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Modern Movies Vs. Older Movies

athenian200

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What is it about the older movies that makes them better than the new ones? Is it nostalgia? The fact that only the best movies have survived the test of time?

Or do you disagree? Do you think that old movies are just junk from the past, and love the new ones? Is your attitude "Out with the old, in the with the new?" If so, why?

My personal opinion is that most modern movies don't quite measure up to the older ones, relying more on special effects and violence to impress than a good plot. Don't get me wrong, occasionally you might find a real gem among all the over-hyped movies... but for the most part, you're lucky to find one or two a year.
 

TheGreen

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I definitely see the value of old movies, but I think, in general, films have gotten better over time. Writer's are more talented, actors are more skilled, and the technology and photographic capabilities are greater than movies of old.
The fact that only the best movies have survived the test of time?

My personal opinion is that most modern movies don't quite measure up to the older ones, relying more on special effects and violence to impress than a good plot.

I will agree that that most contemporary movies aren't well done, or at least they really do focus on money. Star Wars movies are a prime example of that, but the great movies of yesteryear, in my opinion, are not as good as the great movies of this year.

Hold on, I'm going to go look up what films have won best picture. The two off the top of my head are The Departed and The Hurt Locker which are f**king awesome.

Okay looking at the list, the first movie I have seen is All Quiet On the Western Front which is brilliantly acted and the story is told well, but it's lacking a few things. Color, believability (for me anyway), but back then I'm sure that wasn't a distraction since no had color film and hadn't seen war up close and personal.

Casablaca in 1943 is also a really good story and the characters are some of the best written of all time, but I attribute it's success to it's ability to control the audience's emotions, a bastardized art which is exploited in every Nicholas Sparks movie, and I think that everything about this movie can be matched in some of the better chick-flicks that are around today.

More recently, Dances with Wolves. A really top notch story, but that doesn't make the movie; we've seen the story repeated and with equal success in Avatar and countless others, but since it's not new, it won't do as well as the original.

Newer movies include No Country for Old Men(I think they robbed There Will be Blood, A Beautiful Mind and Million Dollar Baby[b/]. All match in writing, acting and exceed substantially in photography. Also Inception is awesome and is crazy good in all aspects of film (except the post-coloring it's all orange and teal)

To close, the thing I think contemporary film has over old film is the audience. They can make more complex stories, with greater believability and more extreme emotional response.
 

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I definitely see the value of old movies, but I think, in general, films have gotten better over time. Writer's are more talented, actors are more skilled, and the technology and photographic capabilities are greater than movies of old.

I will agree that that most contemporary movies aren't well done, or at least they really do focus on money. Star Wars movies are a prime example of that, but the great movies of yesteryear, in my opinion, are not as good as the great movies of this year.

Hold on, I'm going to go look up what films have won best picture. The two off the top of my head are The Departed and The Hurt Locker which are f**king awesome.

Okay looking at the list, the first movie I have seen is All Quiet On the Western Front which is brilliantly acted and the story is told well, but it's lacking a few things. Color, believability (for me anyway), but back then I'm sure that wasn't a distraction since no had color film and hadn't seen war up close and personal.

Casablaca in 1943 is also a really good story and the characters are some of the best written of all time, but I attribute it's success to it's ability to control the audience's emotions, a bastardized art which is exploited in every Nicholas Sparks movie, and I think that everything about this movie can be matched in some of the better chick-flicks that are around today.

More recently, Dances with Wolves. A really top notch story, but that doesn't make the movie; we've seen the story repeated and with equal success in Avatar and countless others, but since it's not new, it won't do as well as the original.

Newer movies include No Country for Old Men(I think they robbed There Will be Blood, A Beautiful Mind and Million Dollar Baby[b/]. All match in writing, acting and exceed substantially in photography. Also Inception is awesome and is crazy good in all aspects of film (except the post-coloring it's all orange and teal)

To close, the thing I think contemporary film has over old film is the audience. They can make more complex stories, with greater believability and more extreme emotional response.


Well, I have to admit that I've never heard of any of the movies you just described, so I'll have to suspend judgment there.

It's true that they CAN make better movies, which is why it baffles me that they usually don't. When I go to the movies with people, the films I usually see are usually very shallow, and either center around violence, sexuality, stealth, or all three. They're not at all memorable, and I forget their names. The themes are quite repetitive. The thing I enjoyed about older movies was that they often had more themes... there were more often environmental hazards, or some kind of daunting goal that had to be achieved by various means that were not immediately obvious and had to be puzzled out.

I definitely agree that the technology is better. The video is higher quality than it's ever been, the special effects are more realistic than we ever thought possible, but it seems to be as though the quality of writing is a lot lower than it used to be. In other words, I'm disappointed because all the tools to create a good movie are there, but no one seems to be picking them up and doing so.

The most recent movie that I can recall liking, is A.I. That movie was perfect. It had a compelling storyline, good use of special effects, evoked your emotions, and made you think about conflicting ideas, rethinking your assumptions. That's what I would like to see more of in modern movies.
 

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You don't know any of those movies? o_O
I definitely agree that the technology is better. The video is higher quality than it's ever been, the special effects are more realistic than we ever thought possible, but it seems to be as though the quality of writing is a lot lower than it used to be. In other words, I'm disappointed because all the tools to create a good movie are there, but no one seems to be picking them up and doing so.

The most recent movie that I can recall liking, is A.I. That movie was perfect. It had a compelling storyline, good use of special effects, evoked your emotions, and made you think about conflicting ideas, rethinking your assumptions. That's what I would like to see more of in modern movies.

That's really what it's all about. The good movies are the ones that aren't after money/crowds. You reminded me of a movie called Moon which is amazingly brilliant and if you have Netflix you should go watch it right now! Your description of that movie fits Moon perfectly! XD
 

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That's really what it's all about. The good movies are the ones that aren't after money/crowds. You reminded me of a movie called Moon which is amazingly brilliant and if you have Netflix you should go watch it right now! Your description of that movie fits Moon perfectly! XD

You know, that could be why I haven't seen any good movies. I only seem to hear about the ones that are advertised frequently, at least when it comes to newer ones.

The good ones are all probably hiding out there on the fringes. I think I'll try watching Moon... although I don't have Netflix, so I'll need to rent or buy it.
 

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My personal opinion is that most modern movies don't quite measure up to the older ones, relying more on special effects and violence to impress than a good plot. Don't get me wrong, occasionally you might find a real gem among all the over-hyped movies... but for the most part, you're lucky to find one or two a year.
My thoughts exactly.

The nostalgia excuse is ruled out for me because I didn't watch a lot of movies as a kid. If you ask me the value of almost everything entertainment wise has plummeted. Cartoons and some movies rely on characters acting stupid rather than a good plot, animation is lost to live acting and computer generating, etc.
 
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Personally, I feel that actors of the 40's/50's were real actors. It's like you said - modern movies depend upon special effects and violence and all that. Sure, there are some good actors nowadays, but they just don't live up to the old classics.

I mean, look at Psycho. It's a "thriller." There's no gore, no visible display of violence, yet it's probably the creepiest movie I've ever seen. The infamous "shower scene?" You don't see the violence; it's implied. It left things to the imagination, so it's as creepy as your mind makes it to be.

That's the other thing. Movies these days are so explicit and it's so unnecessary. Do I need to watch someone being stabbed or having sex to know it's happening? Not at all. I like a movie that makes me think. No wonder our society is brain dead.
 

Hanyou

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What is it about the older movies that makes them better than the new ones? Is it nostalgia? The fact that only the best movies have survived the test of time?

Or do you disagree? Do you think that old movies are just junk from the past, and love the new ones? Is your attitude "Out with the old, in the with the new?" If so, why?

My personal opinion is that most modern movies don't quite measure up to the older ones, relying more on special effects and violence to impress than a good plot. Don't get me wrong, occasionally you might find a real gem among all the over-hyped movies... but for the most part, you're lucky to find one or two a year.

There were always movies that relied on special effects. Sometimes, they were spectacular (see the silent films The Cabinet of Dr. Caligari and Metropolis). Sometimes, they were popular and served as quality escapism or horror (Vertigo, The Exorcist). Most often, they were throwaway B-movies, a few of which we remember fondly because they were either wholly self-aware or unintentionally funny. There have always been effects-driven features, and the quality has always varied.

However, one thing I have noticed about older films is that it seems character-driven films were much more popular. Perhaps this is due in part to the limitations placed on special effects, but even the large-scale, big-budget summer blockbusters (Ben-Hur, for example), were saturated with a constantly-moving plot and constantly-growing characters. Perhaps this is simply because time has filtered out all the worthless pictures, but I think there's a bit more to it than that. As stop-motion, puppetry, and eventually CGI have gotten better, special effects have become a real selling point for almost any movie that aims to be successful. Thus, you get successful but stupid pictures like Transformers, a movie whose screenplay was so ****ty it would have been on the trash heap in the 50's. Also, as our society has liberalized, we've begun to take a much less mature view of sex and the newest actors often seem to lack even the class of Marylin Monroe. One needs to look no further than Meagan Fox, whose trashy look has for some reason made her quite popular. Sex was treated a bit more maturely in the 70's, when exploitation of sexuality was simply left to pornography, and more nuanced explorations of previously prohibited subject matter were frequent in the film industry. The 50's and 60's (and earlier) were pretty clean for the most part, which is a good thing. Mr. Smith Goes to Washington did not need a sex scene, whereas they have since become industry standard.

TheGreen has a valid point. I have seen many of those movies, and they're quite good. But I disagree with his assessment that acting, special effects, and writing have improved. In fact, I think special effects have seriously regressed, to the point that it is now quite easy to separate what is real from what is fake. I much prefer The Terminator's low-budget stop-motion to the rubbery, too-smooth CGI of modern-day flicks. Come to think of it, I also prefer Phantom of the Opera and Metropolis' sheer majesty. The original Star Wars trilogy paints far more believable landscapes than the cartoony prequels, though Lord of the Rings balances practical and computer generated effects well. While there are moments of grandeur, special effects are, for the most part, boring and predictable. This is not some bias against CGI--I still love the dinosaurs of Jurassic Park--but rather its rampant use and the impossibility of perfectly capturing real movement and weight with a computer. It should be used only when necessary.

As for acting and writing, they're different. Oftentimes it's more natural. But it no longer feels like as much of an art, and I miss, for example, James Stewart's enthusiasm and Charlton Heston's intimidating presence. Acting has gained some degree of believability, but it's lost its edge, and as a result films just don't feel quite as well-produced as a result. That's not to say older films lacked in believability, either; Patton, while perhaps not a perfect simulation, was utterly convincing with its stark environments and larger-than-life characters. As a biopic, I'd say it beats out pretty much any modern film. As a political thriller, the aforementioned Mr. Smith Goes to Washington still rings truer than anything that's come out in recent memory.

There are peaks and valleys in quality. People have always been hungry for special effects, but I do believe that material originally left to B-movies or pornography or silly exploitation films has leaked into the primary motion picture industry (a phenomenon only partially observable in the 70's) has at times left the story cold. The existence of quality movies in the present does not excuse these bad trends, or somehow mean we've advanced at all.

@TheGreen: Interestingly, Moon was something of an homage to 70's sci fi films. Watch Silent Running for an example of what I'm talking about.
 

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People have run out of GOOD ideas for movies, and people have much shorter attention spans. (Would you have sat through all of avatar if it weren't for all the action?) They do rely on special effects nowadays. Old movies are excellent- but cheesy because they didn't have the equipment we have now. So they are starting remakes (karate kid)... idk
 

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