed out earlier (and gets addressed in Johnny's following post), but here Johnny stated that Moonstone suddenly flipped to vote for Doc without having been suspicious of him before. Not reading properly perhaps? Honestly looks like reaching to me.
Taking a look back through, you're right, I was mistaken. However, I'm still not less inclined to suspect you, nor will I be voting for Doc. We have about an hour left, I'm kinda hoping a few more like
@Toxic_Snowman and
@Doc will post.
Why not be less inclined to suspect Moonstone? By this post, it's still not totally clear where that suspicion came from, as Moonstone had been fairly consistent with her suspicions (and he even realized that he was wrong about her in his last post), but he refused to let it go.
Also
@Ver-go-a-go-go , if you suspect Doc, and feel he's scum, why not vote him?
Same could be asked to you in regards to Moonstone tbh. Trying to play it safe, perhaps? Trying to avoid leading a lynch on someone you know to be town, preferring instead to join it later so as not to be held responsible? (One may say this is invalid for me to say due to his later vote on Toxic, but I have a separate theory about that which I'll get to shortly).
Nah, Karu's posts seem like just little wording mistakes than actual newbie scum mistakes. I'm gonna go out on a limb and say I'm pretty sure Karu is town.
I agreed with this when I first saw it.
Defending someone I believe to be town is scummy?
Johnny said this after Moonstone pointed out that he was defensive of Karu (whom she believed to be scum). Defending someone you believe to be town is fine, but it could also be considered slightly suspect if someone else believes that person to be scummy. Moonstone's point was valid, if flawed, but unfortunately, that scenario is really more of a "x is scum if y is scum" situation than actual evidence.
That being said, though, I quite like what Karu said about Johnny around this time:
My other suspicion lies on Johnny actually, this is more a theory though. Minish_Link was a nightkill, and guess who voted for Johnny though it was in day 1? Minish did, again it's just a theory....A GAME THEORY, thanks for reading XD.
But in all seriousness, Johnny, as Moonstone mentioned, is defending me after he being inactive for a while. This would make it seem as if, me being the newbie, we were both mafia; since I already have a lot of people being suspicious of me, this would raise more suspicion on me and some on him but not as much as I would already have making it an easy kill for the Mafia.
Defending me even if I am a newbie, at this point in the game, would raise a lot of suspicion towards the person defending me and myself, and make it seem as if it was mafia defending mafia; the end results would be more votes on me and a lynching. So I'm on to you Johnny boy, Johnny Test, Johnny John John, her's Johnny, other media references with the name Johnny; Johnny Cena!!!
The first part doesn't mean anything, but the second and third paragraphs have something to be said about them. I feel like Karu may have been onto something with this. It would actually be an extremely clever and somewhat unexpected mafia strategy to defend someone who is a newbie like that because, like she said here, it makes her look even more suspicious because Johnny, having already had a bit of suspicion placed on him by this time, might have known that defending a newbie townie would make it look like scum defending scum (I believe Johnny is smart enough to not make such a blatant scum-defending-scum if Karu actually was scum), making Karu look even more suspicious, if also at the expense of making Johnny himself look more suspicious as well, but gaining him some town cred when Karu is lynched and actually does flip town. Would take a lot of complex thinking, but I believe Johnny has the potential to come up with a strategy like that.
Certainly not my intention. I'm merely trying to give my level of suspicion on you. I believe you're most likely town and I believe Moonstone is scum who's using something as ordinary as a wording mistake from a new player to condemn them.
This was in response to Karu's post above (the one I quoted). Not much to be said here except doing what anybody would and defending himself with fairly sound reasoning.
This doesn't sit right with me. It feels like you're trying to brush off the fact that you pushed for Doc's lynch by offering yourself to be investigated almost. You really had no reason to point out your own innocence after Doc's death since the suspicion on you wasn't that strong.
This was in response to Moonstone randomly saying that she looked more suspicious because of Doc's death but that she is town. It would be hypocritical of me to say anything about this post really since I said something similar in response to the same post.
I've been feeling the same way. I would be willing to put some pressure on him as insurance. In fact...
Vote: @Toxic_Snowman
Now this is where it gets interesting, because I pointed out earlier that it looked like Johnny was trying to avoid leading a lynch on a townie (Moonstone) since he knew it would put him under scrutiny. So what's the significance of his vote on Toxic? Well, he was the first one to vote for Toxic, which Moonstone soon followed him on. Well if he's suspicious of Moonstone, then why didn't he vote for her all this time? Well, I said above that I had a theory regarding his vote on Toxic, and it's simply that both of them are scum, and Johnny is trying to lead a lynch on a scumbud to give himself a bit of town cred. Toxic, being inactive, can't defend himself much, so it would be a pretty easy way to get Johnny some town points. This is also the first time he mentions being suspicious of Toxic, which lends itself to the theory that they're both scum.
On the other hand, I can also see Johnny being scum but Toxic being town. As an inactive, Toxic is a relatively safe lynch compared to Moonstone, who is extremely active, and it would therefore be much easier for Johnny to fight his way out of suspicion if Toxic was lynched and flipped town than if Moonstone was lynched and flipped town. Regardless of what the scenario is, I find it strange that Johnny didn't really mention being suspicious of Toxic before and then suddenly comes in and votes for him for pressure.
Basically, what I'm saying is that if Toxic is scum, then Johnny probably is too, but the reverse is not necessarily true.
Vote: Extension
I think that's been why there's been inactivity. I want to see some more responses before my vote is set in stone.
Not much to say about this. Could be either a town move, or a crafty mafia move.
But you did the same to me in the previous day during Twilight
@Moonstone .
Different scenario though. Moonstone has had many suspicions throughout this game, and can't seem to settle on just one. You, on the other hand, have been going after Moonstone since early on in Day 2 and it seems like she's been your main suspicion for a while, yet you refrain from voting.
This is the same reasoning for why I'm suspicious of Moonstone. She's incredibly affirmative in her innocence, almost suspiciously so. Repeating her innocence and saying stuff that sums up to "don't look at me" and deflecting off to others like she claims others are doing seems really scummy.
I'm gonna sit on this one for a bit. Not 100% sure on my vote.
Did you get what you needed out of your vote on Toxic? You seem unsure yet you keep your vote on him, when it's clear Moonstone is your biggest suspicion.
The more I think about it, I don't even recall who gave me the shield to begin with if it wasn't just kokirion doing the passing around!
Mafia don't get where I'm coming from and will keep trying to pin blame on me during the day.
