Nowhere in the OP does it say 'Make Zelda M rated'. What it is suggesting is to up on the sexuality of Zelda, meaning add kiss scenes or love scenes. Doesn't mean people need to be naked, simply means it needs to be more real or closer to human relations.
Sexuality in Zelda
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There should be a clear difference between 'love interest'/'romance' and 'sexuality'.
'love interest'/'romance' we will surely see in SS between Link and Zelda, which is fine. It can be an extra emotional motivator to save the princess and hate the antagonist if it is obvious that the hero on the screen is in love with the princess, since emotions are the main motivator to act (in psychology). The player can 'feel along with the hero' and feel that motivation too.
In OOT, when Zelda got kidnapped near the end of the game, it was more like 'oh ok, we were heading towards Ganons castle anyway, so okey'.
So, I would vote 'yes' for love interest, so that the player will feel more emotionally commited in the game.
'Sexuality' is another story. It really doesn't add anything to the game if, for example, Link and Zelda or Anju and Kafei shown to have sex. I think Nintendo realizes this and such sexual content will not be in a Zelda game.
'love interest'/'romance' we will surely see in SS between Link and Zelda, which is fine. It can be an extra emotional motivator to save the princess and hate the antagonist if it is obvious that the hero on the screen is in love with the princess, since emotions are the main motivator to act (in psychology). The player can 'feel along with the hero' and feel that motivation too.
In OOT, when Zelda got kidnapped near the end of the game, it was more like 'oh ok, we were heading towards Ganons castle anyway, so okey'.
So, I would vote 'yes' for love interest, so that the player will feel more emotionally commited in the game.
'Sexuality' is another story. It really doesn't add anything to the game if, for example, Link and Zelda or Anju and Kafei shown to have sex. I think Nintendo realizes this and such sexual content will not be in a Zelda game.
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Yes, but that's more along the lines of sensuality.
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You're a bit young, so I won't blame you for it, but I have seen a fair amount of underlying sexuality in many Zelda games, and certainly a few things some of the younger players might not catch (and shouldn't catch -- don't make me tell your parents what you're thinking about). Because Zelda is generally an E-T rated franchise, any sexuality has to be implemented in a subtle fashion, but that doesn't mean it's not there. It's certainly not as blatant as other video games, but granted, it isn't necessary for the game and its narrative. There doesn't need to be scantily-clad people to constitute anything sexual, as long as the intent of sexuality is there; and in many cases, it is. The language used by many of the characters hint at some mature themes, sexuality included; this is something that Zelda has been very successful with, in utilizing serious subject matter but boiling it down to references and light use rather than more obvious displays.
Of all the games, I feel this is particularly true in OoT. There are numerous references to sexual behaviour, but less of them than you would expect are coming from Link's romantic interests. There are some notable ones from Ruto and even Nabooru, but there are a number from Castle Town citizens, Gerudo guards, shopkeepers, and even a Goron. If it's sexuality for sexuality's sake, then Zelda is not the correct franchise; I don't see it as necessary. It could become workable with the advent of certain new characters, but as an overarching theme, sexuality mostly has its place in Zelda to be found in odd spots by older players with strange imaginations.
And I'm fine with that.
Of all the games, I feel this is particularly true in OoT. There are numerous references to sexual behaviour, but less of them than you would expect are coming from Link's romantic interests. There are some notable ones from Ruto and even Nabooru, but there are a number from Castle Town citizens, Gerudo guards, shopkeepers, and even a Goron. If it's sexuality for sexuality's sake, then Zelda is not the correct franchise; I don't see it as necessary. It could become workable with the advent of certain new characters, but as an overarching theme, sexuality mostly has its place in Zelda to be found in odd spots by older players with strange imaginations.
And I'm fine with that.
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A bit of "wink, wink, nudge, nudge" here and there would be fine. Open sexuality in a Zelda game will up the rating to the point where parents might not buy it. Zelda's biggest strength was the fact that almost anyone can enjoy it. The minority that is obsessed with Link's libretto can just read R-rated fanfics. Nintendo won't gain any more sales in games if Zelda flashes people, it would probably even hurt sales.
You're a bit young, so I won't blame you for it, but I have seen a fair amount of underlying sexuality in many Zelda games, and certainly a few things some of the younger players might not catch (and shouldn't catch -- don't make me tell your parents what you're thinking about). Because Zelda is generally an E-T rated franchise, any sexuality has to be implemented in a subtle fashion, but that doesn't mean it's not there. It's certainly not as blatant as other video games, but granted, it isn't necessary for the game and its narrative. There doesn't need to be scantily-clad people to constitute anything sexual, as long as the intent of sexuality is there; and in many cases, it is. The language used by many of the characters hint at some mature themes, sexuality included; this is something that Zelda has been very successful with, in utilizing serious subject matter but boiling it down to references and light use rather than more obvious displays.
Of all the games, I feel this is particularly true in OoT. There are numerous references to sexual behaviour, but less of them than you would expect are coming from Link's romantic interests. There are some notable ones from Ruto and even Nabooru, but there are a number from Castle Town citizens, Gerudo guards, shopkeepers, and even a Goron. If it's sexuality for sexuality's sake, then Zelda is not the correct franchise; I don't see it as necessary. It could become workable with the advent of certain new characters, but as an overarching theme, sexuality mostly has its place in Zelda to be found in odd spots by older players with strange imaginations.
And I'm fine with that.
Looking at any or all of the shows/movies/games I watched or played as a kid and a lot of them are rife with this kind of humor and innuendo. I swear I've been shocked re-watching some of those old shows and seeing how blatant it is that as a kid passed over my head (Johnny Bravo for example lol).
To be honest, I'd prefer that Nintendo sticks to what they've been doing, which means a little romance here and there is perfectly okay. I do enjoy a bit of romance, but nothing too extreme. A bit of flirting is okay to me, while kissing might even be taking it too far. My reason for that is just that is seems to detract from the game for me. I've always thought deeply about the stories in Zelda, stories and theories about the Gerudos; the history of Hyrule, the Triforce, and the Master Sword; and other things like that. I never want to really get into a love interest story in Zelda. It's fun and all to debate shipping characters in Zelda, but I wouldn't want to see that actually come to fruition. Call me old fashioned if you wish, but it only seems like it can detract from the game for me.
Now, if Nintendo did decide to add sexuality to Zelda (which I really would prefer they wouldn't go overboard with if at all. The world is way too over-sexualized as it is), it would have to be gradually so as to not shock the fanbase. Start out with a game or two that has a bit more romance than normal, then graduate to a bit more (kissing or whatnot), and then end up with sexuality, if that's the road they choose to take. If they suddenly introduced a lot sexuality in Zelda, I would think many Zelda fans would be shell-shocked. I know I would be. And seeing how Zelda games are targeted for ALL AGES, a sexual Zelda game would probably eliminate a good portion of the younger community. Adding to what DuckNoises said, there already are themes of sexuality in Zelda, but they're not always noticeable. They're generally accidental (or purposely-placed o_0) innuendos. i usually find these amusing, but I wouldn't want to see Nintendo make a habit of adding these, or for them to have the themes throughout the entire game.
All in all, I'd be very surprised if Nintendo actually went down this path. I wouldn't mind a bit of romance, in fact I might welcome it, but taking it too far just isn't necessary. I hope.
Now, if Nintendo did decide to add sexuality to Zelda (which I really would prefer they wouldn't go overboard with if at all. The world is way too over-sexualized as it is), it would have to be gradually so as to not shock the fanbase. Start out with a game or two that has a bit more romance than normal, then graduate to a bit more (kissing or whatnot), and then end up with sexuality, if that's the road they choose to take. If they suddenly introduced a lot sexuality in Zelda, I would think many Zelda fans would be shell-shocked. I know I would be. And seeing how Zelda games are targeted for ALL AGES, a sexual Zelda game would probably eliminate a good portion of the younger community. Adding to what DuckNoises said, there already are themes of sexuality in Zelda, but they're not always noticeable. They're generally accidental (or purposely-placed o_0) innuendos. i usually find these amusing, but I wouldn't want to see Nintendo make a habit of adding these, or for them to have the themes throughout the entire game.
All in all, I'd be very surprised if Nintendo actually went down this path. I wouldn't mind a bit of romance, in fact I might welcome it, but taking it too far just isn't necessary. I hope.
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I don't mind some sensual themes but the Great Fairys in Twilight Princess took it way too far. The first time my dad saw me playing TP was during the Cave of Ordeals and it was a little weird when he came in and Link is talking Link is talking to a girl without a top.
The Great Fairies in Ocarina of Time was also over the top, it was slightly disturbing as a little kid and a lady with Pink hair and a maniacal laugh and no close jumps out at you. The stuff like Telma's cleavage or Midna as an Imp without clothes don't bother me.
The Great Fairies in Ocarina of Time was also over the top, it was slightly disturbing as a little kid and a lady with Pink hair and a maniacal laugh and no close jumps out at you. The stuff like Telma's cleavage or Midna as an Imp without clothes don't bother me.
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In my opinion, the games are best as they are. There's already a ton of implied romance, and the wonderful thing about the series is that you can often read into a romance or a lack of romance yourself. It goes along with the "Link as a link between game and player" mindset that the protagonist was named for. I mean, look at all the love interests Link's had! You've got Zelda from pretty much every single game, Marin, Malon, Saria, Ruto, Nabooru, Navi, Ilia, Midna...and those are only the ones off the top of my head that are strongly implied. If you start looking into things, there are a multitude of characters you could imagine a romance working with. While there's never anything overtly explicit, it works better that way. You can read as much or as little into a relationship as you want, and you can also read as much or as little into Link's reciprocation. It's ambiguous, and it lets the player decide how much romance is in the series. One person may view Ilia as nothing more than Link's childhood friend, while Midna and Link are clearly made for each other. One person might interpret a much more romantic bond between Link and Ilia, and Midna? She's just a manipulative woman flirting with Link to attempt to get what she wants. Maybe Ilia's just a friend and Midna's just manipulative, or maybe Link's caught in a relationship between the two of them. All four of those options have strong arguments, and blatantly hooking Link up with one or the other would have probably upset a few fans. Even in Spirit Tracks, where there's really no romantic option other than Zelda, the relationship could be interpreted as either romantic or platonic. Link's Awakening, on the other hand, pretty much had Link/Marin canonically established, but that's the only one in the series.
The romance in Zelda is, for the most part, very innocent and pure. The romance between Anju and Kafei is possibly my favorite video game romance ever. There's some fanservice and a few suggestive lines, yes, but it's nothing that would, on its own, get the game a T rating. I personally think that the series is doing fine as it is.
The romance in Zelda is, for the most part, very innocent and pure. The romance between Anju and Kafei is possibly my favorite video game romance ever. There's some fanservice and a few suggestive lines, yes, but it's nothing that would, on its own, get the game a T rating. I personally think that the series is doing fine as it is.
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Why dont people just keep making Zelda porn and the actual Zelda games stay clean? That why all you need to do is keep children away from the internet, not the awesome Zelda games.