Mafia: Legacy 1

[Musicfan]

/me eats popcorn
BTW pepperoni and mushrooms do not mix. Pepperoni and green and red peppers mix. Then there's mushroom and onion that mixes

 

[Kybyrian]

What I don't understand about this, is you're trying to tell us that Atticus is pretty much screwed at the moment, because either we kill her or the Godfather (or SK or whoever) kills her at night. And as such, anyone that is mafia would immediately unvote and hold off to kill her at night, much less risk for them and they could lynch off another townie during the day. So, wouldn't I naturally be suspicious of anyone that unvotes her during the rest of the day - especially someone leading the unvote brigade? You?

As you have surely noticed, I did not vote for anyone else after unvoting her. I am unsure at this point whether I want a no lynch or not, but I am currently not voting as to avoid that situation.

If she's going to die tonight for sure with this, especially with this whole points stuff, why not use her to an advantage while we have her? Or do you side with the whole not taking chances on the first day group?

If we lynch her today, she has a very high chance of misfiring and killing a townie rather than scum.

And to even add to it, you then advocate the doctor (if there is one) not protecting Atticus (at which point we could even use her tomorrow and have a better chance at killing mafia), and protecting YOU instead. YOU, who to my memory are making this your first post in the thread, must be off the radar of most, even the mafia. I know you're an experienced player and I get that, but there are plenty of other experienced people here that probably need it more than you do.

You see, the reason I point out that the doctor should not protect Atticus comes from a series of thoughts, which I will arrange in number sequence.

In a typical mafia game:

1. Tell the doctor to protect an obvious townie
2. The mafia either...
2a. Avoid said townie and nightkill someone else (likely an experienced player such as you or myself)
2b. Strongman said townie (if a strongman is present)

The town is at a severe disadvantage in this turn of events. My logic was in an effort to keep this oh-so-common series of events from happening and attempting to the turn the tables of uncertainty towards the town.

By the way, I believe it was my third post in the thread. Or the second. I don't remember. You are reserved to your opinion regarding my ability and priorities, but it's been extremely common in past mafia games that the mafia would target me the very first night. I usually had protection.

Actually, that would sound like an excellent strategy if you were the godfather. Have the cop verify you (especially to those that forget the godfather turns up town), and get your own free protection to hide the fact that you're non-nightkillable. What better ways are there to go about this anyway? This seems pretty good.

But there is a hole in your logic. If I were the godfather, how would getting doctor protection hide the fact that I am non-nightkillable, when, in this turn of situations, I am anticipating protection from the godfather kill, and the vigilante has no reason attack me? No one willing to claim would try to nightkill me in the first place.

Plain bluffing? Is this opposed to "extravagant bluffing" or is like a pizza and you have to ask for toppings? What you like bluffing with a side of pepperoni and some mushrooms?

This really isn't helping. Your attitude doesn't point you out as scum, but points you out at the most detrimental player to the going-ons of the day period right now along with the chance that you could be scum. It's also only drawing other townies into the mood, making you especially hazardous for a productive day.

Wyatt, it's really hypocritical when I say this:

Why take the risk of lynching a townie when you can just have the cop investigate me? I'm aware the Godfather comes up innocent, but an innocent reading doesn't necessarily mean someone's the Godfather each and every time.

And you call me scummy, but then you turn around and do the same thing:

The difference between our requests is that mine follows a series of logical events. Exemplified thusly:

And to those of you who think I may be bluffing simply for doctor protection, then the cop could investigate me. I wouldn't need protection if I were godfather, so leaving out the rare possibility (both by chance of getting the role and Viral adding the role) of a goon role that lets me appear as town, you would confirm I'm not a goon looking for easy doctor protection. Naturally all in the same this could be a roundabout bluff, but there are a lot of better ways to go about this than trying to get into a long and complicated bluff if I were mafia. For safety's sake.

 

[Josh]

By the way, I believe it was my third post in the thread. Or the second. I don't remember. You are reserved to your opinion regarding my ability and priorities, but it's been extremely common in past mafia games that the mafia would target me the very first night. I usually had protection.

Yeah, I've been guilty of doing the same with you when I was godfather :\

But there is a hole in your logic. If I were the godfather, how would getting doctor protection hide the fact that I am non-nightkillable, when, in this turn of situations, I am anticipating protection from the godfather kill, and the vigilante has no reason attack me? No one willing to claim would try to nightkill me in the first place.

But you're assuming that a vig (or another killing role) would not attempt to kill you. There is no proof that you're town at the moment, and if I was vig and you seemed the most scummy, then I'd certainly try to kill you. But as seen in Scrubs mafia, one of the main points I put against Thareous was that he was bulletproof and non-nightkillable, and while it can be possible for a townie to be bulletproof, it is not as common as mafia. I was eventually proven right and Thareous was a bulletproof mafia. The vig never has a reason to not attack you, unless you are 100% proven town, don't ever assume otherwise.

You're a good player, and as such I've learned to never completely trust you.

 

[Yoda's LSD Dealer]

/me eats popcorn
BTW pepperoni and mushrooms do not mix. Pepperoni and green and red peppers mix. Then there's mushroom and onion that mixes

wow that's so hardcore

my name is PK Flash, and this is jackass!

 

[fused_shadows]

Considering that all the evidence we have right now is how people have voted, I've looked through the thread and noticed that one person is always on the wagon to lynch the person that is under the most pressure: musicfan. He was voting for Atticuz when she was being questioned for her aggressiveness/roleclaim, and now he's on my wagon, me being the person who has the most votes right now (I may add, he was also the latest person to join on the wagon). Jumping from wagon to wagon is very scummy.

Another thing I want to add is that after Johhny said this:

Now considering Atticus is probably some sort of bomb role, maybe we should save our votes for a different person who is equally scummy and then kill her at night so that we can keep as many town alive today. Or have a Vanilla offer themselves up for her hammer/last vote so that we don't loose a power role. Those are my two suggestions. I'm suspicious of her based on everything that's been posted so far, but I don't think we should jump her lynch until we have a plan formed of what to do.

(asking a VT to offer themselves as hammer)

musicfan said this:

I volunteer to hammer.

Softclaiming VT? Easy role for scum to claim.

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I'd be done with a musicfan lynch. He basically claimed VT; if he's telling the truth, and we lynch him, town only loses a VT, and not a power role. Thus, I think this is the best thing to do right now, as we have no one else that we have evidence against.

EBWODP

forgot to Vote: musicfan

 

[Kybyrian]

But you're assuming that a vig (or another killing role) would not attempt to kill you. There is no proof that you're town at the moment, and if I was vig and you seemed the most scummy, then I'd certainly try to kill you.

Yeah, I am assuming the vig would try to kill me. At this point I don't think they have any reason to take a chance in killing a veteran and experienced Mafia player night 1. I don't think I've thrown myself out there as scummy, and right now I think there are scummier priorities.

Pendio and M107 for instance. M107 I don't think is scummy per se, but I don't know his playstyle and I don't know his character, so neither can fit into my assessment. I just don't like the way he's playing. Pendio I only find scummy because of the way he latches onto things easily. He's easily swayed by others and latches on to their suspicions and assumptions right away, which can be either scummy or inexperienced. The reason I haven't voted on him yet is because in the past he's shown to always do this out of lack of being able to assess a better playstyle and general inexperience.

Softclaiming VT? Easy role for scum to claim.

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I'd be done with a musicfan lynch. He basically claimed VT; if he's telling the truth, and we lynch him, town only loses a VT, and not a power role. Thus, I think this is the best thing to do right now, as we have no one else that we have evidence against.

Right now, I see no reason to believe musicfan is scummy aside from what you said in the first half of your post. The thing is, though, musicfan has always done this and has a very inexperienced air to his tactics and posts, which does not lead me to believe that this is scummy. You can say that this entire game people have been jumping bandwagons. I am sure there are other examples of people who have done the exact same thing. The only difference is that he's on yours right now.

A townie is a townie, regardless of whether or not that person is a vanilla townie. I see no reason to think this person is a scum, and seeing as how there was a softclaim VT and it didn't seem out of the ordinary with nothing scummy to precede it, I don't think we have any reason to vote for him. I don't think taking the chance is a wise decision.

To this point I think you've conducted yourself well this game and I didn't support the bandwagon against you. However, if I am to take any of your posts as a scumtell, it's this one. This could be taken as a very simple scum move trying to off a VT as you are in the guise of a chance move. And on someone who is on your wagon, at that. Something you may fear. The easiest person against you to get rid of. To add something else, I think the way you're conducting yourself may be too cool. Townies don't take the fact that they're going to be lynched well. That said, neither do scum. Scum, however, reprimand their thoughts and force themselves to conduct themselves more calmly. I think this is a good example of this and it breaks the line of subtlety. I think you are our most likely candidate.

Vote: fused_shadows

 

[Musicfan]

Another thing I want to add is that after Johhny said this:



(asking a VT to offer themselves as hammer)

musicfan said this:



Softclaiming VT? Easy role for scum to claim.

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I'd be done with a musicfan lynch. He basically claimed VT; if he's telling the truth, and we lynch him, town only loses a VT, and not a power role. Thus, I think this is the best thing to do right now, as we have no one else that we have evidence against.

EBWODP

forgot to Vote: musicfan

I though atty was a a bomber. Atty said a couple of seconds before that she was vengeful and not a bomber. If so a mafia member though atty was a bomber why would they volunteer to hammer. If atty and I were both scum why would I not know what her fake clame was.

 

[Kybyrian]

ebwodp

I'm actually a bit confused myself. Why was there ever a bandwagon on Atticus? Why is there a bandwagon on fused? Did I miss something important?

Fused was the general RVS bandwagon. Atticus was a bandwagon manufactured by me (also RVS with slight influence by her posting) in order to force a scumtell or to observe a lack of one. My typical style, in other words.

 

[Musicfan]

I meen though she could have been a bomber

 

[fused_shadows]

Right now, I see no reason to believe musicfan is scummy aside from what you said in the first half of your post. The thing is, though, musicfan has always done this and has a very inexperienced air to his tactics and posts, which does not lead me to believe that this is scummy. You can say that this entire game people have been jumping bandwagons. I am sure there are other examples of people who have done the exact same thing. The only difference is that he's on yours right now.

A townie is a townie, regardless of whether or not that person is a vanilla townie. I see no reason to think this person is a scum, and seeing as how there was a softclaim VT and it didn't seem out of the ordinary with nothing scummy to precede it, I don't think we have any reason to vote for him. I don't think taking the chance is a wise decision.

To this point I think you've conducted yourself well this game and I didn't support the bandwagon against you. However, if I am to take any of your posts as a scumtell, it's this one. This could be taken as a very simple scum move trying to off a VT as you are in the guise of a chance move. And on someone who is on your wagon, at that. Something you may fear. The easiest person against you to get rid of. To add something else, I think the way you're conducting yourself may be too cool. Townies don't take the fact that they're going to be lynched well. That said, neither do scum. Scum, however, reprimand their thoughts and force themselves to conduct themselves more calmly. I think this is a good example of this and it breaks the line of subtlety. I think you are our most likely candidate.

Vote: fused_shadows

In response to the bolded statement: at this point, I don't think I will be lynched. 4 out of the 6 votes on me are RVS that have simply yet to be removed. That's why I'm too cool; I know that most of the votes on me are RVS. An interesting thing to add here would be that if I was super aggressive and going after all my voters, everyone would say I'm scum for overreacting. I have asked the people who are voting for me why they are; I haven't seen a response. I posted my suspicions, trying to help the town. It was a simple Day 1 hunch. No one had to follow up, and no one had to 100% agree. I just put out my suspicions and voted for the person I felt was most suspicious. Why does that make be the best lynch candidate?






inb4 everyone calls me scum for overreacting :/

 

[Ayn Stein]

If he's telling the truth, and we lynch him, town only loses a VT, and not a power role. Thus, I think this is the best thing to do right now

You're insisting on lynching, given the possibility that you may kill an innocent, and then shove it off by saying that he probably has no abilities so fu*k him anyways.

The only problem is that this narrows the pool for the mafia to pick from (if a townie is lost), and thus increases their chances of picking someone of a greater role. No?

Vote: fused_shadows

 

[Kybyrian]

I know that most of the votes on me are RVS.

And all the more reason to be upset. Over half of the RVS votes on day 1 never get removed. And RVS lynches are extremely common.

An interesting thing to add here would be that if I was super aggressive and going after all my voters, everyone would say I'm scum for overreacting.

Like Atticus? It doesn't change the fact that it's a town tendency. But your absolute disregard for it are part of the line I was talking about. [ilquote=fused_shadows]I think this is a good example of this and it breaks the line of subtlety.[/quote] Your particular actions and not just the fact that you aren't getting aggressive are what makes it suspicious. The concept of the actions themselves do not.

I just put out my suspicions and voted for the person I felt was most suspicious. Why does that make be the best lynch candidate?

It's easy to say that a single person is the most suspicious on your list, whether there is proper reasoning for it or not. As scum, I would say that it's pretty easy for you to say something like that, isn't it? It always is for scum. It's the #1 fallback. Plus there were the other observations I made about your vote in that post. M107 explains it in a similar elegant manner.

You're insisting on lynching, given the possibility that you may kill an innocent, and then shove it off by saying that he probably has no abilities so fu*k him anyways.

The only problem is that this narrows the pool for the mafia to pick from (if a townie is lost), and thus increases their chances of picking someone of a greater role. No?

 

[Johnny Sooshi]

Another thing I want to add is that after Johhny said this...

I'm not exactly sure what you were trying to get at by quoting me...could you explain please? Is it the fact that I made a suggestion of someone who's VT to offer themselves?

 

[Sydney]

Wyatt and Michael, what are your opinions on Pendio?

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I'd like to hear more from Heroine of Time.

 

[Ronin]

Fused's meta is quite similar to how he always plays, actually. He's always been mildly offensive when accused of something that isn't exactly true (i.e. stating that all the Wiki Scribes are scum ), so I'm not entirely inclined to disbelieve him just yet. However, the way that Kyby's pressuring him does bring out some notable change in style. And M107 makes a good point again that he's willing to take out someone else instead of him--which means three things concerning F_S:

1. He's simply trying to pass the blame to someone else to avoid a lynch
2. He has a power role and doesn't want to put Town at a disadvantage
3. He's scum and is trying to avoid detection

Now, in case #2 is the actual circumstance (Note: assuming he's Town, I advise Fused not to claim, because there's been quite a bit of softclaiming going around, mostly from Atticus being "Vengeful" and another really awesome dude.

You're insisting on lynching, given the possibility that you may kill an innocent, and then shove it off by saying that he probably has no abilities so **** him anyways.

The only problem is that this narrows the pool for the mafia to pick from (if a townie is lost), and thus increases their chances of picking someone of a greater role. No?

Vote: fused_shadows

Now this is how you attempt to be helpful to Town (or whatever your alignment is, under the pretense of Town, for example). :yes: