Master Kokiri 9
The Dungeon Master
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Okay so before the forum wipe I had a thread for my new Timeline Theory but sadly it was erased so here it is again! My theory as a whole:
............/--WW/PH--ST--LoZ/AoL--OoX
MC--OoT
............\MM--TP--FS/FSA--ALttP/LA
Okay now comes the explanations to my placements. I'll go in this order: Neutral Timeline, Adult Timeline, Child Timeline. Also like the old thread, feel free to point out certain things and share with me some problems you find in my timeline.
............/--WW/PH--ST--LoZ/AoL--OoX
MC--OoT
............\MM--TP--FS/FSA--ALttP/LA
Okay now comes the explanations to my placements. I'll go in this order: Neutral Timeline, Adult Timeline, Child Timeline. Also like the old thread, feel free to point out certain things and share with me some problems you find in my timeline.
Neutral Timeline: Minish Cap
Okay so after reading Zemen125's post I have decided to contemplate the reason's people place MC first and found that it's actually pretty good. First of all there is the fact that in [url\http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sviQk3T1JYg]FSA's BS[/url] the narrator says Ages flowed by...
Ages as in multiple games? I say yes this could very well be. And also if you think about it Ganon/dorf was the biggest threat Hyrule has ever seen and yet MC in no way mentions him. Now it could be argued that he isn't mentioned because he isn't plot relevant but he'd at least have his own figurine. And also I doubt it was copyright issues that prevented Ganon/dorf from being there since Nintendo actually had a hand in making it (Eiji Aonuma and Shigeru Miyamoto if memory serves).
Ages as in multiple games? I say yes this could very well be. And also if you think about it Ganon/dorf was the biggest threat Hyrule has ever seen and yet MC in no way mentions him. Now it could be argued that he isn't mentioned because he isn't plot relevant but he'd at least have his own figurine. And also I doubt it was copyright issues that prevented Ganon/dorf from being there since Nintendo actually had a hand in making it (Eiji Aonuma and Shigeru Miyamoto if memory serves).
Neutral Timeline: Ocarina of Time
Back in the day (1998) Shigeru Miyamoto was interviewed on the timeline. He stated that OoT is first then LoZ and AoL then ALttP with LA going almost anywhere after OoT. Now this has changed since ten more games and counting were released in the Zelda franchise but the statement that OoT is first holds true to the present day. Not just because of his quote, no not at all, it is because of in game evidence. In OoT we have the origins of Ganondorf the Gerudo and Ganon the King of Evil. Obviously no game using either Ganon nor Ganondorf can go before OoT. In addition to this, somewhere around nine years before Young Link's portion of the OoT adventure began, Hyrule was separated and not yet united going through a bit of a uniting war. This screams the origins of the original Hyrule as a country, meaning no game in which the country of Hyrule exists can go before OoT. Thirdly almost every Zelda game makes a reference to OoT meaning it is very likely to be very early if not first on the Timeline. In addition to this the Triforce is in it's original place in it's unaltered form, meaning nobody has touched it before. The evidence that OoT goes first is staggering. Now as for the little split part of my timeline this has been confirmed by Nintendo to have been caused by the timetravel screwiness that is OoT. On one end you have Link defeating [urlhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbcmNoWBedE]Ganondorf and sealing him away in the Evil Realm as seen in the end of OoT[/url]. But wait what's [urlhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2Rix3ik0G4]this[/url]?! Instead of leaving Link in the future Zelda sends him back to his childhood to live the seven years of his life that he skipped! And on top of that as seen in the credits Link is seen talking to Zelda. Basically it is theorized that Link was telling Zelda of the danger of opening the Door of Time to the Sacred Realm and in order to prevent a paradox, the Zelda Universe split into two different universes. One refered to as the Child Timeline which is caused by Link telling Zelda of the consequences of opening the Door of Time and the Adult Timeline which is caused by Link's main adventure in OoT in which he defeats Ganondorf and he is sealed up.
Adult Timeline: Wind Waker
In the [url/http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ujEZQbBi2Yc]intro[\url] the Adult events of Ocarina of Time are explained which is an obvious indicator that Wind Waker is a sequel to OoT. Now however it is also said that Ganondorf breaks out between the two games and wreaks havoc. And due to Zelda's mistake of sending Link back in time at the end of OoT nobody was around to save them. So what happened? The Hylians appealed to the Gods to save them and the Gods told them to take refuge on the mountain tops, which they did. Then they flooded the world creating the overworld we know in WW as the Great Sea. Eiji Aonuma, Nintendo's resident timeline creator, has also confirmed that Wind Waker takes place hundreds of years after OoT on the Adult Timeline. Also due to the fact that no Link appeared to save Hyrule between the two games no other games can happen during this time period.
Adult Timeline: Phantom Hourglass
In the [url\http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=klTllvDMwiE]intro[/url] the events of WW are displayed and they explain why Link, Tetra, and her pirates are sailing together. It is also I believe, confirmed by Nintendo that PH takes place a few months after WW. No need for an arguement.
Adult Timeline: Spirit Tracks
Now comes Spirit Tracks. This one is confirmed by Nintendo to take place one hundred years after the events of Phantom Hourglass and really there is also a lot of in game evidence saying it does go where Nintendo says it does. First and foremost, in the cutscene where Zelda gives Link his Engineer's Certificate near the beginning of the game a stained glass window of Tetra from Phantom Hourglass can be clearly seen. This is just one of the dead give aways that ST goes a century after PH. In addition to this Niko is still alive, albeit old and shrively, and is obviously nearing the end of a very long life. This is another dead give away that ST goes where Nintendo says it goes. Further proving this, is that the Zelda of this game during the final battle with Malludus calls for Tetra's blessing in reentering her body. Even further backing this up is this (I quote exact dialougue for clarity)
Anjean: Yes I knew one of your ancestors. I met her when she had just arrived here. She and I were friends for a very long time. *laughs*
Zelda: My family first arrived here about a century ago.
The evidence of ST's placement is very staggering.
Anjean: Yes I knew one of your ancestors. I met her when she had just arrived here. She and I were friends for a very long time. *laughs*
Zelda: My family first arrived here about a century ago.
The evidence of ST's placement is very staggering.
Adult Timeline: Legend of Zelda
Okay so before you get all crazy about my placement for LoZ at least read it. Okay so if LoZ is an indirect sequel to ST then why aren't the Spirit Tracks or Tower of Spirits present is probably what you'll argue. And indeed it is a bit of a problem but... in the [url\http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4Z_M4kzcpY]ending cutscene[/url] Anjean states (and I quote for clarity again)
Anjean: You see as Lokomos... We weren't only meant to protect the Spirit Tracks.
This to me says that the Spirit Tracks disappearing can be a natural event rather than something caused by someone. After all the Tower of Spirits was pretty much abandoned at the end of Spirit Tracks by everyone, meaning it was allowed to decay and bye bye Spirit Tracks. Also Ganon could've easily escaped his statue prison from under the sea to wreak havoc. Also the Triforce could've easily found it's way to New Hyrule as well and remember the Master Sword wasn't a part of LoZ so there is no need to move it.
Anjean: You see as Lokomos... We weren't only meant to protect the Spirit Tracks.
This to me says that the Spirit Tracks disappearing can be a natural event rather than something caused by someone. After all the Tower of Spirits was pretty much abandoned at the end of Spirit Tracks by everyone, meaning it was allowed to decay and bye bye Spirit Tracks. Also Ganon could've easily escaped his statue prison from under the sea to wreak havoc. Also the Triforce could've easily found it's way to New Hyrule as well and remember the Master Sword wasn't a part of LoZ so there is no need to move it.
Adult Timeline: Adventure of Link
Okay so Adventure of Link is confirmed either by Nintendo or the manual to take place 'several seasons' after the events of LoZ which translates to a few years. However the sleeping Zelda issue and the Town Name thing is currently unsolved but oh well. I'm doing my best to piece together the timeline.
Adult Timeline: Oracles
So now come the Oracle games. Now the reason I group them together is because they could happen in just about any order. Basically in AoL part of the plot was that some of Ganon's minions still survived and were trying to kill Link so they could get his blood, sprinkle it on Ganon's ashes, and ultimately revive him. However this failed and then Twinrova stepped up to the plate with a new tactic: use Zelda as a sacrifice. However this too failed and ultimately Twinrova ended up sacrificing themselves to revive Ganon. This was successful and Ganon is partially revived but is basically a mindless beast that isn't at his full power (although still very powerful).
Child Timeline: Majora's Mask
Now we have Majora's Mask on the Child Timeline. Basically after being sent back in time by Zelda in OoT Link had gone to Zelda to tell her of the danger of opening the Door of Time. This lead to Ganondorf going on trial and being banished to the Twilight Realm which eventually lead to Twilight Princess. And what happened to Link after that you ask? Take a look at [url\http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2PsCgs8rVHE]this[/url]. (quotes for clarity)
Intro Narrator: A boy who, after battling evil and saving Hyrule, crept away from the land that had made him a legend... Done with the battles he once waged across time, he embarked on a journey. A secret and personal journey... A journey in search of a beloved and invalueable friend... A friend with whom he parted ways when he finally fulfilled his heroic destiny and took his place among legends...
This happens to be a dead giveaway that MM is a direct sequel to OoT on the Child Ending.
Intro Narrator: A boy who, after battling evil and saving Hyrule, crept away from the land that had made him a legend... Done with the battles he once waged across time, he embarked on a journey. A secret and personal journey... A journey in search of a beloved and invalueable friend... A friend with whom he parted ways when he finally fulfilled his heroic destiny and took his place among legends...
This happens to be a dead giveaway that MM is a direct sequel to OoT on the Child Ending.
Child Timeline: Twilight Princess
This game is confirmed by Nintendo to go hundreds of years after MM. While there isn't much evidence there are a few pieces of evidence I know of that confirms the placement. Firstly Hyrule isn't flooded meaning the Adult Timeline is out. Secondly Ganondorf was sentenced to death (but ultimately banished to the Twilight Realm as a last resort) as infered by the Child Ending of OoT and he comes back in this game. Thirdly the Master Sword is there which also means it can't go on the Adult Timeline. While it isn't very clear, TP goes on the Child Timeline hundreds of years after MM.
Child Timeline: Four Swords
Now comes FS, the second title of three, in the FSS. Using the process of elimination from [url\http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sviQk3T1JYg]FSA's BS[/url].
FSA Intro Narrator: Long ago, in the kingdom of Hyrule, a wind sorcerer named Vaati appeared. Vaati terrorized the the people of Hyrule and kidnapped many beautiful girls from their homes. When all hope seemed lost, a young boy carrying little more than a sword appeared. According to the legends when the young boy drew his sword, he split into four, the four-who-are-one worked together to vanquish Vaati. The hero used his sword to bind Vaati in a remote area of Hyrule. The people christened the blade the Four Sword and built a shrine around it. There it remained undisturbed for many years. Ages flowed by...
FSA Intro Narrator: Long ago, in the kingdom of Hyrule, a wind sorcerer named Vaati appeared. Vaati terrorized the the people of Hyrule and kidnapped many beautiful girls from their homes. When all hope seemed lost, a young boy carrying little more than a sword appeared. According to the legends when the young boy drew his sword, he split into four, the four-who-are-one worked together to vanquish Vaati. The hero used his sword to bind Vaati in a remote area of Hyrule. The people christened the blade the Four Sword and built a shrine around it. There it remained undisturbed for many years. Ages flowed by...
Let me just stop here for now and say, to those that don't understand, that this portion is the events of MC. Continuing on...
FSA Intro Narrator: The wind sorcerer Vaati broke free of his prison and kidnapped Zelda, the princess of Hyrule. Princess Zelda's childhood friend Link used the power of the Four Sword to defeat Vaati and seal him away once again. And, for a time, the people of Hyrule believed that their land was safe.
Okay so to sum it up FS and FSA are directly related, seeing as they know the name of the Hero in FS and not the name of the hero of MC. This means FS is a very indirect sequel to MC and FS is a direct prequel to FSA.
Child Timeline: Four Swords Adventures
Up to now my timeline has been relatively smooth (I think) with few bumps and inconsistencies but now comes something you probably are wondering about. Ganondorf. Well I can explain. While the original Ganondorf from TP is indeed dead it is entirely possibly that another gerudo named Ganondorf come along. Basically Ganondorf is an antichrist and in real life there can be multiple antichrists so why not multiple Ganons? Also Ganon's spirit was in the Trident of the Pyramid so when Ganondorf picked it up Ganon basically possessed him and Ganondorf became the blue pig beast we all know and hate. Then he was sealed in the Four Sword at the end of the game marking the end of the Four Sword Saga.
Child Timeline: A Link to the Past
Okay so now comes a classic: ALttP. Now I know what you're all thinking. You're wondering why I'm putting ALttP after FSA right? Well allow me to explain. Basically at the end of FSA Ganon was sealed up in the FS. After that I theorize that he came into possession of a Triforce piece (probably Power) and was freed. He then began to search for them and the Dark World spread. The seven sages along with many Hylian Knights, sealed Ganon away in the Dark World. Now Ganon continued to seek out the Triforce and eventually completed it. Then comes the events of ALttP.
Child Timeline: Link's Awakening
Okay so Link's Awakening can admittedly go almost anywhere on the timeline but it is most presumably a direct sequel to ALttP so I'm sticking with that for simplicity's sake.
Okay now I'm done with my timeline. Any comments you want to add? Well feel free to add them.
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