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i have never seen this **** happen anywhere in 7+ years of playing mafia so I'm going to take it with a grain of salt and move onAye, cult is extremely easy to make benign, as the only reason their win con is opposing the other alignments is because the mod says it is. Take that away and you just have an alignment seeking a goal that may or may not be opposed to other factions depending on how you word their win cons. Town is super easy because theirs is just "eliminate the threats". Don't consider cult a town threat and bam they have compatible win cons. Mafia tends to be a little trickier if you go with a majority win con for both as only one can have majority but if you simply remove living from the qualifications of eithers majority they become doubley achievable as well. Or if you give Mafia a threats like win con as well you can create a Mafia that has to eliminate all town but could care less about cult. You can also simply change the cult win con to something neutral like a survivor win con. We do weird stuff you should know this by now.
I've more experiences in NGA with cultable mafia than non-hostile cult so your reasoning here seems fairly nitpicked numbers
With a non-hostile cult I do think it's more likely that Mafia has to be uncultable because cult outing themselves is much less risky which means that one Mafia getting culted could easily just ends the game for scum. I don't agree that that makes you Mafia, but I definitely think that Numbers' reasoning does make some sense.I've more experiences in NGA with cultable mafia than non-hostile cult so your reasoning here seems fairly nitpicked numbers
I am not running on the assumption that ExLight is a standard 3p. This might not be a strong assumption, but it feels like something that could easily be the case.@DW, there is really only one standard 3p win con that would be expressly anti cult, being the SK, but nothing about that role screams can't be culted. Which is why it would be unlikely to be uncultable.
That's completely possible. I thought she mentioned those type roles in her backing post to Ex's soft but I was speaking strictly from day old memory there so idk.
I can sorta see where you're coming from with alana townlean, but why numbers? All they're really doing with that post is pointing out something the post you cited feels pretty obvious.
logic here checks out, but I don't understand why you're just dismissing the possibility that "ex is town with a role that alludes to there being a cult and he's warning everyone about it"I think it's unlikely Ex is 3p. His flow on the subject leans more to fext's assessment as I alluded to earlier with my "Ex is uncultable mafs" comment. The jist was that normally ex would sit back and let the world get culted for a mega happy everybody wins ending but for reasons that's not the route he's going this game. This is also a route Rag often takes so from a chaotic design standpoint stopping that is the play to make. The most logical and obvious conclusion is that Ex can't be culted so that path leads to loss for him. 3p are hardly going to be cult proof candidates. So that's why thats unlikely. You may have some town that get tagged as uncultable. Typically this falls into town power roles in role light games. Maybe a lyncher variant. And probably the decoder type roles Minish mentioned. So possibilities are slim but there. Typically, however, Mafia are auto immune to culting to keep the teams integrity intact. So the most likely option for an uncultable person here would be Mafia.
so are you trying to say that fext is cult leader lolAs all very much part of the larger circle. First we establish that Rag would have experience to draw upon with benign cults to have included one in the game. From there we establish the uncultable are likely Mafia. We then further establish the player with a low probability of experience with benign cults suggesting them is in fact cult leader.
So for those keeping track at home I've already nailed down two Mafia and the cult leader. This game is EZ.
i have never seen this **** happen anywhere in 7+ years of playing mafia so I'm going to take it with a grain of salt and move on
huh.I wouldn't be surprised. Half if not more of said cults are my own designs. The most recent was a broken hearts club that won by majority and removal of all promise breaking mechanics from the game (the game in question being Pinky Promise 2 which Fext and Ex were a part of that ended in simultaneous cult/town victory). So that's a few more grains to just be aware of while you're moving on.
in the NGA games I played culted mafia usually gets to choose with what faction they want to win so if one goes down they still have the otherWith a non-hostile cult I do think it's more likely that Mafia has to be uncultable because cult outing themselves is much less risky which means that one Mafia getting culted could easily just ends the game for scum. I don't agree that that makes you Mafia, but I definitely think that Numbers' reasoning does make some sense.
logic here checks out, but I don't understand why you're just dismissing the possibility that "ex is town with a role that alludes to there being a cult and he's warning everyone about it"
I mean, somewhat unrelated, but it certainly helps with the utility of my role if there is a cult in the game, so I was grateful to Ex for pointing that out, as that was a possibility I hadn't considered.
Thanks, buddy.first of many cursory pings
rubik is not in this game but i included him because he is my friend
This slot is definitely cult.Thanks, buddy.
Her post is far less aggressive than Ex's which would indicate to me shes probably definitely not on the same wave length as Ex. I would say it unpairs them as wolf-wolf unless they can't talk during the day and so she didn't have an opportunity to talk Ex out of trying to create a witch hunt. I think as scum Minish would be able to recognize the departure from standard behavior from Ex would generate some heat. I have no basis of information on how town!Minish is with the cult everybody notion and am only applying that philosophy on Ex because of his own self admission to it. So without that I can't really see the aggression as alignment telling for her in regards to actual cult threat but I do find it odd that she would confirm the cult but refrain from speaking on threat level in either direction.Numbers, what do you think of Minish's statement about her also confirming there to be a cult in comparison to Ex?